Ed, I have come across this request a bit late and therefore do not appear to have information you have already been given, but in case you do not already have it, Ancestry have a copy of the banns read at Westwood, Warwickshire on 11th, 18th and 25th November 1849 for Robert PALMER of this parish & Mary Ann MAN of the parish of Morton Morrell. They also have a record that Robert PALMER was buried at Stoneleigh on 1 November 1890, aged 70. Do you already have information on Robert PALMER's baptism at Stoneleigh? If not let me know and I can give you details. Janet I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift in Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to the U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in the U S census that is indicated.

Hi again Something does not quite stack up somewhere along the line The Thomas SWIFT born 1816/17 Balsall appears in 1841 and 1851 with wife Mary Ann nee GIBBS Marriages Dec 1837 Gibbs Mary Ann Warwick 16 656 SWIFT Thomas Warwick 16 656 In 1851 there is no daughter Ellen and children are so spaced as to make it hard to see how an Ellen would fit in In 1861 the same family have an Ellen aged 9 born Berkswell , there is a registration to suit So either you have the wrong Thomas SWIFT or the birth details you have are wrong The only William PALMER with a wife Ellen (born 1850 +/- 2 years) I can see in 1871 is one born 1839 Oxford, his wife born 1848 Birmingham (there is one more couple but born and living in Cambridgeshire) Where does the birth information for Ellen come from? And have you found them in the 1871 census ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 14:46, Ed Palmer wrote: > My Ellen Swift was born 5 May 1849 in Lancashire. Her father, Thomas, was > born in 1817 in Balsall. He died in 1880. > I REALLY appreciate the responses I have received here. They have already > filled in a lot of blanks on my family tree! > Ed

Hi Ed Is your Ellen SWIFT the one born Berkswell 1852? I take it the marriage cert states that Thomas was her father? what was his occupation then? In both 1861 & 1871 Thomas SWIFT is an Ag Lab rather than an employer I don't see a William PALMER with wife Ellen in the 1871 census though In 1851 & 1861 1851 England Census about William Palmer Name: William Palmer Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Palmer Mother's Name: Mary A Palmer Gender: M (Male) Where born: Starton, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Stoneleigh Ecclesiastical parish: Worcester County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Kenilworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 2073 Folio: 44 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Robert Palmer 30 Mary A Palmer 19 William Palmer 1 HO107; Piece: 2073; Folio: 44; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87339-87341. ==================== 1861 England Census about William Palmer Name: William Palmer Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Palmer Mother's Name: Mary Palmer Gender: Male Where born: Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Stoneleigh County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Kenilworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 130 Piece: 2224 Folio: 165 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Robert Palmer 42 Mary Palmer 32 William Palmer 11 Elizabeth Palmer 9 Emma Palmer 6 Sarah A Palmer 6 John Pamer 7 RG 9; Piece: 2224; Folio: 165; Page: 23; GSU roll: 542938. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/08/2012 20:37, Ed Palmer wrote: > I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. > > My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. > His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift in > Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to the > U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family > members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their > arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in > the U S census that is indicated. > > I have an old photo of a grass topped hut and on the back of the photo it is > labeled "Tile Hill" and the words "presnted to him by his employer Thomas > Swift. Leads me to believe that William Palmer may have married the bosses > daughter. They were married in the Parish Church of St Thomas in > Birmingham. > > Any help that anyone can give will be really appreciated. Thanks.

Hi, I've been following this thread with great interest; without a lot of assistance from the folks on this and the WOR list I'd never have waded through the correct past paths of my PALMER family of those 2 counties (also peaked my curiosity i.e. are our Palmer groups related?) Re: help from "way back" - pre-internet etc and the possiblity of "the wrong Ellen". I received an lengthy, well researched family tree from a researcher in the UK back in 1986 - this when I was trying to track my Palmer-Holyoake families. What a goldmine of help that was: the researcher had spent many, many years on the same group and shared this with me. From her files I then tracked one line back - way back! Spent several years perfecting that, backed up with lots of sources etc. It wasn't until I asked for some assistance from this and the WAR list re: Palmer-Holyoake that I learned I'd spent over 20 years tracking back the WRONG FRANCIS. The two even-tempered, long-suffering researchers on these lists patiently proved over and over again to me where my original received research of 1986 had gone wrong. I put it away for over a year before creeping back to correct it all - same "tree" just 20 years' worth of climbing back on the wrong branch. So it isn't a bad idea to go back and ck. further to make sure the correct "Ellen" is there - I thought I had the correct "Francis" - but didn't. Ed, I don't have a Robert Palmer in my Palmer group but all of the other first names in your group are the same first names in my Palmers down thro the generations... my first William Palmer was born abt 1761 in Bromsgrove, WOR & died 1829 in Burcott, WOR while his wife, Margaret Read, was born Chaddesley Corbet, WOR and died 1851 Alcester, WAR.: 9 children, eldest being William 1799 - 1883 & his wife Sarah Trehearn 1813 - 1893 - their son, William b. 1855 Feckenham, Redditch, WAR, wife Eliza Palmer (first cousins). Coming down, these Palmers generally centred around Bromsgrove, WOR. Any connections possible? Good luck, Kate At 11:12 AM 8/29/2012, you wrote: >Hi again > >As things were not quite so easy as they are now I would suggest a >little checking to confirm you have the right people > >If you can scan the documents you have and email a copy off list I am >more than happy to take a look at them for you > >I suspect you may have got hold of the wrong birth cert for Ellen >perhaps, is there any other evidence she was born anywhere other than >Warwickshire? > >I presume you have some evidence from the US side that Ellen was a SWIFT >and they married in 1870 ? > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >On 29/08/2012 15:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > > > > he birth information I have for Ellen is from a birth certificate of sorts > > (it is actually a copy of a document registration I obtained from > some where > > in the UK about 25 years ago. I can't remember what agency supplied it to > > me. It is also the same place I obtained a copy of William and Ellen's > > marriage certificate. Please forgive me for not remembering where I > > received this info. > > > > An earlier response to my inquiry today informed me that Robert Palmer and > > Mary are in the 1861 UK census and my William is listed (correct age > > anyway). > > They are in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire. > > > > By 1871 William and Ellen may have immmigrated. I will try and scan the > > documents I have and include them as text in my next post. >------------------------------- >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Kate Confidentiality Statement - The contents of this e-mail, including its attachment, are intended for the exclusive use of the recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from reading, using, disclosing, copying, or distributing this e-mail or any of its contents. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail immediately and permanently delete this e-mail and its attachments, along with any copies thereof. Thank you.

Thank You! -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:27 PM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi Ed Just to say that I have the images and can say with reasonable certainly the birth cert you have is the wrong young lady They are proving to be a troublesome bunch though but as soon as I think I have something more concrete I will post again At least the PALMER side looks correct :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 19:13, Ed Palmer wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I am beginning to think Norvard may be exactly > right and I have chosen the wrong person to investigate. Hopefully, > He will be able to tell from the documents I emailed him a few minutes > ago. Thanks again. All I have right now is William's immediate > family. So I cannot answer if we may have a connection somewhere farther back.. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the advice. I am beginning to think Norvard may be exactly right and I have chosen the wrong person to investigate. Hopefully, He will be able to tell from the documents I emailed him a few minutes ago. Thanks again. All I have right now is William's immediate family. So I cannot answer if we may have a connection somewhere farther back.. Somewhere along the line I received information that William may have been brought to the country to build cotton gins. Can't find any documentation of that. However, most of the Palmer's in my family are mechanically inclined (don't know if that's an inherited trait or not) -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chy Maen Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:56 PM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi, I've been following this thread with great interest; without a lot of assistance from the folks on this and the WOR list I'd never have waded through the correct past paths of my PALMER family of those 2 counties (also peaked my curiosity i.e. are our Palmer groups related?) Re: help from "way back" - pre-internet etc and the possiblity of "the wrong Ellen". I received an lengthy, well researched family tree from a researcher in the UK back in 1986 - this when I was trying to track my Palmer-Holyoake families. What a goldmine of help that was: the researcher had spent many, many years on the same group and shared this with me. From her files I then tracked one line back - way back! Spent several years perfecting that, backed up with lots of sources etc. It wasn't until I asked for some assistance from this and the WAR list re: Palmer-Holyoake that I learned I'd spent over 20 years tracking back the WRONG FRANCIS. The two even-tempered, long-suffering researchers on these lists patiently proved over and over again to me where my original received research of 1986 had gone wrong. I put it away for over a year before creeping back to correct it all - same "tree" just 20 years' worth of climbing back on the wrong branch. So it isn't a bad idea to go back and ck. further to make sure the correct "Ellen" is there - I thought I had the correct "Francis" - but didn't. Ed, I don't have a Robert Palmer in my Palmer group but all of the other first names in your group are the same first names in my Palmers down thro the generations... my first William Palmer was born abt 1761 in Bromsgrove, WOR & died 1829 in Burcott, WOR while his wife, Margaret Read, was born Chaddesley Corbet, WOR and died 1851 Alcester, WAR.: 9 children, eldest being William 1799 - 1883 & his wife Sarah Trehearn 1813 - 1893 - their son, William b. 1855 Feckenham, Redditch, WAR, wife Eliza Palmer (first cousins). Coming down, these Palmers generally centred around Bromsgrove, WOR. Any connections possible? Good luck, Kate At 11:12 AM 8/29/2012, you wrote: >Hi again > >As things were not quite so easy as they are now I would suggest a >little checking to confirm you have the right people > >If you can scan the documents you have and email a copy off list I am >more than happy to take a look at them for you > >I suspect you may have got hold of the wrong birth cert for Ellen >perhaps, is there any other evidence she was born anywhere other than >Warwickshire? > >I presume you have some evidence from the US side that Ellen was a >SWIFT and they married in 1870 ? > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >On 29/08/2012 15:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > > > > he birth information I have for Ellen is from a birth certificate of > > sorts (it is actually a copy of a document registration I obtained > > from > some where > > in the UK about 25 years ago. I can't remember what agency supplied > > it to me. It is also the same place I obtained a copy of William > > and Ellen's marriage certificate. Please forgive me for not > > remembering where I received this info. > > > > An earlier response to my inquiry today informed me that Robert > > Palmer and Mary are in the 1861 UK census and my William is listed > > (correct age anyway). > > They are in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire. > > > > By 1871 William and Ellen may have immmigrated. I will try and scan > > the documents I have and include them as text in my next post. >------------------------------- >List archives are at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Kate Confidentiality Statement - The contents of this e-mail, including its attachment, are intended for the exclusive use of the recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from reading, using, disclosing, copying, or distributing this e-mail or any of its contents. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail immediately and permanently delete this e-mail and its attachments, along with any copies thereof. Thank you. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They first settled in Tennessee and later in Mississippi. Both died there. -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:32 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Sorry forgot to ask where they went to in the USA Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 16:19, Ed Palmer wrote: > Hello, > I have an old Family Bible entry listing William and Ellen's marriage. > I will e mail them to you as soonn as I can get them scanned. Thanks > so much for your patience and replies. > Ed ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have an old Family Bible entry listing William and Ellen's marriage. I will e mail them to you as soonn as I can get them scanned. Thanks so much for your patience and replies. Ed -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:13 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi again As things were not quite so easy as they are now I would suggest a little checking to confirm you have the right people If you can scan the documents you have and email a copy off list I am more than happy to take a look at them for you I suspect you may have got hold of the wrong birth cert for Ellen perhaps, is there any other evidence she was born anywhere other than Warwickshire? I presume you have some evidence from the US side that Ellen was a SWIFT and they married in 1870 ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 15:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > > he birth information I have for Ellen is from a birth certificate of > sorts (it is actually a copy of a document registration I obtained > from some where in the UK about 25 years ago. I can't remember what > agency supplied it to me. It is also the same place I obtained a copy > of William and Ellen's marriage certificate. Please forgive me for > not remembering where I received this info. > > An earlier response to my inquiry today informed me that Robert Palmer > and Mary are in the 1861 UK census and my William is listed (correct > age anyway). > They are in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire. > > By 1871 William and Ellen may have immmigrated. I will try and scan > the documents I have and include them as text in my next post. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not have the information you mentioned and would appreciate anything you may wish to furnish. Sorry to admit but I don't know what banns is/are? Thank You! Ed -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Booth Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:40 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Edith Annie Gilkes Ed, I have come across this request a bit late and therefore do not appear to have information you have already been given, but in case you do not already have it, Ancestry have a copy of the banns read at Westwood, Warwickshire on 11th, 18th and 25th November 1849 for Robert PALMER of this parish & Mary Ann MAN of the parish of Morton Morrell. They also have a record that Robert PALMER was buried at Stoneleigh on 1 November 1890, aged 70. Do you already have information on Robert PALMER's baptism at Stoneleigh? If not let me know and I can give you details. Janet I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift in Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to the U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in the U S census that is indicated. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

he birth information I have for Ellen is from a birth certificate of sorts (it is actually a copy of a document registration I obtained from some where in the UK about 25 years ago. I can't remember what agency supplied it to me. It is also the same place I obtained a copy of William and Ellen's marriage certificate. Please forgive me for not remembering where I received this info. An earlier response to my inquiry today informed me that Robert Palmer and Mary are in the 1861 UK census and my William is listed (correct age anyway). They are in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire. By 1871 William and Ellen may have immmigrated. I will try and scan the documents I have and include them as text in my next post. -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:38 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi again Something does not quite stack up somewhere along the line The Thomas SWIFT born 1816/17 Balsall appears in 1841 and 1851 with wife Mary Ann nee GIBBS Marriages Dec 1837 Gibbs Mary Ann Warwick 16 656 SWIFT Thomas Warwick 16 656 In 1851 there is no daughter Ellen and children are so spaced as to make it hard to see how an Ellen would fit in In 1861 the same family have an Ellen aged 9 born Berkswell , there is a registration to suit So either you have the wrong Thomas SWIFT or the birth details you have are wrong The only William PALMER with a wife Ellen (born 1850 +/- 2 years) I can see in 1871 is one born 1839 Oxford, his wife born 1848 Birmingham (there is one more couple but born and living in Cambridgeshire) Where does the birth information for Ellen come from? And have you found them in the 1871 census ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 14:46, Ed Palmer wrote: > My Ellen Swift was born 5 May 1849 in Lancashire. Her father, Thomas, > was born in 1817 in Balsall. He died in 1880. > I REALLY appreciate the responses I have received here. They have > already filled in a lot of blanks on my family tree! > Ed ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Ellen Swift was born 5 May 1849 in Lancashire. Her father, Thomas, was born in 1817 in Balsall. He died in 1880. I REALLY appreciate the responses I have received here. They have already filled in a lot of blanks on my family tree! Ed -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:34 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi Ed Is your Ellen SWIFT the one born Berkswell 1852? I take it the marriage cert states that Thomas was her father? what was his occupation then? In both 1861 & 1871 Thomas SWIFT is an Ag Lab rather than an employer I don't see a William PALMER with wife Ellen in the 1871 census though In 1851 & 1861 1851 England Census about William Palmer Name: William Palmer Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Palmer Mother's Name: Mary A Palmer Gender: M (Male) Where born: Starton, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Stoneleigh Ecclesiastical parish: Worcester County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Kenilworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 2073 Folio: 44 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Robert Palmer 30 Mary A Palmer 19 William Palmer 1 HO107; Piece: 2073; Folio: 44; Page: 4; GSU roll: 87339-87341. ==================== 1861 England Census about William Palmer Name: William Palmer Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850 Relation: Son Father's Name: Robert Palmer Mother's Name: Mary Palmer Gender: Male Where born: Stoneleigh, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Stoneleigh County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Warwick Sub-registration district: Kenilworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 130 Piece: 2224 Folio: 165 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Robert Palmer 42 Mary Palmer 32 William Palmer 11 Elizabeth Palmer 9 Emma Palmer 6 Sarah A Palmer 6 John Pamer 7 RG 9; Piece: 2224; Folio: 165; Page: 23; GSU roll: 542938. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/08/2012 20:37, Ed Palmer wrote: > I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. > > My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. > His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen > Swift in Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they > immigrated to the U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's > siblings and other family members who were left behind in the UK. I > can find no record of their arrival on any ship or any indication they > were naturalized even though in the U S census that is indicated. > > I have an old photo of a grass topped hut and on the back of the photo > it is labeled "Tile Hill" and the words "presnted to him by his > employer Thomas Swift. Leads me to believe that William Palmer may > have married the bosses daughter. They were married in the Parish > Church of St Thomas in Birmingham. > > Any help that anyone can give will be really appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank You Very Much. I would appreciate the census data and any other assistance you may lend. Thanks again, this fills in a lot of my family tree from Great Britain. Ed -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Colin Liddell Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:29 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Edith Annie Gilkes Ed, In the 1861 Census I found; Robert PALMER age 42 born Stoneleigh, Warwichshire a Ag Lab Mary Palmer age 32 born Morton Morrell? Warwickshire William age 11 born Stoneleigh, Warwickshire Elizabeth age 9 born " " Emma age 6 born " " Sarah A. age 4 born " " John age 1 born " " In the 1871 Census Robert age 52 and Mary Ann age 42 are still there with Sarah A. and John plus two more children, Joseph age 6 born in Stoneleigh and Eliza age 1 born in Stoneleigh and James age 4 born Stoneleigh. In the 1881 Census Robert age 61 and Mary Ann age 51 are still there with James age 15 a Bootmaker's app., Eliza age 11 a scholar and Walter age 9 a scholar born Stoneleigh. In 1891 Walter is in the Army at the Royal Artilliry Barracks Sheerness. This looks to be the death of Robert; Deaths Dec 1890 Palmer Robert 70 Warwick 6d 389 And this the death of Mary Ann; Deaths Mar 1891 Palmer Mary Ann 59 Warwick 6d 427 I am going away early tomorrow morning and won;t be back till Sunday the 9th, if no other person has been able to help, I would be quite happy (if you have broadband) to send you the original Census for 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881. I could also try and chase upon some of the other children. Regards, Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Palmer" <epalmer@pipertonpolice.org> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Edith Annie Gilkes > I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. > > My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. > His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift > in > Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to > the > U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family > members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their > arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in > the U S census that is indicated. > > I have an old photo of a grass topped hut and on the back of the photo it > is > labeled "Tile Hill" and the words "presnted to him by his employer Thomas > Swift. Leads me to believe that William Palmer may have married the > bosses > daughter. They were married in the Parish Church of St Thomas in > Birmingham. > > Any help that anyone can give will be really appreciated. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Pam, Peter and Nivard for the suggestions and details. I suspected that Edith had emigrated, but it seems initially while working for the same firm as in Coventry, as they paid the fare. Thanks Peter for finding both passages. I was aware of the Northampton marriage brought to my attention by Nivard, but, strangely enough, there was another Edith Annie Gilkes born in Hardingstone, Northampton in 1902. I assumed this was her marriage. Again, many thanks. David

Hello Nivard, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Edith Annie Gilkes > Possible death reg > > England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Edith Annie Hewins > Name: Edith Annie Hewins > Birth Date: 28 Dec 1901 > Date of Registration: Oct 1988 > Age at Death: 86 > Registration district: Northampton > Inferred County: Northamptonshire > Volume: 7 > Page: 2400 This death registration seems to infer that you have found the marriage of Edith Annie Gilkes born Hardingstone Registration District 1902Q1 Vol 3b Page 24. Regards Peter

Missed one off England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Edward J L Hewins Name: Edward J L Hewins Birth Date: abt 1902 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1966 Age at Death: 64 Registration district: Northampton Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 597 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/08/2012 20:12, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi David > > Have you explored this marriage > > England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Edith A Gilkes > Name: Edith A Gilkes > Spouse Surname: Hewins > Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 > Registration district: Northampton

Hi David Have you explored this marriage England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Edith A Gilkes Name: Edith A Gilkes Spouse Surname: Hewins Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 Registration district: Northampton Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume Number: 3b Page Number: 103 England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Edward J L Hewins Name: Edward J L Hewins Spouse Surname: Gilkes Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927 Registration district: Northampton Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume Number: 3b Page Number: 103 Possible death reg England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Edith Annie Hewins Name: Edith Annie Hewins Birth Date: 28 Dec 1901 Date of Registration: Oct 1988 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Northampton Inferred County: Northamptonshire Volume: 7 Page: 2400 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/08/2012 20:02, Davidhutt6@aol.com wrote: > As this is my first request to the website, I am hoping for some success. > Edith Annie Gilkes was born in Coventry in 1903. According to the 1911 > census, she lived in Lockhurst Lane, Coventry with her brother and parents, > Mary Jane and Herbert Gilkes. > Although I have further information on the lives of the other three family > members, I can find nothing more on Edith. > No records of either her marriage or death have come to light. There is a > possibility that she may have emigrated [to Canada(?)], but I have no access > to emigration lists. > Any assistance in finding more details of Edith's life would be greatly > appreciated. > > David Hutt

Hi, David David Smith is doing a One-Name Study of Gilkes and may be able to help you. His e-mail address is: _gilkes-david@supanet.com_ (mailto:gilkes-david@supanet.com) Best wishes Pam T In a message dated 27/08/2012 20:03:02 GMT Daylight Time, Davidhutt6@aol.com writes: As this is my first request to the website, I am hoping for some success. Edith Annie Gilkes was born in Coventry in 1903. According to the 1911 census, she lived in Lockhurst Lane, Coventry with her brother and parents, Mary Jane and Herbert Gilkes. Although I have further information on the lives of the other three family members, I can find nothing more on Edith. No records of either her marriage or death have come to light. There is a possibility that she may have emigrated [to Canada(?)], but I have no access to emigration lists. Any assistance in finding more details of Edith's life would be greatly appreciated. David Hutt ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As this is my first request to the website, I am hoping for some success. Edith Annie Gilkes was born in Coventry in 1903. According to the 1911 census, she lived in Lockhurst Lane, Coventry with her brother and parents, Mary Jane and Herbert Gilkes. Although I have further information on the lives of the other three family members, I can find nothing more on Edith. No records of either her marriage or death have come to light. There is a possibility that she may have emigrated [to Canada(?)], but I have no access to emigration lists. Any assistance in finding more details of Edith's life would be greatly appreciated. David Hutt

I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift in Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to the U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in the U S census that is indicated. I have an old photo of a grass topped hut and on the back of the photo it is labeled "Tile Hill" and the words "presnted to him by his employer Thomas Swift. Leads me to believe that William Palmer may have married the bosses daughter. They were married in the Parish Church of St Thomas in Birmingham. Any help that anyone can give will be really appreciated. Thanks. List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear David, I have received your email via the Warwick list. I would suggest that you contact the Chairman of the Walsall Family History Group, Mr. D.J.Perkins, 7, Launceston Road, Walsall, West Midlands, WS5 3EB. Tel: 01922 632573. When you get here. David may be able to help. Unfortunately I don't think he is on email, but the Society's website is http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/group/index.htm We may have some records in our own Reference Library that may help www.bmsgh.org, but as you are looking for fairly recent information, I would suggest you try Walsall first. There is an excellent local history centre at Walsall, who again may be able to help. Walsall Local History Centre, Essex Street, WalsallWS2 7AS Tel: (01922) 721305 www.walsall.gov.uk/ Good luck with your search. Regards Jackie Cotterill Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry 5 Sanderling Court Spennells Kidderminster Worcs, DY10 4TS Tel/Fax: 01562 743912 www: bmsgh.org -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edwards, David B Sent: 23 August 2012 15:43 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] EDWARDS Aldridge Walsall area Hi I am the G G Grandson of Thomas EDWARDS Thomas EDWARDS b. circa 1796 (possibly in Kings Bromley) and married Millicent Brailsford of Matlock in Matlock 1811. They had 11 children who ended up in the Aldridge/Walsall region. My great grandfather William was a saddletree manufacturer and emigrated to Melbourne Australia in 1875 with family members including his nephew Jabez. William visited his English relatives around 1910 and I have a family group photo as a memento, but of course have no names!!! If anyone has knowledge of their descendants I am visiting the UK next month and would like to make contact if convenient. Any family history information would be most useful. David Edwards Coffs Harbour ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message