Gus: > Neither were (ever) Civil Parishes, and for that > reason have no Official ["Government"] status or existence. There was, of course, "Government" long before the comparatively recent creation of civil parishes. Cities, towns and boroughs have long had their own local government. Outside these, local government was the province of the manor and of the ecclesiastical parish. For centuries there was little distinction between church and state anyway! Best wishes Paul Prescott

Hi Paul, I fully agree with all you say - as a General Point - BUT... These two - specific - Ecclesiastical Parishes were created after 1900, by which time Church and State had become widely, if not totally, separated for administrative purposes at Parish level. 1911 was the last Census where any attention was paid to Ecclesiastical Parishes in the Census Reports - and then only by way of note. Of course they were of importance to the Church of England's Administration - but not of any real significance to National or Local Government. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> To: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk>; <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: Local Government Gus: > Neither were (ever) Civil Parishes, and for that > reason have no Official ["Government"] status or existence. There was, of course, "Government" long before the comparatively recent creation of civil parishes. Cities, towns and boroughs have long had their own local government. Outside these, local government was the province of the manor and of the ecclesiastical parish. For centuries there was little distinction between church and state anyway! Best wishes Paul Prescott