It seems there was one side of the parish with clay soil, hence clay side. No particular address, as it covered quite an area - the 'clay side' of Tanworth parish. See http://www.solihull-online.com/salter-st.htm , seventh paragraph. Regards Roger -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gus Tysoe Sent: 27 October 2012 06:57 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Tanworth Hello Bob, I can't find a Clay Side on today's OS map, but there IS a Clay Bank Farm lying to the East of the B4102 immediately to the South of Earlswood. Where did you get the address from? And if not a Census, what date? A little more context usually helps. Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Douglas Sent: 26 October 2012 16:43 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Tanworth Hi Found a couple of my Tanworth ancestors lived at Clay Side Tanworth Anyone have a clue where this might be? Bob ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gus This was from 17thC Hearth Tax returns A lot of Tanworth was in the Clay Side part Bob -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gus Tysoe Sent: 27 October 2012 06:57 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Tanworth Hello Bob, I can't find a Clay Side on today's OS map, but there IS a Clay Bank Farm lying to the East of the B4102 immediately to the South of Earlswood. Where did you get the address from? And if not a Census, what date? A little more context usually helps. Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Douglas Sent: 26 October 2012 16:43 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Tanworth Hi Found a couple of my Tanworth ancestors lived at Clay Side Tanworth Anyone have a clue where this might be? Bob ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bob, I can't find a Clay Side on today's OS map, but there IS a Clay Bank Farm lying to the East of the B4102 immediately to the South of Earlswood. Where did you get the address from? And if not a Census, what date? A little more context usually helps. Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Douglas Sent: 26 October 2012 16:43 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Tanworth Hi Found a couple of my Tanworth ancestors lived at Clay Side Tanworth Anyone have a clue where this might be? Bob ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Found a couple of my Tanworth ancestors lived at Clay Side Tanworth Anyone have a clue where this might be? Bob

Yes you can sort out the two Exhalls, but probably not from the Warwickshire online parish registers unless there are "abodes" noted on the page which list places that occur in one of the parishes, but not the other. I believe each church is dedicated to the same saint, which makes confusion even more likely :-( However, the Bishops Transcripts [these end in 1837 for marriages, and most others end 1840s] for the two Exhalls fall into different dioceses. Exhall-juxta-Coventry is in the old diocese of Lichfield - where its BTs are held; Exhall-juxta-Alcester falls into Worcester...where its BTs will be. You MAY be able to work it out from the IGI/FamilySearch as some of their indexes were made from BTs, it takes a bit of clicking through film numbers/sources to get to the actual source, but it may sort out the problem. Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: William Leece To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: [WAR] Arch family of Warwickshire - which village? Hello all, The trail of my mother's family leads back to Berkswell where the graves of my gt gt gt grand parents Joseph Arch (1774-1840) and his second wife Elizabeth (nee Riley), 1790-1860, lie close to the church. He appears to be the Joseph Arch, son of James and Mary Arch, baptised at Exhall in July 1773. Is there any quick way of finding if this is the Exhall in modern suburban Coventry or the Exhall near Stratford? There seem to have been Arches in Berkswell right back to the 17th century. Has anyone pedigreed the wider Arch family of Berkswell, or is that something that can done to keep me out of trouble? Thanks in advance, William Leece Liverpool ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, The trail of my mother's family leads back to Berkswell where the graves of my gt gt gt grand parents Joseph Arch (1774-1840) and his second wife Elizabeth (nee Riley), 1790-1860, lie close to the church. He appears to be the Joseph Arch, son of James and Mary Arch, baptised at Exhall in July 1773. Is there any quick way of finding if this is the Exhall in modern suburban Coventry or the Exhall near Stratford? There seem to have been Arches in Berkswell right back to the 17th century. Has anyone pedigreed the wider Arch family of Berkswell, or is that something that can done to keep me out of trouble? Thanks in advance, William Leece Liverpool

Couldn't resist this ! Don't know whether it will get past the Rootsweb gestapo ? Anne> From: carolandfranksr@gmail.com > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:16:01 -0400 > Subject: [WAR] Occupation question please > > I would like to know what a Beadle is > Occupation - Beadle and Town Crier > > also > > What is a Segt. at home? > > Many thanks > Carol

As the text of the message I sent to the list yesterday appears to have evaporated, I am repeating the information here, even though Nivard has already found H T Adams's office. The Leamington Spa Courier of 17 April 1886 reported that his application to be Sergeant-at-mace had been accepted and that applications were invited to replace him as Town Crier. In another report on the proceedings of the Warwick Town Council meeting, dated 16 November 1889, we learn that H T Adams was reappointed as Sergeant-at-mace and J. Oldham as Beadle & Town Crier. H T Adams was also a Bread Weigher & Ale Taster, inter alia, for that year. As the local paper always included virtually full minutes of Council meetings, a further search would no doubt bring up further details. It would really help if people did not send in queries without giving as much detail as possible. Had it been mentioned immediately that the titles appeared in the Warwick census, they could have been checked immediately either in a directory, where Nivard found them, or in the newspaper. The whole Leamington Spa Courier is not yet on line in the British Newspaper Archive, but most of the 19th century is there, beginning in 1828, if I remember correctly. MAR in France. > Message du 25/10/12 22:32 > De : "ramaix" > A : "Nivard Ovington" , warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Beadle etc - Henry Thomas Adams born about 1855 Kenilworth > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A snippet more Kellys Directory 1900 Warwickshire Warwick Officers of the Corporation Sergeant at Mace & Market Toll Collector, Henry Thos ADAMS 43 Jury street Beadle & Town Crier, John OLDHAM, 12 Castle street Yeoman Beadle, Christopher E GREEN, 55 Mill street As you will see the Beadle & Town Crier occupation is clear and lends weight to the 1881 occupation being correct Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/10/2012 20:05, Carol Kennedy wrote: > On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle > or Muni means. > and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home > > Thank You > Carol

The 1881 census image is tricky to read as there are several pen strokes across the page, but it does look like Beadle rather than Bearer. Wikipedia has a good definition of what a beadle did, but agree that he was a civic functionary, working for the council. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beadle I suspect as the nineteenth century drew to a close, his job changed to be more ceremonial and less town crier/messenger. Ellen Hi Carol I think you need to carefully examine the census page images and not rely on the transcriptions My interpretation would be In 1891 Warwick Corporation Mace Bearer In 1901 he is a Mace Bearer to Warwick Town Council & Curator of Museum In 1911 he is a Sergt at Mace - Boro' Council I suspect the 1881 entry is Bearer & Town Crier (muni) Muni = Municipal (ie to do with the Town Council) Which is more in keeping with an occupation in 1881 In other words he worked for the Council and was the Official Mace Carrier at civic events (before the Mayor etc) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle > or Muni means. > and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home > > Thank You > Carol

As I just posted I do not think he was a Beadle but rather a Bearer in 1881 I wondered why he was a Beadle at age 26 which seemed rather young for what is a demanding post of stature, usually carried out by an older and more experienced man Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/10/2012 20:17, Carol Kennedy wrote: > Is it possible the name Beadle means Bugle. > Perhaps besides being a Town Crier he made announcements with a Bugle? > Carp;

Hi Carol I think you need to carefully examine the census page images and not rely on the transcriptions My interpretation would be In 1891 Warwick Corporation Mace Bearer In 1901 he is a Mace Bearer to Warwick Town Council & Curator of Museum In 1911 he is a Sergt at Mace - Boro' Council I suspect the 1881 entry is Bearer & Town Crier (muni) Muni = Municipal (ie to do with the Town Council) Which is more in keeping with an occupation in 1881 In other words he worked for the Council and was the Official Mace Carrier at civic events (before the Mayor etc) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 25/10/2012 20:05, Carol Kennedy wrote: > On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle > or Muni means. > and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home > > Thank You > Carol

Carol The 1911 census image reads as Sergt at Mace working for the Boro Council. 1881 census - Henry is in Warwick and I would imagine that Muni means Municipal - it's an addition, probably done by the statisticians to categorise his occupation under local government. Best Wishes Ellen ________________________________ From: Carol Kennedy <carolandfranksr@gmail.com> To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 20:05 Subject: [WAR] Beadle etc - Henry Thomas Adams born about 1855 Kenilworth On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle or Muni means. and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home Thank You Carol

Hi Peter Just because a person worked for a Church or Institution does not mean they were absolutely loyal to them, a jobs a job after all :-) The most well known Beadle is probably Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I have come across the term in parish records, specifically I know that > George ALLEN (c.1765-1837) of Thorp Street in Birmingham was beadle of St > Paul's chapel in the said city. So thanks to this thread and your wikipedia > link looks very plausible for him, I now have an idea of what he did! Mind > you, he does not seem to have been very loyal - most of his families > christenings and burials seems to have taken place at St Martin. > > Regards > Peter

Hello Nivard, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Occupation question please > > Much depends on the era > > I expect Carol will tell us in due course where she found the information I have come across the term in parish records, specifically I know that George ALLEN (c.1765-1837) of Thorp Street in Birmingham was beadle of St Paul's chapel in the said city. So thanks to this thread and your wikipedia link looks very plausible for him, I now have an idea of what he did! Mind you, he does not seem to have been very loyal - most of his families christenings and burials seems to have taken place at St Martin. Regards Peter

http://www.worldthroughthelens.com/family-history/old-occupations.php A beadle was an officer of the parish, whose job it was to keep the peace. He also served as the town crier. Mary On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Carol Kennedy" <carolandfranksr@gmail.com> wrote: > On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle > or Muni means. > and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home > > Thank You > Carol > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Today, in America, Muni would be a shortened term for Municipal. Could the job have been Municipal town crier, perhaps meaning that the job was only within the stated municipality (meaning town or village)? Beadle sounds as if it might be a weaving related term. On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:05 PM, "Carol Kennedy" <carolandfranksr@gmail.com> wrote: > On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle > or Muni means. > and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home > > Thank You > Carol > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it possible the name Beadle means Bugle. Perhaps besides being a Town Crier he made announcements with a Bugle? Carp;

On the 1881 Census - Beadle And Town Crier (Muni) = have no clue what Beadle or Muni means. and the 1911 Census Sergt-at-home Thank You Carol