Dear All I have restarted my research of the above, having been away from it for a good 12 months. I have found invaluable information on the 1911 census, eg. my mother's favorite Uncle (paternal) couldn't read and write, ie. signed his name with an "x", and saw the signature of my maternal grand mother, Ellen Louisa EDDEN nee SKUCE. I knew she could read and write well, as I not only remember her very well, but I know she left school at 14 and went into service at The George Hotel in Brailes. I've also done further research with all the census back to 1841, but hit another stumbling block with my brick walls ie. the 1841 census' which would give me most information, wouldn't you just know it - I can't positively find them! My brick walls are: My 2 x great grandfather, John EDDEN, c. 05 12 1819 in Brailes, married Elizabeth DAVIS of Crimscote on 06 06 1843, and,His brother (well I assume he is his brother, as on the LDF records, both parents are listed as the same),James EDDEN c. 30 11 1823 Brailes, married Harriet WEBSTER on 12 12 1842, and their parents:James and Mary EDDEN (again, from the LDS records). Here are my worries about John and James being brothers. According to the Brailes school registers: John EDDEN, date of birth 1820, admitted 31 05 1825, Lower Brailes, parent Mary EDDEN, last attended May 1830, gone to labour, poor widow.James EDDEN, date of birth 1823, admitted 14 12 1819, Lower Brailes, parent Mary MARSHALL, (no date last attended),father dead, gone Apprentice to Warwick. Therefore, we know that their father James EDDEN, (circa 1794 or thereabouts possibly), was dead by May 1830. It's always niggled me why parent listed when they left school is Mary EDDEN for John but Mary MARSHALL for James. Are they different mothers, or was MARSHALL her maiden name, or was Mary MARSHALL an Aunt or other family member. I can find no marriage record for James EDDEN and a Mary at all. The 2 different surnames for the mother further worries me that James and John aren't brothers. John and Elizabeth EDDEN appear on the 1851 census with 3 children, census address Epwell, Oxon, birth place, Brailes, Warks, occupation Ag Lab. (Ag Lab fits in with most of my EDDENs). James and Harriet EDDEN appear on the 1851 census with 9 children, census address 161 Holbourne Street, Shipston on Stour, birth place, Brailes, occupation Tailor. (Tailor doesn't, but, it does make sense from the school registers "gone Apprentice to Warwick" that he would end up with a proper trade, eg. Tailor.) Because James EDDEN senior was dead by 1830, there's no chance of finding him on any census, so I searched for Mary EDDEN or MARSHALL on the 1841, however, I have no idea of her date of birth, I am presuming born round about 1794 using the old maxim they usually married at about 25, however, this isn't necessarily so. I can not find her on the 1841 or 1851, so perhaps she was dead too. If anyone can offer me any advice as to a possible way forward, I would very much appreciate any help. Kind regardsLynne Scaife, in sunny Tenerife. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Hello Lynne, According to Hugh Wallis's IGI site (all extracted records so are more liable to be correct), there are 3 baptisms to James & Mary EDDEN at Brailes: 5 December 1819 John EDDEN 4 November 1821 Elizabeth EDDEN 30 November 1823 James EDDEN The best way to confirm whether they are brothers would be to buy both James & John's marriage certificates and see if the father's name & occupation is the same on both. John's marriage was registered at Shipston on Stour reg district in the June qtr 1843, vol 11, page 475 and James EDEN's marriage registration was at Shipston in the December qtr 1842, vol 11, page 486 - note the difference in spelling when ordering. The EDDEN/EDENs certainly seem to go a long way back in Brailes and there is a James baptised on 14 March 1787 at Brailes, parents John EDEN & Hannah who could be your James snr. I think you may find that James snr died prior to 1826, as there is an extracted marriage record on Hugh Wallis's site of a Mary EDEN to a Joseph MARSHALL on 5 June 1826 at Brailes which probably explains why you cannot find Mary under the surname of EDDEN (or variants) in the 1841 census. If Mary EDDEN was left with 3 young children to bring up, it is quite likely that she would have remarried fairly soon after the death of her first husband. This looks as if it could be Mary & Joseph MARSHALL in the 1841 census of Brailes: HO107/1131/3, folio 20, page 1 Warrin House Joseph MARSHALL 35 Ag Lab Mary do 45 Thomas do 12 Hannah do 10 Mary do 7 All born in the county except Mary. Mary looks as if sahe was born c1795 in Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire according to the 1851 census of Brailes and she is still alive living in Brailes in 1871 census. And lo and behold on the Phillimores Marriage Index of Chipping Campden is the following: 17 September 1818 at Chipping Campden by Banns James EDEN of Brailes, Warwickshire & Mary HEWINGS Add to that an extracted LDS baptism at Chipping Campden on 4 May 1794 of a Mary HEWINS, parents John & Elizabeth which fits in very well with Mary MARSHALL's birth date on the 1851 census. HTH Janet Subject: [WAR] Reintroducing my interests, EDDEN/SKUCE Brailes > It's always niggled me why parent listed when they left school is Mary > EDDEN for John but Mary MARSHALL for James. Are they different mothers, > or was MARSHALL her maiden name, or was Mary MARSHALL an Aunt or other > family member. I can find no marriage record for James EDDEN and a Mary > at all. The 2 different surnames for the mother further worries me that > James and John aren't brothers.

Hello Janet Well well, wonders never cease. Thank you so much for your reply and help. Yes, I've just found Joseph and Mary MARSHALL on the 1841 census as you said, I never thought to search for MARSHALL. They say 2 heads are better than 1! I'll take your advise about ordering the marriage certificates, thanks for all the reference numbers.I've never ordered one before though, can any one tell me where I get them from please? You've put everything into perspective for me in less than 24 hours - I've been working on this one (on and off) for about 2 years. Thanks again and regards. Lynne Scaife > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:09:52 +0100 > Subject: Re: [WAR] Reintroducing my interests, EDDEN/SKUCE Brailes > > Hello Lynne, > > According to Hugh Wallis's IGI site (all extracted records so are more > liable to be correct), there are 3 baptisms to James & Mary EDDEN at > Brailes: > > 5 December 1819 John EDDEN > 4 November 1821 Elizabeth EDDEN > 30 November 1823 James EDDEN > > The best way to confirm whether they are brothers would be to buy both James > & John's marriage certificates and see if the father's name & occupation is > the same on both. John's marriage was registered at Shipston on Stour reg > district in the June qtr 1843, vol 11, page 475 and James EDEN's marriage > registration was at Shipston in the December qtr 1842, vol 11, page 486 - > note the difference in spelling when ordering. > > The EDDEN/EDENs certainly seem to go a long way back in Brailes and there is > a James baptised on 14 March 1787 at Brailes, parents John EDEN & Hannah who > could be your James snr. > > I think you may find that James snr died prior to 1826, as there is an > extracted marriage record on Hugh Wallis's site of a Mary EDEN to a Joseph > MARSHALL on 5 June 1826 at Brailes which probably explains why you cannot > find Mary under the surname of EDDEN (or variants) in the 1841 census. If > Mary EDDEN was left with 3 young children to bring up, it is quite likely > that she would have remarried fairly soon after the death of her first > husband. This looks as if it could be Mary & Joseph MARSHALL in the 1841 > census of Brailes: > > HO107/1131/3, folio 20, page 1 > Warrin House > > Joseph MARSHALL 35 Ag Lab > Mary do 45 > Thomas do 12 > Hannah do 10 > Mary do 7 > > All born in the county except Mary. > > Mary looks as if sahe was born c1795 in Chipping Campden, Gloucestershire > according to the 1851 census of Brailes and she is still alive living in > Brailes in 1871 census. And lo and behold on the Phillimores Marriage Index > of Chipping Campden is the following: > > 17 September 1818 at Chipping Campden by Banns James EDEN of Brailes, > Warwickshire & Mary HEWINGS > > Add to that an extracted LDS baptism at Chipping Campden on 4 May 1794 of a > Mary HEWINS, parents John & Elizabeth which fits in very well with Mary > MARSHALL's birth date on the 1851 census. > > HTH > > Janet > > > > > > > Subject: [WAR] Reintroducing my interests, EDDEN/SKUCE Brailes > > > > It's always niggled me why parent listed when they left school is Mary > > EDDEN for John but Mary MARSHALL for James. Are they different mothers, > > or was MARSHALL her maiden name, or was Mary MARSHALL an Aunt or other > > family member. I can find no marriage record for James EDDEN and a Mary > > at all. The 2 different surnames for the mother further worries me that > > James and John aren't brothers. > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Glad to be of help, Lynne. As quite a few of my father's line hailed from Gloucestershire and Campden in particular, I have quite a few parish register & Phillimore's CDs which does help in the research - vbg!! You can order certificates online at www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ giving the details I found for you. Unfortunately, I believe the price has just increased to £9.25 for each certificate. Let me know if I can be any further help. Janet > I'll take your advise about ordering the marriage certificates, thanks for > all the reference numbers.I've never ordered one before though, can any > one tell me where I get them from please?