Hello Patricia, I'm not entirely sure if this will be of great assistance, but Stretton under Fosse and Aston Magna are in the administratively-tangled area where GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all used to meet and intermingle. Stretton under Fosse was the most southerly portion of an "island" of WAR that was sandwiched between 2 "islands" of WOR and a pair of "almost-islands" of GLS until as recently as 1931... In the Grand Reshuffling of County Boundaries at that time, Stretton under Fosse remained in WAR. Aston Magna was a hamlet within the [Civil] Parish of Blockley - SuF's southern "island neighbour" - which was in WOR to 1931, and thereafter in GLS. However, it was created as a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in 1847, so there's a faint possibility he may have been baptised there or in Blockley. Both places were in Shipston on Stour Registration District. One other question. Does their marriage certificate give their father's names and occupations? These just might help in tracing James and Mary Ann in earlier censuses. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:11 AM Subject: [WAR] ADAMS Family > Hi to the list, > > I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a mystery and > finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal great-grandfather, > Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to knock down this brick > wall for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and would either like to > solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > > Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. Martin, at > 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old born in > Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a > Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of > Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed simple enough, but their marriage > certificate shows that James and Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage > cert but Grouman on the birth cert of further children) did not marry > until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > > To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or baptism > for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely not one of the > Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both James & Mary Ann were > recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of marriage. There is no > birth registration under GROUMAN, which I checked in case he was Mary > Ann's child born out of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace her > on the 1851. I should mention also that there was a 5 year gap between > Herbert's approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with > James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on > 28 Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > > I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in > 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and Herbert's > occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death > certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse Infirmary with a cause of > death as cirrhosis of the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as > 50 years. > > I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that if I > looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might have > overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or assistance > would be so very much appreciated. > > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Guy, Thank you for your response and for the great information on SuF. Being an ex-Bristolian married to a someone from Redditch, I have visited that area often, but unfortunately at a time many years ago when we were still in the UK and family history was not a passion of mine! That being said, I had an idea that it was one of those places that "belonged" to a specific county depending on the time of the census, which does make things a little more convoluted, especially when researching out here and not being able to get to the register offices to check things out. On the marriage of James Adams and Mary Ann Grouman/Gromore, James at 26 was recorded as living on Tindal St. at the time of his marriage and was a police officer. His father was recorded as James Adams, farmer, which is stretching things a little as he was an agricultural labourer in SuF. I have that line going back quite some way as they were in the Honington, Stretton area for many years. Mary Ann was 24, living on Vyse St. and a servant. Father's name Nathan Gromore, Pawnbroker, who actually appears to be Nachum Grouman, travelling jeweller from Poland, who, on the 1851 census in lodging in Wedmore, Somerset, age 62 and recorded as single. His "wife" Mary GOURMAN on the 1851 for Dean Street, Birmingham, St. Martin, is recorded as "widow" from Shearston, Glos, and in lodgings with her youngest daughter, Elizabeth, born in Northleach. On the occasion of Elizabeth's marriage to John Bint in 1851, which is recorded on IGI, he is shown as John Grouman, bricklayer, a convenient coincidence to the fact that John's father, also John Bint is a bricklayer! However, the Grouman saga is another problem for another time. I think I should check out the baptisms for Blockley so can you please tell me what county it is in today? Thanks so muc, Patricia Almonte, ON Canada ________________________________ From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 10:28:33 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family Hello Patricia, I'm not entirely sure if this will be of great assistance, but Stretton under Fosse and Aston Magna are in the administratively-tangled area where GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all used to meet and intermingle. Stretton under Fosse was the most southerly portion of an "island" of WAR that was sandwiched between 2 "islands" of WOR and a pair of "almost-islands" of GLS until as recently as 1931... In the Grand Reshuffling of County Boundaries at that time, Stretton under Fosse remained in WAR. Aston Magna was a hamlet within the [Civil] Parish of Blockley - SuF's southern "island neighbour" - which was in WOR to 1931, and thereafter in GLS. However, it was created as a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in 1847, so there's a faint possibility he may have been baptised there or in Blockley. Both places were in Shipston on Stour Registration District. One other question. Does their marriage certificate give their father's names and occupations? These just might help in tracing James and Mary Ann in earlier censuses. Gus