Ellen Kate m A corbett Ethel W m William R. Murcott Mabel m a Fields And I don't know about as we called her, baby Jessie b 1895 Their brother was Stanley Lawrence b abt 1885 There was an older sister Lillian A b 1888 that followed her older brother Frederick Lawrence Moss to Massachusetts, USA  I knew aunt Lil and her family.  Frederick was my grandfather. He was b in Canning Town and the rest were born Leamington. Any info on the above would be gratefully appreciated. Dot in NH

Hi Dot, From the 1891 census for the UK Living at 6 Holly St east,Leamington All named Moss ??Kolita aged 43 blacksmith b East Ham Ellen E aged 35 b Poplar,London Frederick L aged 15 stationers assistant b Canning Town Stanley L aged 5 b Leamington Lilian A aged 3 Ellen K aged 1 Mabel W under 1 month On the 1881 Frederick is living the household of his grandfather Henry Moss aged 53 in East Ham. Hope this is what you are looking for. Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Ellen Kate m A corbett Ethel W m William R. Murcott Mabel m a Fields And I don't know about as we called her, baby Jessie b 1895 Their brother was Stanley Lawrence b abt 1885 There was an older sister Lillian A b 1888 that followed her older brother Frederick Lawrence Moss to Massachusetts, USA I knew aunt Lil and her family. Frederick was my grandfather. He was b in Canning Town and the rest were born Leamington. Any info on the above would be gratefully appreciated. Dot in NH List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dot, Judging from your enquiry - and Gilly's reply - it would seem that you have little more than the 1891 Census Entry and "family information" to work on so far. Have you tried using the General Register Office Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths to trace the family members? These can be searched for free at < http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ >. A mild word of warning here - the Places named in the indexes are 'Registration Districts' which don't necessarily match those of the places where the events occurred. For example Leamington was in Warwick District and Canning Town in West Ham. Having found Frederick's birth you can use the reference to purchase a copy of his birth certificate - can be done online with most credit cards at < http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ > which will give his mother's maiden name and other quite useful bits of information - hopefully including his father's true forename. I'd add to Gilly's posting that the 1881 entry doesn't merely include Fred and his grandfather, but also his parents, grandmother, several uncles, and an aunt. 2 other comments... The baby in 1891 evidently wasn't Mabel W, but was more likely unregistered at the time - and became Ethel W - for Mabel wasn't born for around another couple of years. "Something" evidently occurred in the lateish 1890s, for in 1901 Kate, 11; Ethel, 10; and Mabel, 8 were all in the Warwick Union Workhouse as "paupers", while Lily, 13, was a living-in servant in Leamington. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Ellen Kate m A corbett Ethel W m William R. Murcott Mabel m a Fields And I don't know about as we called her, baby Jessie b 1895 Their brother was Stanley Lawrence b abt 1885 There was an older sister Lillian A b 1888 that followed her older brother Frederick Lawrence Moss to Massachusetts, USA I knew aunt Lil and her family. Frederick was my grandfather. He was b in Canning Town and the rest were born Leamington. Any info on the above would be gratefully appreciated. Dot in NH

Thank you Gus,  I do have so much info on the families from my grandfather Frederick L. Moss b in Canning.  Ya see I am almost 80 so I did know him.  also his son, my uncle Fred, jr did genealogy and even so far as go to England to search.  I went to his home and had pictures of so many and so much info on the Lawrence side and I found from some of the letters my grandfather had recieve after he joined the merchant navy and jumped ship in Nova Scotia, from his grandmother with whom he did live with.  But my uncle thought that was his mother's writing, but old Kilita had drown her before the letters came.  I have the inquiry/court report that was in the  Leamington Courier and boy what a liar and drunk he was.  those were my grandfather's words.  the old man used to beat on them all including his wife and that is why my grandfather left home and the girls put into the workhouse, Stanley out on his own and baby Jessie was put with relatives and the Hannon's as we have no Hannon's on either side of the family and none born in Scotland. Thank you. Dot Storm coming in!!! again 3rd time today. ________________________________ From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 2:54:56 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Hi Dot, Judging from your enquiry - and Gilly's reply - it would seem that you have little more than the 1891 Census Entry and "family information" to work on so far. Have you tried using the General Register Office Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths to trace the family members? These can be searched for free at < http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ >. A mild word of warning here - the Places named in the indexes are 'Registration Districts' which don't necessarily match those of the places where the events occurred. For example Leamington was in Warwick District and Canning Town in West Ham. Having found Frederick's birth you can use the reference to purchase a copy of his birth certificate - can be done online with most credit cards at < http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ > which will give his mother's maiden name and other quite useful bits of information - hopefully including his father's true forename. I'd add to Gilly's posting that the 1881 entry doesn't merely include Fred and his grandfather, but also his parents, grandmother, several uncles, and an aunt. 2 other comments...     The baby in 1891 evidently wasn't Mabel W, but was more likely unregistered at the time - and became Ethel W - for Mabel wasn't born for around another couple of years.     "Something" evidently occurred in the lateish 1890s, for in 1901 Kate, 11; Ethel, 10; and Mabel, 8 were all in the Warwick Union Workhouse as "paupers", while Lily, 13, was a living-in servant in Leamington. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Ellen Kate m A corbett Ethel W m William R. Murcott Mabel m a Fields And I don't know about as we called her, baby Jessie b 1895 Their brother was Stanley Lawrence b abt 1885 There was an older sister Lillian A b 1888 that followed her older brother Frederick Lawrence Moss to Massachusetts, USA I knew aunt Lil and her family. Frederick was my grandfather. He was b in Canning Town and the rest were born Leamington. Any info on the above would be gratefully appreciated. Dot in NH List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my earlier posting, I've done a little rootling for Baby Jessie and her whereabouts in 1901. There were 5 births of "Jessie MOSS" registered in Warwickshire in the 1891-1901: 1892 Dec Q - Birmingham 6d 29 [Jessie Emily] 1895 Jun Q - Warwick 6d 627 [Jessie Florence] 1897 Mar Q - Birmingham 6d 170 ) 1898 Jun Q - Birmingham 6d 98 ) [all as Jessie] 1899 Dec Q - Aston -6d 461 ) Only Jessie Florence would fit a birthplace in Leamington - she would seem to be the right one, but the certificate would be needed to confirm her parents. I don't believe that the HANNON Grand-daughter is likely to be her, as her grandparents would seem to be MOSS or LAWRENCE. Furthermore, her age is understated, and her birthplace incorrect - although those frequently occur in Censuses. However... The 1901 lists 3 Jessie MOSSes born 1891-1901 residing in WAR: The 4-year-old grand-daughter - born Birmingham A 2-year-old, with parents John & Charlotte - born Birmingham A 1-year-old, with parents Andrew & Mary Jane - born Sutton Coldfield [which was in Aston District] These seem to match far better the 3 youngest of the births listed above. Furthermore, the 1901 also lists - as an "Inmate" of a Home run by the NSPCC in Essex - a 5-year-old Jessie MOSS of "unknown" birthplace. [She was one of 19 girls aged 5-14, and 10 boys 5-10]. RG13/1724/21/19 - Church Street, Great Coggeshall. This would seem to fit not-too-badly with the reported sighting of her "in London" by her brother Stanley, but of course can't be certain unless the NSPCC still hold her details and is willing to release them to a relative. Gus

I bet that could be my Jessie in the home in 1901 in Essex as that is where her grandparents lived.  Henry and Kitty Moss. We are almost certain it would have to be a relative and also her older brother did live with them til he went into the merchant navy. I should also check  and see if she could be with her Uncles in Essex, James, Henry,Frederick, John or Edward. Thank you so much for all of your help.  I really do appreciate it. Dot ________________________________ From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 10:03:39 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Further to my earlier posting, I've done a little rootling for Baby Jessie and her whereabouts in 1901. There were 5 births of "Jessie MOSS" registered in Warwickshire in the 1891-1901:   1892 Dec Q - Birmingham 6d 29 [Jessie Emily]   1895 Jun Q - Warwick 6d 627 [Jessie Florence]   1897 Mar Q - Birmingham 6d 170  )   1898 Jun Q - Birmingham 6d 98    ) [all as Jessie]   1899 Dec Q - Aston -6d 461        ) Only Jessie Florence would fit a birthplace in Leamington - she would seem to be the right one, but the certificate would be needed to confirm her parents. I don't believe that the HANNON Grand-daughter is likely to be her, as her grandparents would seem to be MOSS or LAWRENCE. Furthermore, her age is understated, and her birthplace incorrect - although those frequently occur in Censuses. However... The 1901 lists 3 Jessie MOSSes born 1891-1901 residing in WAR:   The 4-year-old grand-daughter - born Birmingham   A 2-year-old, with parents John & Charlotte - born Birmingham   A 1-year-old, with parents Andrew & Mary Jane - born Sutton Coldfield [which was in Aston District] These seem to match far better the 3 youngest of the births listed above. Furthermore, the 1901 also lists - as an "Inmate" of a Home run by the NSPCC in Essex - a 5-year-old Jessie MOSS of "unknown" birthplace. [She was one of 19 girls aged 5-14, and 10 boys 5-10]. RG13/1724/21/19 - Church Street, Great Coggeshall. This would seem to fit not-too-badly with the reported sighting of her "in London" by her brother Stanley, but of course can't be certain unless the NSPCC still hold her details and is willing to release them to a relative. Gus List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message