Hi everyone I am new to this list and wondered if anyone could come up with any suggestions for a dilemma. I have a John Froggatt on my tree, born in Birmingham in 1794. According to the igi I can find 3 children for him and his wife namely William born 1834. Elizabeth born 1833 and Edward born 1837. His wife is listed as Sarah, all children baptised at St Martins. I cannot find the family on any census except 1871 when John and Sarah are listed as living at 7 Engine Street, Birmingham. I cannot find any marriage listed on the igi that looks likely nor can I find the one child Edward born after Civil Registration on St Catherines Index. Can anyone please help. I am stuck Regards and thanks Diane Clark

The family are transcribed as Frogit, living in Eugene St. on the 3 County 1851 disk. Bill Burgoyne My website :- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~billburgoyne/ All outgoing mail checked by Norton 2006 anti-virus ----- Original Message ----- From: <NORMADIANE@aol.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:55 PM Subject: [WAR] Frustrated > > > Hi everyone > > I am new to this list and wondered if anyone could come up with any > suggestions for a dilemma. > > I have a John Froggatt on my tree, born in Birmingham in 1794. According > to > the igi I can find 3 children for him and his wife namely William born > 1834. > Elizabeth born 1833 and Edward born 1837. His wife is listed as Sarah, > all > children baptised at St Martins. > > I cannot find the family on any census except 1871 when John and Sarah > are > listed as living at 7 Engine Street, Birmingham. > I cannot find any marriage listed on the igi that looks likely nor can I > find the one child Edward born after Civil Registration on St Catherines > Index. > > Can anyone please help. I am stuck > > Regards and thanks > Diane Clark > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi folks and greetings from Kings Norton in the middle of summer where the sky is a nice shade of battleship grey. I suspect that most of us have been down the route highlighted by Diane and have used the techniques set out in various replies. So at the risk of teaching most of you how to suck eggs what can we glean from this. 1. The IGI is an index, riddled with mis-transcriptions, missing entries, missing parish registers and finally someone else's thoughts on where there ancestors should appear. 2. You cannot avoid looking at the original registers, which contain that element missing from the IGI - namely burials 3. Whilst we all will probably have a family missing from one census, the chances of them missing from a whole range is most unlikely. 4. The entries on the census returns or GRO indexes were the first transcription, this time of what the enumerator or registrar thought he heard, with little chance of it being corrected by an illiterate ancestor. 5. The indexes on Ancestry or other census look up sites are another persons attempt to decide what the trained spider that the enumerator used to crawl across the page was really trying to tell us. 6. Lateral thinking is essential - you might know the 21st century spelling of your name, or how it is pronounced, but put yourself in the place of the people who spoke the word, heard the word and wrote the word down 7. If you really cannot find them in the census indexes try using searches on forenames - long winded, but can be very worthwhile 8. If like me you have a fairly uncommon name, write down all the options you can think of, then add some more Lesson over, but no doubt others can add some other hard learned thoughts regards Alf FANTHAM Kings Norton NORMADIANE@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi everyone > > I am new to this list and wondered if anyone could come up with any > suggestions for a dilemma. > > I have a John Froggatt on my tree, born in Birmingham in 1794. According to > the igi I can find 3 children for him and his wife namely William born 1834. > Elizabeth born 1833 and Edward born 1837. His wife is listed as Sarah, all > children baptised at St Martins. > > I cannot find the family on any census except 1871 when John and Sarah are > listed as living at 7 Engine Street, Birmingham. > I cannot find any marriage listed on the igi that looks likely nor can I > find the one child Edward born after Civil Registration on St Catherines Index. > > Can anyone please help. I am stuck > > Regards and thanks > Diane Clark > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Diane, They are transcribed on Ancestry as Huggett on the 1841 census Still at Engine St John 50, lab Sarah 45 An 12 Catherine 10 Elizabeth 8 William 7 Edward 3 Zacariah 1 HO 107/ 1145/8 Kindest regards, Mary NORMADIANE@aol.com wrote: > > I have a John Froggatt on my tree, born in Birmingham in 1794. According to > the igi I can find 3 children for him and his wife namely William born 1834. > Elizabeth born 1833 and Edward born 1837. His wife is listed as Sarah, all > children baptised at St Martins. > > I cannot find the family on any census except 1871 when John and Sarah are > listed as living at 7 Engine Street, Birmingham. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes and as FROGGETT on the Warwickshire Ancestors Version, which can be assessed for free on www.hunimex.com/warwick There is a search engine provided for you - so not a lot of effort is required. Sometimes wonder why we bothered putting the 1841 and '91 online if no-one uses it anymore. Dont mention the 1861 - I am still trying to convince myself that I am not wasting my precious time plus that of the 50 volunteers still transcribing the remaining 33 pieces. snarl --------- Wendy Boland Co-ordinator Warwickshire 1841 1861 census and FreeREG Transcription Teams . They are transcribed on Ancestry as Huggett on the 1841 census Still at Engine St