Hi Mimi Non Gen - more social history but hope Peter won't mind. Dredging through my memory banks The Bar and Ragged Staff - not certain who wrote it or how old it is but it was a song sung by scouts in Warwickshire (my Dad was the Scout master so we went camping for our holidaysand I learnt lots of campfire songs ) It is a reference to the Bear and Ragged staff on the arms of the Earl of Warwick The Warwickshire Song (Tune Villikins & his Dinah) A young earl of Warwick, one Atholl by name, Did need him a sign for to bring him some fame, His name meant a bear so a bear he did choose, And that's how the bear first came into the news. Chorus Rye toodle rye toodle rye toodle rye aye We'll show you our badge if you come down our way It's only a bear standing up by a tree, But it's story was told in 900ad Morvidus the earl who came after that chap, Uprooted an oak and with lions did scrap, He slew them and cut it to pieces of chaf, And that's how the bear got his rugged old staff, Chorus Dont ask me to sing it but I did hear the tune on a web site ages ago that listed words and music of folk songs. Try http://web.ukonline.co.uk/martin.nail/regional.htm#EastMid for more leads. Also try a google search for "Warwickshire Folk songs" "Summer is a cumen in" etc but not specific to Warwickshire. There is the Coventry Carol - sung in a minor key- very old I have vague recollections of more but not sure of the words now but I think there is a book you might be able to get hold of. Wendy Could someone please help in finding information about folk somgs in Warwickshire in the 1800s? I am looking for fiddle music and sung music. Many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City

The most obvious source is to go to the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library [VWML] site of the English Folk Dance and Song Society [EFSDS] at http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/home.cgi Click on Search Indexes then Folk Song Indexes then Cross Search. Enter Warwickshire as the search term and search. You will have a listing of over 300 songs collected in Warwickshire [not the music or words - but you can then search elsewhere for those]. I hope this helps. John Frearson Past Bagman, The Morris Ring

Dear Wendy, and Dear Warwickshire List Members: Heartfelt thanks to Wendy. My PHILLIPS ancestors were from Warwickshire, and they went to Virginia in the late 1600s and early 1700s. In Kentucky my cousins sang and played guitar, banjo, hand drum, and even a clapper and a comb wrapped in paper. They all worked for the Kentucky state government, but in their free time, they played the old songs. Again, my thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City ----- Original Message ----- From: "WABoland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Folk Music > Hi Mimi > > Non Gen - more social history but hope Peter won't mind. > > Dredging through my memory banks > The Bar and Ragged Staff - > > not certain who wrote it or how old it is but it was > a song sung by scouts in Warwickshire (my Dad was the Scout master so we > went camping for our holidaysand I learnt lots of campfire songs ) > > It is a reference to the Bear and Ragged staff on the arms of the Earl of > Warwick > > The Warwickshire Song > (Tune Villikins & his Dinah) > > A young earl of Warwick, one Atholl by name, > Did need him a sign for to bring him some fame, > His name meant a bear so a bear he did choose, > And that's how the bear first came into the news. > > Chorus > Rye toodle rye toodle rye toodle rye aye > We'll show you our badge if you come down our way > It's only a bear standing up by a tree, > But it's story was told in 900ad > > Morvidus the earl who came after that chap, > Uprooted an oak and with lions did scrap, > He slew them and cut it to pieces of chaf, > And that's how the bear got his rugged old staff, > > Chorus > > Dont ask me to sing it but I did hear the tune on a web site ages ago > that listed words and music of folk songs. > > Try > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/martin.nail/regional.htm#EastMid > > for more leads. > > Also try a google search for > "Warwickshire Folk songs" > > "Summer is a cumen in" etc but not specific to Warwickshire. > > There is the Coventry Carol - sung in a minor key- very old > > I have vague recollections of more but not sure of the words now but I > think there is a book you might be able to get hold of. > > Wendy > > > > Could someone please help in finding information about folk somgs in > Warwickshire in the 1800s? I am looking for fiddle music and sung music. > Many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >