There is an entry in National Archives showing that she was living at Wormleighton and the entry is dated 1781 Velda Sent from my iPad On 4 Jan 2013, at 08:07, "Anne Chapman" <dhundhu@live.com> wrote: > Hello again Everyone, I am back after a short spell. > Just wondering if there is any lister researching this Horn family from Harbury or the surrounding area. I have come across a Jane Hiorn, of Harbury who was charged for killing her "natural born" child. Has anyone else come across this item -- sorry the date is unknown, Would like to know what happened to Jane, If anyone has this information, would really like to contact them > Anne Chapman (nee Horne) > My main research is in the family of Richard Horn (Butcher of Bishops Itchington) and his wife, formerly Elizabeth Waste/West who married at Coventry in 1749. About half their children were bapt at Burton Dassett and the rest at Bishops tchington, > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I am hoping someone may be able to help me find out a bit about a second cousin who lived in Warwickshire for a number of years. He was Terence Charles Henderson, born in Penang in 1919, and brought up in Bexhill, East Sussex. In 1956 he married Mary Margaret Webb in Shipstone on Stour, Warwickshire. I believe they had 5 children, one of whom I believe was/is Katherine. Terence's wife died in Stratford on Avon in 1975. In 1883 Terence married again in Warwick and Lemington. All of these events suggest a long association with the county. Terence died in 1989 in Carmarthenshire, Wales. Apart from the above I know nothing about Terence's life other than wartime mentions, being in the officer cadet training unit in 1940, and recommendations for honours and awards in 1945. He was also a keen cricketer in his youth. I would be grateful if anyone is in a position to fill in any of the large gaps in his biography during his time in Warwickshire, or suggest lines of research open to me. Best wishes, Mary

Hi Lina, Further to my posting on Thursday I went to Worcester RO yesterday to see if they held the Marriage Licence Application and the Bishop's Transcript of Elizabeth's burial. A successful trip... The Application details: Allegation - 27 February 1813 Appeared personally Simon LUCAS of the Parish of Wootton Wawen in the County of Warwick and Diocese of Worcester, Farmer [seeking to marry] Elizabeth WHITTINGTON of the Parish of Wootton Wawen aforesaid, Spinster, a minor but with legal consent of her parent as under [licence prayed for Wootton Wawen where she had resided for four weeks past] Ann WHITTINGTON of the Parish of Wootton Wawen aforesaid, Widow, the natural and lawful mother of Elizabeth and gives her consent for her to marry Simon LUCAS Both Simon and Ann signed the document Bond - 27 February 1813 - £1,000 No additional details of the couple beyond that Simon was a Bachelor Co-Bondsman - John WHITTINGTON of Wootton Wawen, Farmer Both parties signed I didn't attempt to see the BT of the marriage as Peter had seen the original, but I would suggest that the witnesses were most likely to've been her brother and his wife. However, the way Elizabeth's name was shown in the 2 documents make me seriously wonder if the "Elizabeth Tonworth WITTINGTON" on FamilySearch's Ancestral File is no more than a "best match"... The burial... The year is wrong - unless the BT is seriously in error! The year was 1829; the entry number 520. Elizabeth LUCAS, Bottley, Jany 11th, 34, JH PARKER Officg Minsr Gus

 Thanks very much Gus. The WRO appear very organised and have done a lot of indexing which you may already know. I found the death of one of my ancestors, Elizabeth Lucas, there was an obit. I had she died Jan 1828 but the obit says she died Jan 1829. Doesnt really matter I guess. One has to go into the WRO to photograph the documents which I cant do as I'm in Australia. She died at Botley Mill near Henley-in-Arden. I'll keep looking for more. regards Lina

Hello Lina, FWIW FamilySearch would seem to indicate that Simon's bride was "Elizabeth Tonworth WITTINGTON" [note surname spelling] and that she was "born" 1792 at Longworth, Oxfordshire. ["Ancestral File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCRF-HSL : accessed 2012-12-27), entry for Elizabeth LUCAS. Submitted By (1) rsutton2506680 ] This entry is perhaps less than helpful, as at that time Longworth wasn't in Oxfordshire but in Berkshire, where it remained for roughly 180 more years before changing counties in 1974... Peter adds the helpful point that the marriage was by licence. Wootton Wawen was in Worcester Diocese, and so the odds are very high that the 'application' will have survived, and be held at Worcester Records Office. These not-infrequently give additional details that don't appear in the Marriage Register. The chances are high that her residence at death was Bearley - 'next door' to Wootton Wawen, and formerly a chapelry of it - but my references are unclear as to when it may have become ecclesiastically independent. The Bishop's Transcript may be more legible - again, in all likelihood, held at Worcester RO. As for a gravestone, the chances are approaching non-existent that a legible one may have survived unless the family was 'on the wealthy side' in 1828. Even then, it's unlikely that any sort of permanent one would've been erected as the fashion for conspicuous memorials didn't become popular until some 30 years after her death. [Of course, if Simon survived to [roughly] the 1860s it's possible that *his* might well include her details - unless he remarried...] HTH Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lina Moffitt Sent: 27 December 2012 02:53 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] LUCAS and WHITTINGTON around Wootton Wawen Tanworth area Hi I'm just starting to research this line. The earliest I have is Henry Lucas born 1762 married to Mary. Nothing else on them, except their son Simon LUCAS born 1788 Moreton Baggott, married 1st March 1813 to Elizabeth Whittington. She was born 1794 (where?) and died 11th Jan 1828 Wootton Wawen. I found a listing for burials at WW but the list commences from the decade after Elizabeth's death. Does that mean there is no headstone? She was only 34 so assume died of the plague or in childbirth. I am descended through their son Samuel born 1819 born Tanworth who ended up in NSW and married Sarah Ann Blades   Lina Moffitt JP, Ba. Arts (Psych) http://australiandoctorsww1.com/  http://linamoffitt.com http://44caliberphotography.com http://healthy-life-and-income.myneways.com.au/Nutrition/home.aspx ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lina, The WW burial register images are on Ancestry and they confirm she was buried (not died) on Jan 11th 1828. The date of death is not recorded. Her abode at the time of her death although not entirely clear (to me) I think must be Bearley. She is recorded as age 34. Her marriage to Simon in 1813 (also on Ancestry) was by licence and the witnesses were John & Elizabeth Whittington. I would hazard a guess that as the marriage was with consent of her parents that these witnesses may be them. It happens that the baptism images for 1794 (birth year extrapolated from death at 34) at Wootton Wawen are damaged so she may be there and may not. HTH Peter I'm just starting to research this line. The earliest I have is Henry Lucas born 1762 married to Mary. Nothing else on them, except their son Simon LUCAS born 1788 Moreton Baggott, married 1st March 1813 to Elizabeth Whittington. She was born 1794 (where?) and died 11th Jan 1828 Wootton Wawen. I found a listing for burials at WW but the list commences from the decade after Elizabeth's death. Does that mean there is no headstone? She was only 34 so assume died of the plague or in childbirth. I am descended through their son Samuel born 1819 born Tanworth who ended up in NSW and married Sarah Ann Blades Lina Moffitt JP, Ba. Arts (Psych)

Hi I'm just starting to research this line. The earliest I have is Henry Lucas born 1762 married to Mary. Nothing else on them, except their son Simon LUCAS born 1788 Moreton Baggott, married 1st March 1813 to Elizabeth Whittington. She was born 1794 (where?) and died 11th Jan 1828 Wootton Wawen. I found a listing for burials at WW but the list commences from the decade after Elizabeth's death. Does that mean there is no headstone? She was only 34 so assume died of the plague or in childbirth. I am descended through their son Samuel born 1819 born Tanworth who ended up in NSW and married Sarah Ann Blades   Lina Moffitt JP, Ba. Arts (Psych) http://australiandoctorsww1.com/  http://linamoffitt.com http://44caliberphotography.com http://healthy-life-and-income.myneways.com.au/Nutrition/home.aspx

BT Phone book if you are BTYahoo member Ray -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Kennedy Sent: 19 December 2012 12:41 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Finding living Relatives in England Hello from snowy Massachusetts. When I began my Warwickshire research someone showed me a site on the internet for a telephone directory. I remember you could search for a business of an individual. I looked up the name Rawlins and mailed out several letters. I did receive replies - including some that were not related to me. Otherwise, I don't know what to say. Perhaps someone knows the site I am referring to. Carol ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol: Might have been British Telecom directory enquiries: http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/search.publisha . Or possibly 192.com: http://www.192.com/. Paul On 19 December 2012 12:41, Carol Kennedy <carolandfranksr@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello from snowy Massachusetts. > > > > When I began my Warwickshire research someone showed me a site on the > internet > > for a telephone directory. I remember you could search for a business of an > individual. > > > > I looked up the name Rawlins and mailed out several letters. I did receive > replies - including > > some that were not related to me. Otherwise, I don't know what to say. > > > > Perhaps someone knows the site I am referring to. > > Carol > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol It's probably www.192.com Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Kennedy > Sent: 19 December 2012 12:41 > To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WAR] Finding living Relatives in England > > Hello from snowy Massachusetts. > > > > When I began my Warwickshire research someone showed me a > site on the internet > > for a telephone directory. I remember you could search for a > business of an individual. > > > > I looked up the name Rawlins and mailed out several letters. > I did receive replies - including > > some that were not related to me. Otherwise, I don't know > what to say. > > > > Perhaps someone knows the site I am referring to. > > Carol > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello from snowy Massachusetts. When I began my Warwickshire research someone showed me a site on the internet for a telephone directory. I remember you could search for a business of an individual. I looked up the name Rawlins and mailed out several letters. I did receive replies - including some that were not related to me. Otherwise, I don't know what to say. Perhaps someone knows the site I am referring to. Carol

Thank you to all the members who helped me find Albert and Evelyn Johnson family and family. Could anybody advise now i live in New Zealand what would be the best way to see if any members of the family still living in Warwickshire. We were wondering if a good idea to put a peice in the paper if anyone could guide what paper would be ideal up in that area. Thank you. Sue

Have you thought of the local Family History Society? In my experience local Societies are always on a look out for articles. Jenny -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of warwick-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 18 December 2012 08:01 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: WARWICK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 205 Today's Topics: 1. Johnson Family (Les & Sue Tuner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:02:49 +1300 From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [WAR] Johnson Family To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5C84CE875B52490F882506B65EAD0352@LesTurnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you to all the members who helped me find Albert and Evelyn Johnson family and family. Could anybody advise now i live in New Zealand what would be the best way to see if any members of the family still living in Warwickshire. We were wondering if a good idea to put a peice in the paper if anyone could guide what paper would be ideal up in that area. Thank you. Sue ------------------------------ To contact the WARWICK list administrator, send an email to WARWICK-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the WARWICK mailing list, send an email to WARWICK@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of WARWICK Digest, Vol 7, Issue 205 ***************************************

Hi all I have been off the list for many months, but summer has arrived in Adelaide (38) today its too hot for anything outside, so decided to catch up on my FH. Can any one help me please , I have looked everywhere for the death of my Maternal G.M Gertrude Annie Collins, nee Mann born Southam in1879, married William Henry Collins in 1900, and lived in Windsor Street, Leamington Spa. She is on the 1911 census. I believe she was know as Annie, There were four children Arthur, Daisy, Walter and Hilda. I am the oldest daughter of Daisy Ross nee Collins. If anyone is following this line, and has any info, or can make any suggestions it would be much appreciated. Have a very Happy Xmas. Many thanks Sue Brown (nee Ross ) Adelaide, South Australia

Sue, One public member tree has her death down as Q4 in the registration district of Warwick (this includes Leamington) in 1935 recorded as Annie COLLINS age 58 (this checks out on the death index). Her age at the time of her wedding in 1906 is given as 16 so the age looks right. Regards Peter Hi all I have been off the list for many months, but summer has arrived in Adelaide (38) today its too hot for anything outside, so decided to catch up on my FH. Can any one help me please , I have looked everywhere for the death of my Maternal G.M Gertrude Annie Collins, nee Mann born Southam in1879, married William Henry Collins in 1900, and lived in Windsor Street, Leamington Spa. She is on the 1911 census. I believe she was know as Annie, There were four children Arthur, Daisy, Walter and Hilda. I am the oldest daughter of Daisy Ross nee Collins. If anyone is following this line, and has any info, or can make any suggestions it would be much appreciated. Have a very Happy Xmas. Many thanks Sue Brown (nee Ross ) Adelaide, South Australia

Hello Eileen, As one who also feels the need to 'see' where ancestors lived - and their neighbourhoods - I, too, seem to spend a lot of time poring over maps... But I wouldn't imagine that Kain & Oliver's set would be much help to you in solving your problems in Birmingham - for 2 reasons... 1. the scale is too small at 1 inch to the mile; and 2. the boundaries they show for 'Birmingham proper' are no more than Registration Sub-Districts as of c.1880, which were very different from the Ecclesiastical Parishes even at that date :-( Aston is better-covered in that its boundaries are of townships/chapelries from c.1840 - taken from tithe plans, which at least were broadly ecclesiastical. Perhaps your best bet would be to use the 6-in to the mile [or the 10-feet to the mile series] of Ordnance Survey Maps held at Birmingham Central Library [if it's opened yet...] - and to track down their addresses through the Censuses. Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Stonely Phelps Sent: 14 December 2012 22:14 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire maps In reply to Peter Martin, thanks for the info about your experience. I will save your suggestion and work on a good detailed request. I have a Thomas Bartlett, file cutter, who came from Birmingham. There seem to be at least three possible fathers for him, and one name is a favorite because of finding him as an old man with Thomas' family in a Nottingham census. I felt that it could be useful to have a closer look at where the candidates might have lived while in Birmingham christening their children. Most of my English lines have hit brick walls at the point where several people in the area have the same name. I not only wanted to look at Birmingham, but at least half a dozen cities, including London before the fire in 1666. I have found a few maps with parish outlines, but none that are specific as to streets. I like to browse maps, but if that is not allowed I will have to get very specific, which will take a little time. Eileen ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter wrote: > Eileen et al, > > I didn't have to provide too much detail the pitch I used is below. > > "As a [non-commercial] genealogist I use many sources of data to try and > uncover ancestors, their relationships and relative physical locations. > Understanding the 19th century parish boundaries and in particular how they > affect the census returns of the period is crucial. It is also helpful to > have access to a source that readily illustrates the proximity of one parish > to another and their relationship to the county boundaries. I understand > that the "Historic Parishes of England and Wales" complied and published by > Roger Kain and Richard Oliver help enormously with this understanding which > is why I would appreciate access to the data. I will only use this data to > expand and add to my personal knowledge and understanding." > > As I said this did the trick. Hallo The above would need to be reworded by anyone else. If there are too many applications with the identical wording they'll get suspicious and might deny applications. Connie in London

Eileen et al, I didn't have to provide too much detail the pitch I used is below. "As a [non-commercial] genealogist I use many sources of data to try and uncover ancestors, their relationships and relative physical locations. Understanding the 19th century parish boundaries and in particular how they affect the census returns of the period is crucial. It is also helpful to have access to a source that readily illustrates the proximity of one parish to another and their relationship to the county boundaries. I understand that the "Historic Parishes of England and Wales" complied and published by Roger Kain and Richard Oliver help enormously with this understanding which is why I would appreciate access to the data. I will only use this data to expand and add to my personal knowledge and understanding." As I said this did the trick. Regards Peter In reply to Peter Martin, thanks for the info about your experience. I will save your suggestion and work on a good detailed request. I have a Thomas Bartlett, file cutter, who came from Birmingham. There seem to be at least three possible fathers for him, and one name is a favorite because of finding him as an old man with Thomas' family in a Nottingham census. I felt that it could be useful to have a closer look at where the candidates might have lived while in Birmingham christening their children. Most of my English lines have hit brick walls at the point where several people in the area have the same name. I not only wanted to look at Birmingham, but at least half a dozen cities, including London before the fire in 1666. I have found a few maps with parish outlines, but none that are specific as to streets. I like to browse maps, but if that is not allowed I will have to get very specific, which will take a little time. Eileen

Hi Eileen Have you had a look at http://mapco.net/ for London maps (plus many others) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 14/12/2012 22:14, Eileen Stonely Phelps wrote: > In reply to Peter Martin, thanks for the info about your experience. I > will save your suggestion and work on a good detailed request. I have a > Thomas Bartlett, file cutter, who came from Birmingham. There seem to be > at least three possible fathers for him, and one name is a favorite > because of finding him as an old man with Thomas' family in a Nottingham > census. I felt that it could be useful to have a closer look at where > the candidates might have lived while in Birmingham christening their > children. > > Most of my English lines have hit brick walls at the point where several > people in the area have the same name. I not only wanted to look at > Birmingham, but at least half a dozen cities, including London before > the fire in 1666. I have found a few maps with parish outlines, but none > that are specific as to streets. > > I like to browse maps, but if that is not allowed I will have to get > very specific, which will take a little time. > > Eileen

In reply to Peter Martin, thanks for the info about your experience. I will save your suggestion and work on a good detailed request. I have a Thomas Bartlett, file cutter, who came from Birmingham. There seem to be at least three possible fathers for him, and one name is a favorite because of finding him as an old man with Thomas' family in a Nottingham census. I felt that it could be useful to have a closer look at where the candidates might have lived while in Birmingham christening their children. Most of my English lines have hit brick walls at the point where several people in the area have the same name. I not only wanted to look at Birmingham, but at least half a dozen cities, including London before the fire in 1666. I have found a few maps with parish outlines, but none that are specific as to streets. I like to browse maps, but if that is not allowed I will have to get very specific, which will take a little time. Eileen