Morning all Just released on Ancestry Although entitled "Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955" So far its contents are for Warwickshire and Birmingham Interestingly it also includes many Absent voters lists -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Yes I had one will from Warwickshire RO in the past but this is relatively unusual Wills mostly are at Worcester or Lichfield Apart from Birmingham, my Warwicks ancestors are from three adjacent parishes Packwood, Tanworth and Solihull Confusingly wills for these parishes are located at different RO's Packwood was a peculiar. Wills were proved in the Manorial Court of Packwood and are held at Warwicks RO Tanworth was in the diocese of Worcester and wills are held at Worcester RO Solihull was in the diocese of Lichfield and wills are held at Lichfield RO So it can really get confusing Bob -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Booth Sent: 14 November 2012 09:53 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Harper "Thank You" and New Question Thanks for the information, Gus. I have obtained a few Wills from Warwicks Record Office in the past, but you are correct in that Warwicks wills seem to be dotted all over the place. Shakespeare Centre Library and Archive seem to hold quite a few as well. Lichfield RO have only indexed wills up to 1730 online at present so I think I would contact them first to see if they hold this particular Will. Janet

Thanks for the information, Gus. I have obtained a few Wills from Warwicks Record Office in the past, but you are correct in that Warwicks wills seem to be dotted all over the place. Shakespeare Centre Library and Archive seem to hold quite a few as well. Lichfield RO have only indexed wills up to 1730 online at present so I think I would contact them first to see if they hold this particular Will. Janet Sorry, Janet, because it's extremely likely she'd be wasting her time :-( Unless, that is, it was in a decidedly-peculiar "peculiar" and the Will isn't held by the Diocesan Archives. About half of Warwickshire at that time was in Lichfield and Coventry Diocese [and the remainder in Worcester Diocese] and so Warwickshire Record Office doesn't hold more than a few 'stray' Wills. Lichfield Record Office *should* hold this Will. I know that *some* of their Wills Collection has been indexed and are on-line at their site, but I suspect they haven't yet reached the late 1700s.

Hi Eileen Much the same experience here They appear to have many hoops they require you to jump through and having completed the assault course and registered, registered again (different type of registration) then confirmed I really did want to register I was then asked to fill in war and peace before they kindly told me I can't see it When I queried this they said I would have to give them a short essay on why I wanted to see it and they would ask the depositor They asked how I intended to use the data, I pointed out that as I haven't seen it I can't evaluate if its of any use to me or anyone else At that point I said I gave up and asked them to pass my comments back that it would be far easier if they put a message up not to bother trying All in all not a happy experience Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/11/2012 22:59, Eileen Stonely Phelps wrote: > This is the reply I received after contacting the UK Data Archive about > the Parish Maps. I promised to let the readers know. Apparently my > login was not accepted either, though I got no negative feedback at the > time I registered. > > I have to say that I don't agree that these maps wouldn't be helpful to > genealogists, but I suppose there are people who think only lists of > names with christenings and burials are useful to genealogists. Oh, well. > Eileen

This is the reply I received after contacting the UK Data Archive about the Parish Maps. I promised to let the readers know. Apparently my login was not accepted either, though I got no negative feedback at the time I registered. I have to say that I don't agree that these maps wouldn't be helpful to genealogists, but I suppose there are people who think only lists of names with christenings and burials are useful to genealogists. Oh, well. Eileen "The username eileenph is not valid for logging into ESDS and if you did log into an online resource with that username, it was not the ESDS Catalogue. You would, therefore, need to apply for a UK Data Archive username and password and then subsequently register with ESDS to log in with our service. However, before you take any action to register I would suggest you write to my colleagues in the History Data Service to seek advice on SN 4348 'Historic Parishes of England and Wales : an Electronic Map of Boundaries before 1850 with a Gazetteer and Metadata'. This is because the access conditions for this study (as specified by Kain and Oliver) is that this item is available /only to individuals in UK Higher and Further education/. Please see the Catalogue Record: http://www.esds.ac.uk/findingData/snDescription.asp?sn=4348 Please advise users that this study would not be useful for genealogical research Access Conditions: The depositor has specified that registration is required and standard conditions of use apply. The depositor may be informed about usage. See terms and conditions for further information. Available to all users based in HE/FE institutions, for not-for-profit educational and research purposes only. Please write to the History Data Service (hds@essex.ac.uk <mailto:hds@essex.ac.uk>) and explain, in as much detail as possible, why you would like to access SN 4348. Your request can be put to Roger Kain and it is possible he might make an exception to the normal access conditions and make it available to you. I hope this is helpful. "

Coleshill pre-1837 comes under Lichfield so if Carol knows the name of the testator and the date, I'm sure Lichfield Record Office would be able to say whether or not they have any such will. The details of how to obtain copies will be on the website. I couldn't find any reference to Coleshill being a peculiar, but then I only did a cursory search. Interestingly, there was a peculiar called Coleshill in Hertfordshire (now Bedfordshire). Could two peculiars of the same name be considered peculiar?! MAR in France. > Message du 13/11/12 10:58 > De : "Gus Tysoe" > A : warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Harper "Thank You" and New Question > > Sorry, Janet, because it's extremely likely she'd be wasting her time :-( > Unless, that is, it was in a decidedly-peculiar "peculiar" and the Will > isn't held by the Diocesan Archives. > > About half of Warwickshire at that time was in Lichfield and Coventry > Diocese [and the remainder in Worcester Diocese] and so Warwickshire Record > Office doesn't hold more than a few 'stray' Wills. > > Lichfield Record Office *should* hold this Will. I know that *some* of their > Wills Collection has been indexed and are on-line at their site, but I > suspect they haven't yet reached the late 1700s. > > HTH > > Gus > > > > Have you tried contacting Warwickshire Record Office by email to see if they > > hold a copy and if so whether they could copy it and how much it would cost? > > Janet > > > > An ancestor died in Meriden and the will was proved in Coleshill in 1797. > I searched the net to find out how to obtain info and got nowhere. > I wonder if there's a way to find where and how to obtain the will easily > from overseas. > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, Janet, because it's extremely likely she'd be wasting her time :-( Unless, that is, it was in a decidedly-peculiar "peculiar" and the Will isn't held by the Diocesan Archives. About half of Warwickshire at that time was in Lichfield and Coventry Diocese [and the remainder in Worcester Diocese] and so Warwickshire Record Office doesn't hold more than a few 'stray' Wills. Lichfield Record Office *should* hold this Will. I know that *some* of their Wills Collection has been indexed and are on-line at their site, but I suspect they haven't yet reached the late 1700s. HTH Gus Have you tried contacting Warwickshire Record Office by email to see if they hold a copy and if so whether they could copy it and how much it would cost? Janet An ancestor died in Meriden and the will was proved in Coleshill in 1797. I searched the net to find out how to obtain info and got nowhere. I wonder if there's a way to find where and how to obtain the will easily from overseas.

Have you tried contacting Warwickshire Record Office by email to see if they hold a copy and if so whether they could copy it and how much it would cost? Janet An ancestor died in Meriden and the will was proved in Coleshill in 1797. I searched the net to find out how to obtain info and got nowhere. I wonder if there's a way to find where and how to obtain the will easily from overseas.

Thank you everyone for your Harper suggestions. I will use your suggestions in my quest. I have a new question please. An ancestor died in Meriden and the will was proved in Coleshill in 1797. I searched the net to find out how to obtain info and got nowhere. I wonder if there's a way to find where and how to obtain the will easily from overseas. Thanks again Carol

Hi Robyn Would you care to explain what you mean please? Do you mean the Chelsea pension records or ? If you could post a link it would help greatly to understand where you are finding the information you describe Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 11/11/2012 21:15, Robyn Shaw wrote: > Not for me Tony...you go to the National Archives, England. Remembering I > am in Qld. Australia. > > Then... looking for a person....military entries come up, e.g. 1900 to 1913 > etc..before WW1, etc.. > > You go to... British Forces in India or... Indian Army Personnel sections, > really two sections, I went for Indian Army Personnel as you can do a > search by NAME and don't have to know anything else. > > Great section for war information lots of different sections you can > search. It is a great site. > > Robyn in Oz

Nivard, not terribly computer literate, I always go for the simple way. Looking for service personnel? OK....type into google (or your search engine) National Archives, England. Site comes up on page, click it. Their page comes up on screen. On the page, there is a sort of space, at the top, on the right hand side, where you can put details of what you want....I put in there, Soldier Records. Page comes up, and on R H side there are hints e.g. look up by number, regiment. etc.. ONE says, looking for a person, I click that. Page comes up and it has sections about army personnel...e.g. WW1 etc..and two of the offers are African Forces and Indian Army. I went for Indian Army. My rellie, John McCaughey, pron. McCoy, went there when he was 20 in 1866. He was born in Ireland but maybe took up Presbyterian religion to join perhaps?? He had a tribe of children there, being transferred around a bit, and all died at birth or shortly after. Last one born 1879 lived - YES. He came to Qld, in Australia. That page, with all sorts of records you can access, is the best site for soldiers I reckon anywhere. Hope that helps anyone wanting records of their soldiers in many fields of war. I wrote to the offices in India and got his birth certificate. George Henry McCaughey. They sent it to me by mail. What a find specially as all the others had no record of their being on earth even. Think from memory she had about 6 who died before she had George. Must have been terrible. Robyn, Qld. Oz On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Robyn > > Would you care to explain what you mean please? > > Do you mean the Chelsea pension records or ? > > If you could post a link it would help greatly to understand where you > are finding the information you describe > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 11/11/2012 21:15, Robyn Shaw wrote: > > Not for me Tony...you go to the National Archives, England. Remembering > I > > am in Qld. Australia. > > > > Then... looking for a person....military entries come up, e.g. 1900 to > 1913 > > etc..before WW1, etc.. > > > > You go to... British Forces in India or... Indian Army Personnel > sections, > > really two sections, I went for Indian Army Personnel as you can do a > > search by NAME and don't have to know anything else. > > > > Great section for war information lots of different sections you can > > search. It is a great site. > > > > Robyn in Oz > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

The entries on FIBIS are the parochial registers of the three Indian Presidencies of which it is thought only about 70% survive. These are from all Parishioners and not just the military and regardless of whether they came from Warwickshire - just to pull thread back!. Tony -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: 10 November 2012 23:48 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] HARPER, Humphrey - Meriden, Warwickshire Hi Robyn Are you perhaps thinking of :- http://www.new.fibis.org/ Its probably more accurate to say some soldiers in India though Certainly worth trying Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2012 23:26, Robyn Shaw wrote: > Carol, British forces in India are available from a site on the internet. > My rellie was there in the 1870's. Got the birth certificate for his son. > I put into site search. British Soldiers in India. Have a go. Robyn > ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not for me Tony...you go to the National Archives, England. Remembering I am in Qld. Australia. Then... looking for a person....military entries come up, e.g. 1900 to 1913 etc..before WW1, etc.. You go to... British Forces in India or... Indian Army Personnel sections, really two sections, I went for Indian Army Personnel as you can do a search by NAME and don't have to know anything else. Great section for war information lots of different sections you can search. It is a great site. Robyn in Oz On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Tony Knight <knight.tony@btinternet.com>wrote: > The entries on FIBIS are the parochial registers of the three Indian > Presidencies of which it is thought only about 70% survive. These are from > all Parishioners and not just the military and regardless of whether they > came from Warwickshire - just to pull thread back!. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: 10 November 2012 23:48 > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] HARPER, Humphrey - Meriden, Warwickshire > > Hi Robyn > > Are you perhaps thinking of :- > > http://www.new.fibis.org/ > > Its probably more accurate to say some soldiers in India though > > Certainly worth trying > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 10/11/2012 23:26, Robyn Shaw wrote: > > Carol, British forces in India are available from a site on the internet. > > My rellie was there in the 1870's. Got the birth certificate for his > son. > > I put into site search. British Soldiers in India. Have a go. Robyn > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Carol, >From Ancestry's Warwickshire Parish Register images: 5 June 1724 at Coventry Holy Trinity Humphrey HARPER & Sarah DOCKER 21 January 1724/5 at Rugby Sarah HARPER daughter of Humphrey & Sarah baptised 5 October 1727 at Kenilworth Elizabeth HARPER daughter of Humphrey baptised (not sure about this one - Ancestry have the surname as HARPER but it looks more like HOOPER to me 11 September 1732 at Meriden Humphrey son of Humphrey & Sarah HARPER baptised 15 August 1734 at Meriden Mary daughter of Humphrey & Sarah HARPER baptised 8 January 1741/2 at Meriden Humphrey HARPER junior buried 21 November 1747 at Meriden Mr Humphrey HARPER, Chief Constable, buried Going back a generation: 21 September 1698 at Meriden Humfry son of Humfry HARPER baptised There is an entry in the parish register of Meriden on 15th February 1674 (presumably 1674/5) of a marriage at Coventry between Humphry HARPER & Mary FOILE (I think that is the surname). Some other children to this couple and the parish register images of Meriden start in 1646, so it could be worth your while browsing through the images on Ancestry. Janet Subject: [WAR] HARPER, Humphrey - Meriden, Warwickshire Some years ago I was told by an avid researcher that Humphrey Harper born Sept 28, 1698 married twice and had 3 children. I found that he married Sarah Smith in 1731......but have not found the 2nd wife nor a 3rd child.

Carol, British forces in India are available from a site on the internet. My rellie was there in the 1870's. Got the birth certificate for his son. I put into site search. British Soldiers in India. Have a go. Robyn On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Carol Kennedy <carolandfranksr@gmail.com>wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Some years ago I was told by an avid researcher that Humphrey Harper born > Sept 28, 1698 married twice and had 3 children. > I found that he married Sarah Smith in 1731......but have not found the 2nd > wife nor a 3rd child. > > His oldest child Humphrey Harper born ? was a Professional soldier. In 1767 > he was in > India....... > I have no more info for him. > > Does anyone else have info for this family? > Kind Regards > Carol > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Carol, FamilySearch has a marriage, also at Coventry, of Humphrey Harper to Sarah Docker 5 June 1724. Peter Hello everyone, Some years ago I was told by an avid researcher that Humphrey Harper born Sept 28, 1698 married twice and had 3 children. I found that he married Sarah Smith in 1731......but have not found the 2nd wife nor a 3rd child. His oldest child Humphrey Harper born ? was a Professional soldier. In 1767 he was in India....... I have no more info for him. Does anyone else have info for this family? Kind Regards Carol

Hi Robyn Are you perhaps thinking of :- http://www.new.fibis.org/ Its probably more accurate to say some soldiers in India though Certainly worth trying Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/11/2012 23:26, Robyn Shaw wrote: > Carol, British forces in India are available from a site on the internet. > My rellie was there in the 1870's. Got the birth certificate for his son. > I put into site search. British Soldiers in India. Have a go. Robyn >

Hello everyone, Some years ago I was told by an avid researcher that Humphrey Harper born Sept 28, 1698 married twice and had 3 children. I found that he married Sarah Smith in 1731......but have not found the 2nd wife nor a 3rd child. His oldest child Humphrey Harper born ? was a Professional soldier. In 1767 he was in India....... I have no more info for him. Does anyone else have info for this family? Kind Regards Carol

This was posted by the Federation of Family History Societies. Birmingham Archives and Heritage CLOSURE OF THE ARCHIVES SEARCHROOM IN PREPARATION FOR THE TRANSFER OF STOCK TO THE NEW LIBRARY OF BIRMINGHAM >From the week commencing Monday 26th November 2012, the archives search room of Birmingham Archives and Heritage Service will be closed to enable the preparation, packaging and removal of stock to the new Library of Birmingham. The last day the archives search room will be open will be Friday 23rd November 2012. We will re-open on 3rd September 2013. We regret the inconvenience this is likely to cause to our users. A new Library of Birmingham website will be launched soon and this will include contact details for the new Library. The open access family and local history collections remain available throughout December and more details on timetabling will be released in due course. Regards Jackie Cotterill Birmingham & Midland Society for Genealogy & Heraldry 5 Sanderling Court Spennells Kidderminster Worcs, DY10 4TS Tel/Fax: 01562 743912 www: bmsgh.org -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter J Richardson Sent: 09 November 2012 22:40 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Birmingham Archives Dear List, I visited Birmingham Central Library for the first time in a few months and I saw that the archives (that is the enclosed area) is due for closure two weeks today, the last day being Friday 23rd November and then I suspect that you will need to wait for the new library to open before getting access to the things stored there. The top three floors of the library are now reduced to three day opening (Weds, Thurs, Fri) and I believe the archives are running an appointment system to be sure to book ahead if you want to go. I believe that the self-service microfilm service will still continue after the 23rd but I do not know how long for as I am sure that there will come a time when those also need to be transported to their new home. As I walked from the car park to the library I noticed that the new library has soared impressively out of the ground since my last visit, but it will still take a while for things to be sorted out - the opening date is currently set as being 3rd September 2013. Regards Peter ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I visited Birmingham Central Library for the first time in a few months and I saw that the archives (that is the enclosed area) is due for closure two weeks today, the last day being Friday 23rd November and then I suspect that you will need to wait for the new library to open before getting access to the things stored there. The top three floors of the library are now reduced to three day opening (Weds, Thurs, Fri) and I believe the archives are running an appointment system to be sure to book ahead if you want to go. I believe that the self-service microfilm service will still continue after the 23rd but I do not know how long for as I am sure that there will come a time when those also need to be transported to their new home. As I walked from the car park to the library I noticed that the new library has soared impressively out of the ground since my last visit, but it will still take a while for things to be sorted out - the opening date is currently set as being 3rd September 2013. Regards Peter