Have you considered that Herbert may have been the illegitimate child of James ADAMS by another woman and registered in her name or the child of another member of his family that he had taken on - someone in the police force would have been better placed financially than an agricultural worker, for instance. Aston Magna is very close to Stretton. Do you know where James was in 1851? The fact that he declared himself a bachelor does not necessarily mean he was! At 32 he could well have been married or been living with several women before 1855 and who in Birmingham would have known? I have several examples where I know for sure the man was not telling the truth about his status. MAR in France. > Message du 13/03/10 04:19 > De : "Patricia A" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] ADAMS Family > > > Hi to the list, > > I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a mystery and finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to knock down this brick wall for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and would either like to solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > > Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. Martin, at 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed simple enough, but their marriage certificate shows that James and Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on the birth cert of further children) did not marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > > To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or baptism for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely not one of the Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both James & Mary Ann were recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of marriage. There is no birth registration under GROUMAN, which I checked in case he was Mary Ann's child born out of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace her on the 1851. I should mention also that there was a 5 year gap between Herbert's approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on 28 Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > > I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and Herbert's occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse Infirmary with a cause of death as cirrhosis of the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as 50 years. > > I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that if I looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might have overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or assistance would be so very much appreciated. > > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >