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    1. Re: [WAR] St. Nicholas and St. Mary
    2. ramaix
    3. The websites of St Mary, St Nicholas & St Paul Warwick all have sections on their history. http://www.stmaryswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stnicholaswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stpaulswarwick.co.uk Having visited it several times, I think St Mary's is without doubt one of the most impressive gothic parish churches in England. The rich patronage of the Earls of Warwick helped, of course! Definitely a "must see" if you are in the area. The very high tower can be seen for miles around and the view from the top of the tower is pretty impressive too. St Nicholas is not so grand, but the parish also has a long history. Both have large churchyards with many graves. St Paul's is a much more modest church. The parish was carved out of St Mary's in Victorian times in what was a poorer part of the town beyond the West Gate. At the other end of the town (Emscote) the Victorian church of All Saints, which was demolished in the 1960s, has been replaced by a modern building. When searching for your ancestors It's worth remembing that even small towns may have had several parishes, especially in Victorian times when population growth, rural exodus, and church-going were at their peak. MAR in France. > Message du 15/10/12 18:29 > De : "Carol Kennedy" > A : warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] St. Nicholas and St. Mary > > Hello everyone, > > When I read St. Nicholas, Warwick, Warwickshire; I think of Kenilworth, > Warwickshire. > > When I see St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire: I don't think of any place. > > Where are these places please!!! > Kind Regards > Carol Kennedy > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/15/2012 08:06:52
    1. [WAR] Now WAR parishes generally
    2. Jacqui Simkins
    3. Hello everyone Unfortunately, there are very few maps available that show the boundaries of the ancient ecclesiastical parishes (as opposed to civil ones) and how they split over time. For those who do not know a particular area, it is very difficult to work out the churches and area each covered. A place is not necessarily a religious parish - it can be a village or less within a parish; a town may not have been a religious parish in its own name throughout time. Some maps of "parishes" turn out to be a mishmash of ecclesiastical and civil parishes - Oldbury in north Warwickshire appears as a parish on some maps, it was NEVER an ecclesiastical parish. Modern mapping of church parishes can also be most unhelpful to those delving into the past - boundaries have changed over time. For those with connections in North Warwickshire, see www.nnwfhs.org.uk and particularly their booklet "Baptism, Marriage & Burial Records: What is Where for the North Warwickshire Church of England Parishes". In this booklet there is an outline map of the parishes (including detached chunks that can cause all sorts of problems to researchers), details of how each split - particularly to cope with Victorian "expansion" - and when any closed. The booklet also lists the extant registers and bishop's transcripts for each and where they are held. This is far more detailed than such as Phillimore's Atlas and Index as it includes what is known to be missing from the registers/BTs, plus the dedication of the church - a great aid especially if you've had a hand-copied GRO marriage certificate which is incorrectly completed (as one presented at a Help Desk not so long ago which proclaimed St Edith's, Atherstone...instead of St Editha's, Polesworth ... in the Atherstone registration district). Shame there aren't similarly affordable practical booklets for other areas... There is an old book, which was produced at one time as facsimile on CD, "Studies in Church Dedications of England's Patron Saints" by Arnold-Forster. It can help sort out all the St Mary's, and so on. In WAR we are plagued by places sharing both a name and church dedication...Exhall and Atherstone come to mind. Jacqui The websites of St Mary, St Nicholas & St Paul Warwick all have sections on their history. http://www.stmaryswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stnicholaswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stpaulswarwick.co.uk Having visited it several times, I think St Mary's is without doubt one of the most impressive gothic parish churches in England. The rich patronage of the Earls of Warwick helped, of course! Definitely a "must see" if you are in the area. The very high tower can be seen for miles around and the view from the top of the tower is pretty impressive too. St Nicholas is not so grand, but the parish also has a long history. Both have large churchyards with many graves. St Paul's is a much more modest church. The parish was carved out of St Mary's in Victorian times in what was a poorer part of the town beyond the West Gate. At the other end of the town (Emscote) the Victorian church of All Saints, which was demolished in the 1960s, has been replaced by a modern building. When searching for your ancestors It's worth remembing that even small towns may have had several parishes, especially in Victorian times when population growth, rural exodus, and church-going were at their peak. MAR in France. > > Hello everyone, > > When I read St. Nicholas, Warwick, Warwickshire; I think of Kenilworth, > Warwickshire. > > When I see St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire: I don't think of any place. > > Where are these places please!!! > Kind Regards > Carol Kennedy > >

    10/16/2012 03:25:13
    1. Re: [WAR] Now WAR parishes generally
    2. Helen Verrall
    3. Jacqui and other friends on the List There is another book which details Parish Boundaries, " Tracing your Ancestors in Warwickshire ( excluding Birmingham )" Besides being available in Book form, from BSMGH, IBSN 1 870331 90 7, it is also transcribed on their Website at - http://www.bmsgh.org/parish/warw/tyaiw/tyaiwintro.html also for Birmingham at http://www.bmsgh.org/TYAIB/index.html Sorry just checked the BMSGH, book no longer available for purchase , though you perhaps pick up a copy second-hand. Happy Hunting Helen Downunder Hello everyone Unfortunately, there are very few maps available that show the boundaries of the ancient ecclesiastical parishes (as opposed to civil ones) and how they split over time. For those who do not know a particular area, it is very difficult to work out the churches and area each covered. A place is not necessarily a religious parish - it can be a village or less within a parish; a town may not have been a religious parish in its own name throughout time. Some maps of "parishes" turn out to be a mishmash of ecclesiastical and civil parishes - Oldbury in north Warwickshire appears as a parish on some maps, it was NEVER an ecclesiastical parish. Modern mapping of church parishes can also be most unhelpful to those delving into the past - boundaries have changed over time. For those with connections in North Warwickshire, see www.nnwfhs.org.uk and particularly their booklet "Baptism, Marriage & Burial Records: What is Where for the North Warwickshire Church of England Parishes". In this booklet there is an outline map of the parishes (including detached chunks that can cause all sorts of problems to researchers), details of how each split - particularly to cope with Victorian "expansion" - and when any closed. The booklet also lists the extant registers and bishop's transcripts for each and where they are held. This is far more detailed than such as Phillimore's Atlas and Index as it includes what is known to be missing from the registers/BTs, plus the dedication of the church - a great aid especially if you've had a hand-copied GRO marriage certificate which is incorrectly completed (as one presented at a Help Desk not so long ago which proclaimed St Edith's, Atherstone...instead of St Editha's, Polesworth ... in the Atherstone registration district). Shame there aren't similarly affordable practical booklets for other areas... There is an old book, which was produced at one time as facsimile on CD, "Studies in Church Dedications of England's Patron Saints" by Arnold-Forster. It can help sort out all the St Mary's, and so on. In WAR we are plagued by places sharing both a name and church dedication...Exhall and Atherstone come to mind. Jacqui The websites of St Mary, St Nicholas & St Paul Warwick all have sections on their history. http://www.stmaryswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stnicholaswarwick.org.uk/ http://www.stpaulswarwick.co.uk Having visited it several times, I think St Mary's is without doubt one of the most impressive gothic parish churches in England. The rich patronage of the Earls of Warwick helped, of course! Definitely a "must see" if you are in the area. The very high tower can be seen for miles around and the view from the top of the tower is pretty impressive too. St Nicholas is not so grand, but the parish also has a long history. Both have large churchyards with many graves. St Paul's is a much more modest church. The parish was carved out of St Mary's in Victorian times in what was a poorer part of the town beyond the West Gate. At the other end of the town (Emscote) the Victorian church of All Saints, which was demolished in the 1960s, has been replaced by a modern building. When searching for your ancestors It's worth remembing that even small towns may have had several parishes, especially in Victorian times when population growth, rural exodus, and church-going were at their peak. MAR in France. > > Hello everyone, > > When I read St. Nicholas, Warwick, Warwickshire; I think of Kenilworth, > Warwickshire. > > When I see St. Mary's, Warwick, Warwickshire: I don't think of any place. > > Where are these places please!!! > Kind Regards > Carol Kennedy > > ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 224 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

    10/17/2012 04:19:11