Whilst going through it I noticed a BRENTNALL Jeanette are you there? Lost a George BRENTNALL born Sutton Coldfield 1841 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all I would not mention this here but a simple keyword search for Warwick* finds over 500 many of which have Warwickshire as a birthplace Leamington, Birmingham, Coventry Rugby etc About Great Britain, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 This database contains master and mate certificates issued to merchant seamen by the British Board of Trade. What You May Find in the Records Great Britain has long been known for its maritime prowess in both military and commercial spheres. The certificates and other documents included in this database were issued to merchant seamen who qualified as masters or mates aboard merchant ships. Records include certificates of competency, certificates of service, examination applications, and other documents. Forms vary, but they may include the following details: name certificate number birth date birthplace issue port issue date address examination date history of service (dates, vessels, occupations, years in service) Some of the information is included on the back of the certificates, and some documents in a seaman’s folder have not been indexed, so when you find a record, use the arrows to browse surrounding documents to make sure you see all the records available. You may want to browse through an entire roll since the original folders were sometimes filed in random order. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi all I just noticed they have update the following database today Sadly it does not state what they have updated but perhaps worth checking It contains a real variety of records, many worth looking through just out of historical interest About Warwickshire, England, Miscellaneous Parish Records This database contains a collection of miscellaneous records from parishes in Warwickshire, England, for the 18th–20th centuries. As the local governing unit, the parish was involved in many aspects of its inhabitants’ lives, and records in this database include account books vestry books marriage licences letters rate books orders of removal churchwarden’s books rents constable records papist estates parish addresses deeds logs minutes orders Records can be browsed by parish and record type. Parish baptismal, marriage, and burial registers for Warwickshire have been assembled in other databases, though some marriage licences do appear among the records. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hello, The Banbury & Evesham Friends site mentions that "in 2011 Martin Lucas, Samuel Lucas’s 9th generation grandson, paid a visit" to Ettington. If this is not the person you are already in touch with, then he may be the one to try and contact for knowledge of the family history. MAR in France. > Message du 12/09/12 13:42 > De : SBrainstev@aol.com > A : warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] LUCAS family in ETTINGTON > > Is there anyone who is researching the LUCAS family of Ettington? > > I have just discovered that I have a link (cousins) with the staunch Quaker > family that established the Meeting House in the village. I would be keen > to find out a few more facts about their lives. The entries in Besse's > "Sufferings" makes for fascinating reading! > > Steve > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you looked at Ettington Village webpage http://www.ettington.co.uk/friends-meeting-house.html Regards Jackie Cotterill Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry 5 Sanderling Court Spennells Kidderminster Worcs, DY10 4TS Tel/Fax: 01562 743912 www: bmsgh.org -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SBrainstev@aol.com Sent: 12 September 2012 12:42 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] LUCAS family in ETTINGTON Is there anyone who is researching the LUCAS family of Ettington? I have just discovered that I have a link (cousins) with the staunch Quaker family that established the Meeting House in the village. I would be keen to find out a few more facts about their lives. The entries in Besse's "Sufferings" makes for fascinating reading! Steve ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there anyone who is researching the LUCAS family of Ettington? I have just discovered that I have a link (cousins) with the staunch Quaker family that established the Meeting House in the village. I would be keen to find out a few more facts about their lives. The entries in Besse's "Sufferings" makes for fascinating reading! Steve

Barbara, I don't know how to get records of deaths from the Social Security Admin but I might be able to find more info on your relative as I have access to Ancestry. Just send details off line and we can explore options. Kay Andrews. >> ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:41:17 +0100 > From: Barbara Gray <barbarajgray8@gmail.com> > Subject: [WAR] BAYNES/BECKETT > To: Warwick <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAMZjB0hDqg7uXuqLrZnzWNNBSpetmcVChtmnu-F-W-vENHrS3A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all > After years of trying to work out how 'Cousin Sidney' fitted into my > Lands family, thanks to the 1940 US census I have found him - he was > Sydney Charles Baynes, not Sidney Beckett! > > Ancestry has a Social Security Death Index for him showing he died 26 > Aug 1994, can anyone advise how I can get a copy of the actual entry > as I thought he lived in California, but he died in Georgia. > > Thanks > Barbara > >

Hi all After years of trying to work out how 'Cousin Sidney' fitted into my Lands family, thanks to the 1940 US census I have found him - he was Sydney Charles Baynes, not Sidney Beckett! Ancestry has a Social Security Death Index for him showing he died 26 Aug 1994, can anyone advise how I can get a copy of the actual entry as I thought he lived in California, but he died in Georgia. Thanks Barbara

Hi Ed, Unless the marriage is by licence, a notification of the forthcoming marriage (Banns) has to be read in the parish church of both bride and groom on 3 separate occasions prior to the actual marriage. In the case of Robert PALMER and Mary Ann MAN(N), Ancestry have a parish register copy of the banns being read at Westwood (a chapelry in the parish of Stoneleigh) on the dates I gave you, but do not have a record of the actual marriage ceremony. The death registration that Colin found for Mary Ann PALMER at Warwick reg district in 1891 looks to be that of a Mary Ann PALMER who was buried at Leamington St John the Baptist on 5 February 1891, 20 Shambland Street, aged 59. Ancestry's Warwickshire Marriage Register Images show the following PALMER marriages that could be relevant to you: 2 Jan 1873 at St Mark, Coventry George CLULEY, 23, bachelor, Cook, Charles Street, father George CLULEY, Weaver and Emma PALMER, 19 spinster, Servant, Charles Street, father Robert PALMER, Labourer 24 Sep 1895 at Baginton John PALMER, aged 34, bachelor, Labourer, Baginton, father Robert PALMER, Labourer and Sarah KING, 21, spinster, Allesley, father Thomas KING, Labourer 19 Nov 1898 at Fillongley James PALMER, 32, bachelor, Labourer, Stoneleigh, father Robert PALMER, Labourer deceased and Mary Jane HARRIS, 18, spinster, Fillongley, father Henry HARRIS, Labourer Son Joseph PALMER is a patient in the Birmingham District General Hospital in the 1891 census. He is described as aged 27, single, a Mole Catcher, born Stoneleigh. Following him through in subsequent census records, it would appear that mother Mary Ann PALMER is alive and kicking in the 1911 census of Stoneleigh! She is described as aged 80, a widow, married 61 years, having had 11 children 9 of whom are still living, and a Pensioner, born Morton Morell. Son Francis Joseph PALMER is living with her and described as aged 46, single and an Engineers Labourer born Stoneleigh. They are living at Pipers Mill Stoneleigh. James & wife Mary Jane PALMER are living in Hawkesbury & Great Badminton, Gloucestershire in the 1911 census. He is shown as a Domestic Chauffeur, married 13 years, 6 children 5 of whom are still alive. They are James Henry aged 12 born Fillongley, Ethel May aged 9 born East Sheen Surrey, Walter Sidney aged 7 born East Sheen, Mabel Annie aged 5 born Badminton, Robert aged 1 born Badminton. Also with them is nephew Frederick Henry STAFFORD, aged 1 born Stroud, Gloucestershire. Daughter Eliza is living with mother Mary Ann and brother John at no 4 Pipers Mill, Coventry Road Stoneleigh in the 1891 census but I cannot find her in subsequent census records. Son John and wife Sarah are living at Woodshires Green, Exhall in the 1911 census. They have been married 16 years and have 5 children all of whom are still alive. He is shown as a General Labourer. Their children are Robert aged 15 born Baginton a Farmer's boy, Eleanor aged 13, Thomas aged 8, Beatrice aged 5 and Annie aged 2, all born Exhall. Daughter Emma & husband George CLULEY are in the 1911 census of Coventry. George is shown as a Driller in an Ordinance Factory and they have been married 37 years having had 9 children, 7 of whom are still alive. Living with them at 116 Harnall Lane End are children George Robert aged 36, Gertrude Annie aged 28, Francis Walter aged 23, Florence May, aged 19 and Rose Ethel aged 17, all born Coventry. Going back to father Robert PALMER's birth, Ancestry Baptismal Register images show that he was baptised at Stoneleigh on 12 January 1823, parents Joseph & Elizabeth. Also baptised on the same day was a daughter Mary. Robert was aged 2 and Mary aged 5 when they were baptised and Joseph was shown as a Labourer of Hurst Lane. There is another baptism for the couple at Stoneleigh of a daughter Elizabeth on 7 March 1813, Joseph being shown as a Labourer of Hollies Lane. Joseph PALMER looks to have died prior to the 1851 census as Elizabeth PALMER is shown as a widowed Laundress, aged 74 born Ashow, Warwickshire. Living with her at The Hurst are married son John aged 39 a Farm Labourer and his wife Elizabeth aged 40, both born Stoneleigh and nephew Joseph PRICE aged 4 born Holy Trinity Coventry. Census ref HO107/2073, folio 29, page 12. He has probably died prior to the 1841 census as Elizabeth is living with John & Elizabeth then too. There is a marriage on IGI Family Search of a Joseph PARMER & Elizabeth LINES on 5 February 1800, but unfortunately Ancestry do not seem to have marriage entries for Stoneleigh covering this date so I cannot check the details for you, but it does sound promising. A John PALMER's baptism is however on Ancestry's images and is shown as 24 July 1803 son of Joseph & Eliz PARMER, Pools. Another child William baptised on 15 February 1807, Joseph being shown as a Labourer. There is also a further baptism of a son John 4 March 1810 son of Joseph & Elizabeth PARMER, Pools. Aha, a burial on 25 November 1808 of John son of Joseph PALMER, Pools. If you are interested in following your PALMER line back, it might be worth your while to see if you can access Ancestry free via a local library or some such facility as they have a lot of the actual parish register images for Warwickshire available to view including Stoneleigh from 1616-1812 and Ashow from 1733-1807 although they are not all complete. Hope this helps anyway. Janet I do not have the information you mentioned and would appreciate anything you may wish to furnish. Sorry to admit but I don't know what banns is/are? Thank You! Ed

Wow, a lot of food for thought. Thank you very much for all this information. I will be a while digesting it all , Thanks again. ep -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lianne.fitzpatrick@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:10 PM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT I've been following this thread with interest. I live just up the road from Tile Hill Village, which is now so close to Coventry that you would need to check on a map where one ends and the other begins. To further complicate matters there is also an area of Coventry called Tile Hill, or Tile Hill North, to distinguish it from the village. If you ever find a more accurate address I would be glad to check for you if the building is still there. Lianne, Coventry Sent using BlackBerryR from Orange -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Sender: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:23:31 To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi Ed I wouldn't feel to bad about it, you have seen that many times but I haven't so can look at it afresh and perhaps see what you have missed as you are used to seeing it I can assure you we all do it, and I mean all :-) A very good way of finding new leads and fresh information, is to get out the certificates you have and go over them again, even if you think you know them off by heart, I will guarantee you will find something new even though you have seen them many times before, sometimes a witness, sometimes an address, in the course of continued research you will have come across new places and people and these often trigger the memory cells when rereading old certs and documents Now I suspect you need to reread the information I posted earlier The J SWIFT I would suggest is Jonathan SWIFT b1812 the brother of Thomas SWIFT b1817 (and Joseph SWIFT) so yes very much related A Cab (short for Cabriolet) Proprietor was basically a taxi owner driver There will be many Tile Hills around the Country but the one you seek is a small area close or in Berkswell, there is still a Tile Hill about 3 miles from Berkswell but you would need to do a little more research to check if its the same one as in the 1871 era Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 22:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > After looking at that photo for years I never noticed the difference > in the first initials used by the 2 Swifts different. I feel really > dumb. What is a cab proprietor? Do you think the 2 Swifts were > related or is there no way to tell? Is tile Hill a place/village/city? ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've been following this thread with interest. I live just up the road from Tile Hill Village, which is now so close to Coventry that you would need to check on a map where one ends and the other begins. To further complicate matters there is also an area of Coventry called Tile Hill, or Tile Hill North, to distinguish it from the village. If you ever find a more accurate address I would be glad to check for you if the building is still there. Lianne, Coventry Sent using BlackBerry® from Orange -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Sender: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2012 23:23:31 To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Hi Ed I wouldn't feel to bad about it, you have seen that many times but I haven't so can look at it afresh and perhaps see what you have missed as you are used to seeing it I can assure you we all do it, and I mean all :-) A very good way of finding new leads and fresh information, is to get out the certificates you have and go over them again, even if you think you know them off by heart, I will guarantee you will find something new even though you have seen them many times before, sometimes a witness, sometimes an address, in the course of continued research you will have come across new places and people and these often trigger the memory cells when rereading old certs and documents Now I suspect you need to reread the information I posted earlier The J SWIFT I would suggest is Jonathan SWIFT b1812 the brother of Thomas SWIFT b1817 (and Joseph SWIFT) so yes very much related A Cab (short for Cabriolet) Proprietor was basically a taxi owner driver There will be many Tile Hills around the Country but the one you seek is a small area close or in Berkswell, there is still a Tile Hill about 3 miles from Berkswell but you would need to do a little more research to check if its the same one as in the 1871 era Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 22:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > After looking at that photo for years I never noticed the difference in the > first initials used by the 2 Swifts different. I feel really dumb. What > is a cab proprietor? Do you think the 2 Swifts were related or is there no > way to tell? Is tile Hill a place/village/city? ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ed, In the 1861 Census I found; Robert PALMER age 42 born Stoneleigh, Warwichshire a Ag Lab Mary Palmer age 32 born Morton Morrell? Warwickshire William age 11 born Stoneleigh, Warwickshire Elizabeth age 9 born " " Emma age 6 born " " Sarah A. age 4 born " " John age 1 born " " In the 1871 Census Robert age 52 and Mary Ann age 42 are still there with Sarah A. and John plus two more children, Joseph age 6 born in Stoneleigh and Eliza age 1 born in Stoneleigh and James age 4 born Stoneleigh. In the 1881 Census Robert age 61 and Mary Ann age 51 are still there with James age 15 a Bootmaker's app., Eliza age 11 a scholar and Walter age 9 a scholar born Stoneleigh. In 1891 Walter is in the Army at the Royal Artilliry Barracks Sheerness. This looks to be the death of Robert; Deaths Dec 1890 Palmer Robert 70 Warwick 6d 389 And this the death of Mary Ann; Deaths Mar 1891 Palmer Mary Ann 59 Warwick 6d 427 I am going away early tomorrow morning and won;t be back till Sunday the 9th, if no other person has been able to help, I would be quite happy (if you have broadband) to send you the original Census for 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881. I could also try and chase upon some of the other children. Regards, Colin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Palmer" <epalmer@pipertonpolice.org> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Edith Annie Gilkes > I am trying to trace my Great-G Grandfathers family in England. > > My Great Gr Grandfather was named William Palmer and he was born in 1850. > His parents were Robert Palmer and Mary Ann Mann. He married Ellen Swift > in > Birmingam in 1870 and according to what I can surmise they immigrated to > the > U.S. in 1872. I'd like to know about William's siblings and other family > members who were left behind in the UK. I can find no record of their > arrival on any ship or any indication they were naturalized even though in > the U S census that is indicated. > > I have an old photo of a grass topped hut and on the back of the photo it > is > labeled "Tile Hill" and the words "presnted to him by his employer Thomas > Swift. Leads me to believe that William Palmer may have married the > bosses > daughter. They were married in the Parish Church of St Thomas in > Birmingham. > > Any help that anyone can give will be really appreciated. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ed I wouldn't feel to bad about it, you have seen that many times but I haven't so can look at it afresh and perhaps see what you have missed as you are used to seeing it I can assure you we all do it, and I mean all :-) A very good way of finding new leads and fresh information, is to get out the certificates you have and go over them again, even if you think you know them off by heart, I will guarantee you will find something new even though you have seen them many times before, sometimes a witness, sometimes an address, in the course of continued research you will have come across new places and people and these often trigger the memory cells when rereading old certs and documents Now I suspect you need to reread the information I posted earlier The J SWIFT I would suggest is Jonathan SWIFT b1812 the brother of Thomas SWIFT b1817 (and Joseph SWIFT) so yes very much related A Cab (short for Cabriolet) Proprietor was basically a taxi owner driver There will be many Tile Hills around the Country but the one you seek is a small area close or in Berkswell, there is still a Tile Hill about 3 miles from Berkswell but you would need to do a little more research to check if its the same one as in the 1871 era Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 22:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > After looking at that photo for years I never noticed the difference in the > first initials used by the 2 Swifts different. I feel really dumb. What > is a cab proprietor? Do you think the 2 Swifts were related or is there no > way to tell? Is tile Hill a place/village/city?

Just a small addition Your described "grass topped hut" in the picture was in fact a rather nice thatched cottage but as to if it was called Tile Hill I doubt it I suspect it was *a* cottage in Tile Hill The employer of William PALMER you thought was Thomas SWIFT, I would suggest is J SWIFT , could that be Jonathan SWIFT perhaps ? He was a Cab Proprietor Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Turning to the 1870 marriage cert for which you have nice confirmation > in the unofficial certificate which gives the date and Church, it must > be some time later as the date is preprinted as 188..... but does > confirm its the right marriage

Hi again Ed Some better news Not sure how you ended up with the 1849 Ellen born in Lancashire but as I said things were more difficult then with less access to records Her parents were James and Jane , James died and Jane remarried to a John MORECROFT but not connected to your SWIFTs ================== Turning to the 1870 marriage cert for which you have nice confirmation in the unofficial certificate which gives the date and Church, it must be some time later as the date is preprinted as 188..... but does confirm its the right marriage The official cert shows that they had two witnesses, Thomas SWIFT and Louisa SWIFT William PALMER was a bachelor of full age abode No2 Back of 49 Holliday street , father Robert a Labourer Ellen was age 20 a spinster abode 4 Bishopsgate terrace father Thomas SWIFT a Labourer (neither father recorded as deceased although that may not be the case) I looked high and low for a Louisa SWIFT either as a sibling or cousin of Ellen, but found none To cut a long story short, I checked the siblings of the Ellen born 1852 Berkswell I looked for Thomas and finding one that looked promising in 1871 close to the time of the marriage as follows 1871 England Census about Thomas Swift Name: Thomas Swift Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Brother Gender: Male Where born: Backwell, Warwickshire, England (Berkswell) Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 3101 Folio: 33 Page Number: 26 Household Members: Name Age William Swift 32 Vivixa Swift 27 (Vivixa is actually Louisa) William Swift 5 John Swift 4 Eliza Trussell 53 (mother in law) Thomas Swift 22 (brother to William head of household, born Berkswell) RG10; Piece: 3101; Folio: 33; Page: 26; GSU roll: 839571. The aboves marriage registration Marriages Dec 1862 Swift William Kings N 6c 709 Trussell Louisa Kings N 6c 709 So I would say that the witnesses at Ellens wedding were her brother Thomas and sister in law Louisa Now I wanted a little more proof we have the right Ellen SWIFT Looking again at the 1870 marriage cert there are two addresses, nothing very interesting at or near the Holliday street address, but looking at the 1871 for Bishopsgate terrace I noticed a Mark SWIFT with wife Sarah born Strensham Worcestershire Not having found the Mark previously I wondered whose he was, Ellen had no Mark as sibling I then looked to see if I could find any SWIFT with a connection to Tile Hill I found just one a Sarah SWIFT living at a property enumerated as Tile Hill nr Coventry in 1911 A coincidence perhaps , Tile Hill appears to be an area rather than just one specific property To cut another long story short, she turns out to be the widow of the Mark found at 5 Bishopsgate terrace in 1871, Mark was the son of a Jonathan SWIFT born 1812 or 1813 Hampton in Arden, near Balsall Common, Jonathan was a brother of Thomas Thomas's baptism Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Thomas Swift Name: Thomas Swift Parish: Hampton in Arden Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1817 Father's Name: William Swift Mother's Name: Anne Swift I will send some snippets off list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Ed > > Just to say that I have the images and can say with reasonable certainly the > birth cert you have is the wrong young lady > > They are proving to be a troublesome bunch though but as soon as I think I > have something more concrete I will post again > > At least the PALMER side looks correct :-)

Hi Ed Just to say that I have the images and can say with reasonable certainly the birth cert you have is the wrong young lady They are proving to be a troublesome bunch though but as soon as I think I have something more concrete I will post again At least the PALMER side looks correct :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 19:13, Ed Palmer wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I am beginning to think Norvard may be exactly right > and I have chosen the wrong person to investigate. Hopefully, He will be > able to tell from the documents I emailed him a few minutes ago. Thanks > again. All I have right now is William's immediate family. So I cannot > answer if we may have a connection somewhere farther back..

After looking at that photo for years I never noticed the difference in the first initials used by the 2 Swifts different. I feel really dumb. What is a cab proprietor? Do you think the 2 Swifts were related or is there no way to tell? Is tile Hill a place/village/city? -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:47 PM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] William PALMER - Ellen SWIFT Just a small addition Your described "grass topped hut" in the picture was in fact a rather nice thatched cottage but as to if it was called Tile Hill I doubt it I suspect it was *a* cottage in Tile Hill The employer of William PALMER you thought was Thomas SWIFT, I would suggest is J SWIFT , could that be Jonathan SWIFT perhaps ? He was a Cab Proprietor Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Turning to the 1870 marriage cert for which you have nice confirmation > in the unofficial certificate which gives the date and Church, it must > be some time later as the date is preprinted as 188..... but does > confirm its the right marriage ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry forgot to ask where they went to in the USA Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 16:19, Ed Palmer wrote: > Hello, > I have an old Family Bible entry listing William and Ellen's marriage. I > will e mail them to you as soonn as I can get them scanned. Thanks so much > for your patience and replies. > Ed

Hi again You are most welcome The bible is good evidence to have so you can have confidence that is correct, the William PALMER I believe to also be correct, I am not so convinced you have the right Ellen though As it happens I have both SWIFTs and PALMERs (x 2 sets) but not connected to yours unfortunately Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 16:19, Ed Palmer wrote: > Hello, > I have an old Family Bible entry listing William and Ellen's marriage. I > will e mail them to you as soonn as I can get them scanned. Thanks so much > for your patience and replies. > Ed

Hi again As things were not quite so easy as they are now I would suggest a little checking to confirm you have the right people If you can scan the documents you have and email a copy off list I am more than happy to take a look at them for you I suspect you may have got hold of the wrong birth cert for Ellen perhaps, is there any other evidence she was born anywhere other than Warwickshire? I presume you have some evidence from the US side that Ellen was a SWIFT and they married in 1870 ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/08/2012 15:57, Ed Palmer wrote: > > he birth information I have for Ellen is from a birth certificate of sorts > (it is actually a copy of a document registration I obtained from some where > in the UK about 25 years ago. I can't remember what agency supplied it to > me. It is also the same place I obtained a copy of William and Ellen's > marriage certificate. Please forgive me for not remembering where I > received this info. > > An earlier response to my inquiry today informed me that Robert Palmer and > Mary are in the 1861 UK census and my William is listed (correct age > anyway). > They are in Stoneleigh, Warwickshire. > > By 1871 William and Ellen may have immmigrated. I will try and scan the > documents I have and include them as text in my next post.