Hi Peter I have come across several instances of ancestors being married by licence rather than banns, and none of my family were wealthy. The best you could describe them as would be tradesmen, and even then, that is later on in the nineteenth century. Gus Tysoe found one for me at Worcester Records Office (my chap married for the second time at Rowington, but normally lived at Budbrooke), and as far as I can tell, this particular line of the family were only ag labs. Certainly his descendants were living in some very primitive cottages in Kenilworth at the beginning of the nineteenth century. You should check out the marriage records - you may be surprised. Also, saw you comment about missing baptisms in Great Alne. Is it possible the family moved away for a while? For that period, I would examine land tax records as well as other surviving documentation in the parish chest, such as we discussed earlier. Did the family flirt with non-conformism? Maybe a change of Anglican priest led the family to change allegiance if they stayed in the parish. Or if they moved, have you cast your net wider, looking at contiguous parishes for possible sightings? The ancestors may not have moved about that much, but we shouldn't view them as being totally static. I have other rural ancestors from the Devon/Somerset boundary area, and they seem to move about three miles one way or five miles another. One family live in one parish, but still have family at the old one, and key events such as baptisms and burials take place in the old parish, probably because it is technically nearer due to the geography and location of the parish church. Hope that gives folks some ideas - thinking outside the box so to speak. Regards Ellen Spence ________________________________ From: Peter J Richardson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 6 June, 2010 11:17:22 Subject: Re: [WAR] What records are available in Warwickshire Hello Ellen, Thanks for the suggestions. Picking up on the point about marriage licences and bonds, I know that Lichfield Record Office have the originals for the part of Warwickshire which was in Lichfield diocese. I would guess that the first port of call for the rest of the county is probably Worcester but I don't know that any of my known ancestors in that part of Warwickshire had the wealth to raise the bond so it is not something that I have investigated for myself. Regards Peter List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FOR ELLEN SPENCE: Many thanks for help given in the past. I've probably bothered you with my SPENCER query before. But could you please help again?: My research: any SPENCER families living in Coventry between 1785 and 1795. My ancestor, Thomas SPENCER, was born in Coventry on November 10, 1792. Again, my thanks, Mary Jane Phillips (Professional mane, Mary Jane Phillips-Matz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELLEN SPENCE" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] What records are available in Warwickshire > Hi Peter > > > I have come across several instances of ancestors being married by licence > rather than banns, and none of my family were wealthy. The best you could > describe them as would be tradesmen, and even then, that is later on in > the nineteenth century. > Gus Tysoe found one for me at Worcester Records Office (my chap married > for the second time at Rowington, but normally lived at Budbrooke), and as > far as I can tell, this particular line of the family were only ag labs. > Certainly his descendants were living in some very primitive cottages in > Kenilworth at the beginning of the nineteenth century. > > You should check out the marriage records - you may be surprised. > > Also, saw you comment about missing baptisms in Great Alne. > Is it possible the family moved away for a while? For that period, I would > examine land tax records as well as other surviving documentation in the > parish chest, such as we discussed earlier. Did the family flirt with > non-conformism? Maybe a change of Anglican priest led the family to change > allegiance if they stayed in the parish. Or if they moved, have you cast > your net wider, looking at contiguous parishes for possible sightings? > The ancestors may not have moved about that much, but we shouldn't view > them as being totally static. I have other rural ancestors from the > Devon/Somerset boundary area, and they seem to move about three miles one > way or five miles another. One family live in one parish, but still have > family at the old one, and key events such as baptisms and burials take > place in the old parish, probably because it is technically nearer due to > the geography and location of the parish church. > > Hope that gives folks some ideas - thinking outside the box so to speak. > > Regards > > Ellen Spence > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Peter J Richardson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 6 June, 2010 11:17:22 > Subject: Re: [WAR] What records are available in Warwickshire > > Hello Ellen, > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > Picking up on the point about marriage licences and bonds, I know that > Lichfield Record Office have the originals for the part of Warwickshire > which was in Lichfield diocese. I would guess that the first port of call > for the rest of the county is probably Worcester but I don't know that any > of my known ancestors in that part of Warwickshire had the wealth to raise > the bond so it is not something that I have investigated for myself. > > Regards > Peter > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I have a query that has stumped all that have been searching for the following for many years..... We have been searching for Michael Lalor & his son Walter. In 1841 we found Michael Lalor ,policeman Wappenbury,born Ireland 1820ish,then we found a Francis,inspector of police in Bedworth born 1810 Ireland,after searching for his record at Warwickshire Records office as we managed to find both their police details or part of their records & no one has come across this not even at the Records Office,i must admit they were very good & really helped us. If anyone can help further please do as i have tried nearly all police archives i can think of. I did manage to get into Northern Ireland police archives website but when they want £25 a search it's a bit hefty to pay,so i have enquired first & will then send them the £25 on Michael first. He is father to Walter's,Michael's 2nd son to two different mothers in less than 2 years apart. One said she was his wife Eliza Nee Simmons,however there is no marriage & she was living in the back to back houses St James's place Aston,when she gave birth to Walter Lalor in 1843,there is no nothing on Walter until he joins the Navy on board HMS Cornwallis 1859,then not on the 1861 census,however there is a Walter with Ann Lalor leaving of the USA in 1861,did he go visit his father before he married in 1863? Walter did not name is father as Michael,but John....Why....Is it because we found this...... On Michael & then also Francis???? Michael Lalor: date joined Police force:13/6/1840 as a P.C. Warrant no: 47 resigned 28/3/1842. By whom ordered: J.W.Burke Esq.,Carrakoel,Loughsea,Hyacinth Clarke Esq.,Carraroe Lodge & several other Clergy & gentry in Ireland. Francis Lalor: date joined Police force 19/3/1840 as a P.C. became Police inspector 4/1/1841 Warrant no; 35 Resigned 14/6/1841 By whom ordered: Inspector Rowan Esq.,R. Grimshaw Esq.,Justice if the Peace County Antrim & several other justices in Ireland. After seeing why they were forced to resign,it does seem likely Michael went to Essex to join the force,as there is a record of a Michael,however he can't be in 2 places at once ,or did he return to Warwickshire to collect his pay,as he finished in Warwickshire in April 1842,as he did signed for his last weeks wage,or someone else forged it ? Perhaps the news caught up with him in Essex as he resigned in August 1842,as for Francis,there is nothing more,i am waiting to hear back from Essex on him. We have searched everywhere for them....Does anyone know where i can now searc for this account? Thanks Kaz.