Thank You! -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi Ed Just to say that I have the images and can say with reasonable certainly the birth cert you have is the wrong young lady They are proving to be a troublesome bunch though but as soon as I think I have something more concrete I will post again At least the PALMER side looks correct :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 19:13, Ed Palmer wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I am beginning to think Norvard may be exactly > right and I have chosen the wrong person to investigate. Hopefully, > He will be able to tell from the documents I emailed him a few minutes > ago. Thanks again. All I have right now is William's immediate > family. So I cannot answer if we may have a connection somewhere farther back.. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Ed Some better news Not sure how you ended up with the 1849 Ellen born in Lancashire but as I said things were more difficult then with less access to records Her parents were James and Jane , James died and Jane remarried to a John MORECROFT but not connected to your SWIFTs ================== Turning to the 1870 marriage cert for which you have nice confirmation in the unofficial certificate which gives the date and Church, it must be some time later as the date is preprinted as 188..... but does confirm its the right marriage The official cert shows that they had two witnesses, Thomas SWIFT and Louisa SWIFT William PALMER was a bachelor of full age abode No2 Back of 49 Holliday street , father Robert a Labourer Ellen was age 20 a spinster abode 4 Bishopsgate terrace father Thomas SWIFT a Labourer (neither father recorded as deceased although that may not be the case) I looked high and low for a Louisa SWIFT either as a sibling or cousin of Ellen, but found none To cut a long story short, I checked the siblings of the Ellen born 1852 Berkswell I looked for Thomas and finding one that looked promising in 1871 close to the time of the marriage as follows 1871 England Census about Thomas Swift Name: Thomas Swift Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Backwell, Warwickshire, England (Berkswell) Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 3101 Folio: 33 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age William Swift 32 Vivixa Swift 27 (Vivixa is actually Louisa) William Swift 5 John Swift 4 Eliza Trussell 53 (mother in law) Thomas Swift 22 (brother to William head of household, born Berkswell) RG10; Piece: 3101; Folio: 33; Page: 26; GSU roll: 839571. The aboves marriage registration Marriages Dec 1862 Swift William Kings N 6c 709 Trussell Louisa Kings N 6c 709 So I would say that the witnesses at Ellens wedding were her brother Thomas and sister in law Louisa Now I wanted a little more proof we have the right Ellen SWIFT Looking again at the 1870 marriage cert there are two addresses, nothing very interesting at or near the Holliday street address, but looking at the 1871 for Bishopsgate terrace I noticed a Mark SWIFT with wife Sarah born Strensham Worcestershire Not having found the Mark previously I wondered whose he was, Ellen had no Mark as sibling I then looked to see if I could find any SWIFT with a connection to Tile Hill I found just one a Sarah SWIFT living at a property enumerated as Tile Hill nr Coventry in 1911 A coincidence perhaps , Tile Hill appears to be an area rather than just one specific property To cut another long story short, she turns out to be the widow of the Mark found at 5 Bishopsgate terrace in 1871, Mark was the son of a Jonathan SWIFT born 1812 or 1813 Hampton in Arden, near Balsall Common, Jonathan was a brother of Thomas Thomas's baptism Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Thomas Swift Name: Thomas Swift Parish: Hampton in Arden Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1817 Father's Name: William Swift Mother's Name: Anne Swift I will send some snippets off list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Ed > > Just to say that I have the images and can say with reasonable certainly the > birth cert you have is the wrong young lady > > They are proving to be a troublesome bunch though but as soon as I think I > have something more concrete I will post again > > At least the PALMER side looks correct :-)