Hi Gus Many thanks for all the help You mention the register entry for additional info, presumably on a fiche in Coventry ? Nowhere online ? I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet don't know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry and she remarried in Coventry so "presumably" she only left to get married and Joseph was doing his thing wherever, obviously came back a few times - otherwise no kids. When I get the cert I'll know his age and profession and his fathers name and profession which makes it easier to search the BMD, IGI and various censuses online. Can't find Maria KEENE / ASTON anywhere after 1841 till she married my gr grandfather William EVERITT in 1860 in Coventry. Cheers for now Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? - but you'd need to look at the register entry for additional information. . > Maria could have been included as an ASTON by a confused enumerator! - you need to do a Full Trawl of the Complete GRO Deaths Indexes. > > The current failure to trace a death for Joseph BUTCHER doesn't > *necessarily* mean that he didn't die... > 1) he could be one of the 'far-flung' ones, and Rebecca returned "home" > with the children; > 2) he may have died or been killed "away from home" - deaths are > registered where they occur, NOT where the deceased normally resides; > 3) he may have been found guilty of a fairly serious offence, and > transported; or > 4) the couple may just have split up .... > HTH > > Gus

Hi Folks... I think I might have found Maria Keene in 1851....I hope this all makes sense....<vbg> Jonathan ASTON was living with his maternal grandfather, Jonathan KEENE in 1851... KEENE, Jonathan Neighbors 309316 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Jonathan KEENE Head W 67 M Cork Cutter Coventry---- Jonathan ASTON GSon - 18 M Watchmaker Coventry---- James FIELDING ... - 46 M Cork Cutter ----Ire Mary Russell DOUGLAS Hskp U 46 F --- Coventry---- Address: West Orchard, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry Holy Trinity Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2068 Folio: 40 Page: 27 FHL Film: 0087331 Jonathan KEENE & Mary HIAM at St. John Baptist, Coventry, on 14.10.1804 [IGI] can't confirm but it is almost certainly correct (see below for the Aston bps)... Jonathan KEENE & Mary presented for baptism at Holy Trinity, Coventry: 13.01.1806 Mary Ann 28.07.1807 Jane 18.01.1809 Eliza 21.02.1811 Jonathon 18.08.1812 Thomas Of these, Jane KEENE married Thomas ASTON at Holy Trinity, Coventry on 08.04.1828.. Banns 08.04.1828 Thomas ASTON, bac., otp. & Jane KEENE, spin., otp. Wits. Jonothan KEENE, junr., & Eliza KEENE Thomas ASTON & Jane had the following children baptised: 05.12.1828 Mary....at St. John Baptist, Coventry 21.06.1831 Catherine.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry 08.06.1833 Jonathan Keene ... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 01 09 1835 Jane... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 26.12.1837 William Samuel.... at St. Michael & All Angels, Coventry 04.11.1843 Eliza..... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 28.04.1840 Hannah ... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 18.10.1842 James Hiam Keene .. at Holy Trinity, Coventry 09.05.1846 James Neslin.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry Which basically tallies with the 1841 Census return for West Orchard 1153, 33, 21. Maybe with the changing of choice of church for baptism caused Maria to be missed out?? ... and it's not surprising that the Enumerator could get the names mixed up !! Also..... Eliza KEENE married Joseph PREEDY at Holy Trinity, Coventry, on 11.11.1833.... Banns 11.11.1833 Joseph PREEDY, bac. of St. John the Baptist & Eliza KEENE, spin. otp. Wits. Stephen STEANE & Jane FARREN (x). Maria's mother had died by 1851... ASTON, Thomas Neighbors 309444 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thomas ASTON Head W 55 M S Weaver Coventry-War Jane ASTON Daur U 16 F S Winder Coventry-War Samuel ASTON Son U 13 M Watch Maker Coventry-War Hannah ASTON Daur U 11 F House Servant Coventry-War Eliza ASTON Daur U 7 F --- Coventry-War James ASTON Son U 5 M --- Coventry-War Address: No 13 Malt House Yd Well St, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry Holy Trinity Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2068 Folio: 56 Page: 15 FHL Film: 0087331 In 1851..... Marian KEENE (sic) is listed with her maternal aunt..... PREEDY, Joseph Neighbors 308367 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Joseph PREEDY Head M 42 M Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War E. PREEDY Wife M 41 F Winder Coventry-War A. PREEDY Daur - 16 F Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War J. PREEDY Son - 15 M Watch Finisher Coventry-War D. PREEDY Son - 14 M Watch Jewiler Coventry-War M. PREEDY Daur - 13 F Silk Filler Coventry-War E. PREEDY Daur - 7 F Scholar Coventry-War C. PREEDY Daur - 6 F Scholar Coventry-War Marian KEENE Niec - 14 F Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War Address: Summerland Row, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry St Michael Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2067 Folio: 611 Page: 24 FHL Film: 0087330 Burials at Coventry Cemetery, London Road, Coventry... Square 120, grave 41; grave purchased by Thomas ASTON... includes the following persons: 24.09.1849 Jane Aston [42] Well Street, Holy Trinity 10.07.1859 Thomas Aston [54] Well Street, Holy Trinity 03.10.1872 Henry Arthur Bull [1] Spon Street, St. John 20.12.1871 Laura Elizabeth Clare [17m] Stoney Stanton Road, St. Mark 03.05.1891 Francis Cockerell [58] Harnall Lane, St. Mark 24.10.1872 Sarah Hutt [80] Spon Street, St. John Holy Trinity, Coventry.... Banns 23.09.1860 William Everitt, 27, bac., weaver of Upper Well Street, son of Joseph Everitt, weaver to Maria Keene (x), 24, spin. of Upper Well Street, dau. of Thomas Keene, bricklayer. Wits. James Holt & Jane Emmitt (or should that be Everitt??) Hope that makes sense !! Carole -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gareth Sent: 10 August 2007 18:27 To: Gus Tysoe Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? Hi Gus Many thanks for all the help You mention the register entry for additional info, presumably on a fiche in Coventry ? Nowhere online ? I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet don't know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry and she remarried in Coventry so "presumably" she only left to get married and Joseph was doing his thing wherever, obviously came back a few times - otherwise no kids. When I get the cert I'll know his age and profession and his fathers name and profession which makes it easier to search the BMD, IGI and various censuses online. Can't find Maria KEENE / ASTON anywhere after 1841 till she married my gr grandfather William EVERITT in 1860 in Coventry. Cheers for now Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? - but you'd need to look at the register entry for additional information. . > Maria could have been included as an ASTON by a confused enumerator! - you need to do a Full Trawl of the Complete GRO Deaths Indexes. > > The current failure to trace a death for Joseph BUTCHER doesn't > *necessarily* mean that he didn't die... > 1) he could be one of the 'far-flung' ones, and Rebecca returned "home" > with the children; > 2) he may have died or been killed "away from home" - deaths are > registered where they occur, NOT where the deceased normally resides; > 3) he may have been found guilty of a fairly serious offence, and > transported; or > 4) the couple may just have split up .... > HTH > > Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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--- Gareth <everitt@xs4all.nl> wrote: > I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet > don't > know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. > Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry > which makes it easier to search the BMD, Hi Gareth The marriage is on the Northants 1837-1860 Marriage Index disc. Joseph BUTCHER otp, (St. Giles Street), bachelor, of full age, clipper, father Phillip, groom Rebecca KEENE otp, (St. Giles Street), spinster, of full age, father Jonathan, cork cutter 1840 7-Dec at Northampton St Giles Perhaps the witnesses (when you get the certificate) will provide some more clues. Marilyn Details of various Northants indexes http://www.northants-familytree.net/ Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca