Many thanks, Gus. Unfortunately, neither of the addresses generate the hospital census entries, so it looks as though progress will have to wait until I can get to Birmingham. Mind you, the time certainly hasn't been wasted as I've learned something of the mental health provision at the turn of C19 & C20. Probably the most striking was seeing that children as young as 1 year were listed as patients. In fact,of the 91 14 yrs and under patients, 57 were 6 years old or younger. On the credit side, there seemed to be separate provision for the children as there are two Medical Superintendents and separate staffs but one can't help wondering how many of the young residents in 1911 left other than to be buried. Best wishes Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > Hello Charles, > > Rubery Hill Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Rednal] had the > postal > address of Cock Hill Lane, Rednal. > > Hollymore Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Northfield] 1905-1994 > was > in Tessall Lane, Northfield. > > AFAIK, both were in Kings Norton Registration District. > > HTH > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> > To: "Warwick List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:00 PM > Subject: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > > >> Following the very useful advice from Mar I found and accessed the 1911 >> census return from the City/All Saints Asylum. As Mar had suggested, the >> patients (the adults, anyway) were recorded only by initial. >> Unfortunately, >> there was no sign of my grandmother. However, I've discovered from >> internet >> searches there were several annexes to the hospital (Glenthorne, >> Leveretts >> and Stechford Hall - though the latter only came into operation 1912). >> I've >> also discovered that Rubery Hill and Hollymore Asylums/Hospitals might be >> possible locations. It may be that these were recorded separately in the >> census, so my next task will be to find out their addresses. >> >> Any help Listers can give will be much appreciated. >> >> Charles >> [email protected] >> >> >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello again Charles, The trouble here is - as of course you know - that these are "Institutions", and don't really fit the 1911's standard transcription and indexing method :-( I'm by no means skilled in the use of the 1911 - hoping that [perhaps] in another 4 or 5 years the prices may come down, or another supplier will include them - and so I've never attempted any sort of 'deep searching'. All I wanted - and got - was the bulk of the TYSO[E]s, and then left it. What I don't know is if it's possible to get to any sort of 'contents' pages for each Registration District, and thought that at least establishing those might help to move you forward a shade... I was very surprised by the numbers of young children you found - but I imagine they'd likely be Downs Syndrome or other 'Extreme Needs' patients, rather than [say] children of inmates. 'Having an illegitimate child' was still considered a "legitimate cause" for certifying until at least the start of the last war - I met a few of the unfortunate Releasees when the WOR County Asylum was closed in the 1990s and they were thrown into the scant mercies of "Care in the Community", but as far as I ever found out their babies weren't put inside with the mothers. *NOT* a pleasant topic.... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > Many thanks, Gus. > > Unfortunately, neither of the addresses generate the hospital census > entries, so it looks as though progress will have to wait until I can get > to > Birmingham. Mind you, the time certainly hasn't been wasted as I've > learned > something of the mental health provision at the turn of C19 & C20. > Probably > the most striking was seeing that children as young as 1 year were listed > as > patients. In fact,of the 91 14 yrs and under patients, 57 were 6 years old > or younger. On the credit side, there seemed to be separate provision for > the children as there are two Medical Superintendents and separate staffs > but one can't help wondering how many of the young residents in 1911 left > other than to be buried. > > Best wishes > > Charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > > >> Hello Charles, >> >> Rubery Hill Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Rednal] had the >> postal >> address of Cock Hill Lane, Rednal. >> >> Hollymore Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Northfield] 1905-1994 >> was >> in Tessall Lane, Northfield. >> >> AFAIK, both were in Kings Norton Registration District. >> >> HTH >> >> Gus >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> >> To: "Warwick List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:00 PM >> Subject: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) >> >> >>> Following the very useful advice from Mar I found and accessed the 1911 >>> census return from the City/All Saints Asylum. As Mar had suggested, the >>> patients (the adults, anyway) were recorded only by initial. >>> Unfortunately, >>> there was no sign of my grandmother. However, I've discovered from >>> internet >>> searches there were several annexes to the hospital (Glenthorne, >>> Leveretts >>> and Stechford Hall - though the latter only came into operation 1912). >>> I've >>> also discovered that Rubery Hill and Hollymore Asylums/Hospitals might >>> be >>> possible locations. It may be that these were recorded separately in the >>> census, so my next task will be to find out their addresses. >>> >>> Any help Listers can give will be much appreciated. >>> >>> Charles >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> List archives are at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with you Charles I have done quite a lot of work for various people and it is so sad to see what people were for - today they would be treated so differently. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > Many thanks, Gus. > > Unfortunately, neither of the addresses generate the hospital census > entries, so it looks as though progress will have to wait until I can get > to > Birmingham. Mind you, the time certainly hasn't been wasted as I've > learned > something of the mental health provision at the turn of C19 & C20. > Probably > the most striking was seeing that children as young as 1 year were listed > as > patients. In fact,of the 91 14 yrs and under patients, 57 were 6 years old > or younger. On the credit side, there seemed to be separate provision for > the children as there are two Medical Superintendents and separate staffs > but one can't help wondering how many of the young residents in 1911 left > other than to be buried. > > Best wishes > > Charles > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) > > >> Hello Charles, >> >> Rubery Hill Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Rednal] had the >> postal >> address of Cock Hill Lane, Rednal. >> >> Hollymore Hospital [aka Birmingham Borough Asylum, Northfield] 1905-1994 >> was >> in Tessall Lane, Northfield. >> >> AFAIK, both were in Kings Norton Registration District. >> >> HTH >> >> Gus >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> >> To: "Warwick List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:00 PM >> Subject: [WAR] Addresses of Asylums in Birmingham (was City Asylum) >> >> >>> Following the very useful advice from Mar I found and accessed the 1911 >>> census return from the City/All Saints Asylum. As Mar had suggested, the >>> patients (the adults, anyway) were recorded only by initial. >>> Unfortunately, >>> there was no sign of my grandmother. However, I've discovered from >>> internet >>> searches there were several annexes to the hospital (Glenthorne, >>> Leveretts >>> and Stechford Hall - though the latter only came into operation 1912). >>> I've >>> also discovered that Rubery Hill and Hollymore Asylums/Hospitals might >>> be >>> possible locations. It may be that these were recorded separately in the >>> census, so my next task will be to find out their addresses. >>> >>> Any help Listers can give will be much appreciated. >>> >>> Charles >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> List archives are at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >