Thanks for all the information Gus.     I think the  area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of Dorridge.  I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says "the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane and Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange Rds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood Common and Kingswood Common".    He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage shown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 lists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson.  It seems likely it was in roughly that area.      I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William Warner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed.  Are you familiar with the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be included? A million thanks, Ellen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]>  wrote: Hello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been abolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban District; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I don't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent than that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the same name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 1967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood Common. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s 1"; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name Packwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find Large Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here is that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and 1:2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to show the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or Dorridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 1840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's a 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers instead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe Apportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and identifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The catch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, and needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online Catalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying Plot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there named WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow the search down to a comparatively small area. Finally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a "Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than coincidence.... HTH Gus

To all who answered my e-mail and went out of their way to help, many thanks to you all, you've been wonderful. Best Regards, Ellen

Ellen Just to add the various spelling >> Pachwaud - Pacwode - Packewode, Paggewod or Pakkewode. The name comes from Paca's wood', ( H T H ( from Warwickshire Place Names ) betty oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks > To all who answered my e-mail and went out of their way to help, many > thanks to you all, you've been wonderful. > Best Regards, > Ellen > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/13/10 05:33:00

Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire. It was a long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards southeast of Packwood Towers). Windmill Lane, the modern road joining Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along it. The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html Matt Tompkins -----Original Message----- From: Ellen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks for all the information Gus. I think the area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of orridge. I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood ommon and Kingswood Common". He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson. It seems likely it was n roughly that area. I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed. Are you familiar ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be ncluded? million thanks, llen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> wrote: ello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name ackwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or orridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow he search down to a comparatively small area. inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than oincidence.... HTH Gus ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The map is fantastic!  Thank you so much for sharing it Matt. Ellen --- On Sat, 3/13/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:29 AM Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire.  It was a long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards southeast of Packwood Towers).  Windmill Lane, the modern road joining Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along it. The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html Matt Tompkins -----Original Message----- From: Ellen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks for all the information Gus.    I think the  area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of orridge.  I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood ommon and Kingswood Common".   He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson.  It seems likely it was n roughly that area.     I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed.  Are you familiar ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be ncluded? million thanks, llen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]>  wrote: ello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name ackwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or orridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow he search down to a comparatively small area. inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than oincidence.... HTH Gus       ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Matt... That's a *beautiful* Map - and should be better-known! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire. It was a > long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about > the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards > southeast of Packwood Towers). Windmill Lane, the modern road joining > Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run > along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along > it. > > The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on > the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap > sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap > view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. > > Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at > http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html > > Matt Tompkins > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > > Thanks for all the information Gus. > I think the area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of > orridge. I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he > says > the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill > Lane > nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and > Grange > ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood > ommon and Kingswood Common". > He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the > vicarage > hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of > 1841 > ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson. It seems likely > it was > n roughly that area. > I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William > arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed. Are you > familiar > ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be > ncluded? > million thanks, > llen > --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe > <[email protected]> wrote: > ello Ellen, > Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been > bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban > istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I > on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent > han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. > Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the > ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in > 967. > So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood > ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s > "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name > > ackwood Common :-( > Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find > arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here > s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and > :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to > how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or > orridge. > Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made > around > 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but > there's > 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers > nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe > pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and > dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The > atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical > order, > nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < > ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online > atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. > Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with > quite-widely-varying > lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there > amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to > narrow > he search down to a comparatively small area. > > inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a > Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than > oincidence.... > HTH > Gus > > > > ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message