Hi Ed, Unless the marriage is by licence, a notification of the forthcoming marriage (Banns) has to be read in the parish church of both bride and groom on 3 separate occasions prior to the actual marriage. In the case of Robert PALMER and Mary Ann MAN(N), Ancestry have a parish register copy of the banns being read at Westwood (a chapelry in the parish of Stoneleigh) on the dates I gave you, but do not have a record of the actual marriage ceremony. The death registration that Colin found for Mary Ann PALMER at Warwick reg district in 1891 looks to be that of a Mary Ann PALMER who was buried at Leamington St John the Baptist on 5 February 1891, 20 Shambland Street, aged 59. Ancestry's Warwickshire Marriage Register Images show the following PALMER marriages that could be relevant to you: 2 Jan 1873 at St Mark, Coventry George CLULEY, 23, bachelor, Cook, Charles Street, father George CLULEY, Weaver and Emma PALMER, 19 spinster, Servant, Charles Street, father Robert PALMER, Labourer 24 Sep 1895 at Baginton John PALMER, aged 34, bachelor, Labourer, Baginton, father Robert PALMER, Labourer and Sarah KING, 21, spinster, Allesley, father Thomas KING, Labourer 19 Nov 1898 at Fillongley James PALMER, 32, bachelor, Labourer, Stoneleigh, father Robert PALMER, Labourer deceased and Mary Jane HARRIS, 18, spinster, Fillongley, father Henry HARRIS, Labourer Son Joseph PALMER is a patient in the Birmingham District General Hospital in the 1891 census. He is described as aged 27, single, a Mole Catcher, born Stoneleigh. Following him through in subsequent census records, it would appear that mother Mary Ann PALMER is alive and kicking in the 1911 census of Stoneleigh! She is described as aged 80, a widow, married 61 years, having had 11 children 9 of whom are still living, and a Pensioner, born Morton Morell. Son Francis Joseph PALMER is living with her and described as aged 46, single and an Engineers Labourer born Stoneleigh. They are living at Pipers Mill Stoneleigh. James & wife Mary Jane PALMER are living in Hawkesbury & Great Badminton, Gloucestershire in the 1911 census. He is shown as a Domestic Chauffeur, married 13 years, 6 children 5 of whom are still alive. They are James Henry aged 12 born Fillongley, Ethel May aged 9 born East Sheen Surrey, Walter Sidney aged 7 born East Sheen, Mabel Annie aged 5 born Badminton, Robert aged 1 born Badminton. Also with them is nephew Frederick Henry STAFFORD, aged 1 born Stroud, Gloucestershire. Daughter Eliza is living with mother Mary Ann and brother John at no 4 Pipers Mill, Coventry Road Stoneleigh in the 1891 census but I cannot find her in subsequent census records. Son John and wife Sarah are living at Woodshires Green, Exhall in the 1911 census. They have been married 16 years and have 5 children all of whom are still alive. He is shown as a General Labourer. Their children are Robert aged 15 born Baginton a Farmer's boy, Eleanor aged 13, Thomas aged 8, Beatrice aged 5 and Annie aged 2, all born Exhall. Daughter Emma & husband George CLULEY are in the 1911 census of Coventry. George is shown as a Driller in an Ordinance Factory and they have been married 37 years having had 9 children, 7 of whom are still alive. Living with them at 116 Harnall Lane End are children George Robert aged 36, Gertrude Annie aged 28, Francis Walter aged 23, Florence May, aged 19 and Rose Ethel aged 17, all born Coventry. Going back to father Robert PALMER's birth, Ancestry Baptismal Register images show that he was baptised at Stoneleigh on 12 January 1823, parents Joseph & Elizabeth. Also baptised on the same day was a daughter Mary. Robert was aged 2 and Mary aged 5 when they were baptised and Joseph was shown as a Labourer of Hurst Lane. There is another baptism for the couple at Stoneleigh of a daughter Elizabeth on 7 March 1813, Joseph being shown as a Labourer of Hollies Lane. Joseph PALMER looks to have died prior to the 1851 census as Elizabeth PALMER is shown as a widowed Laundress, aged 74 born Ashow, Warwickshire. Living with her at The Hurst are married son John aged 39 a Farm Labourer and his wife Elizabeth aged 40, both born Stoneleigh and nephew Joseph PRICE aged 4 born Holy Trinity Coventry. Census ref HO107/2073, folio 29, page 12. He has probably died prior to the 1841 census as Elizabeth is living with John & Elizabeth then too. There is a marriage on IGI Family Search of a Joseph PARMER & Elizabeth LINES on 5 February 1800, but unfortunately Ancestry do not seem to have marriage entries for Stoneleigh covering this date so I cannot check the details for you, but it does sound promising. A John PALMER's baptism is however on Ancestry's images and is shown as 24 July 1803 son of Joseph & Eliz PARMER, Pools. Another child William baptised on 15 February 1807, Joseph being shown as a Labourer. There is also a further baptism of a son John 4 March 1810 son of Joseph & Elizabeth PARMER, Pools. Aha, a burial on 25 November 1808 of John son of Joseph PALMER, Pools. If you are interested in following your PALMER line back, it might be worth your while to see if you can access Ancestry free via a local library or some such facility as they have a lot of the actual parish register images for Warwickshire available to view including Stoneleigh from 1616-1812 and Ashow from 1733-1807 although they are not all complete. Hope this helps anyway. Janet I do not have the information you mentioned and would appreciate anything you may wish to furnish. Sorry to admit but I don't know what banns is/are? Thank You! Ed