Thank you Velda for that. I have located it now, and will follow up on it, as Wormleighton is interesting for another one of the families. Anne -------------------------------------------------- From: "Velda Hampton" <velda@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 9:42 PM To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WAR] Horn (various sprllings) Harbury > There is an entry in National Archives showing that she was living at > Wormleighton and the entry is dated 1781 > > Velda > > Sent from my iPad > > On 4 Jan 2013, at 08:07, "Anne Chapman" <dhundhu@live.com> wrote: > >> Hello again Everyone, I am back after a short spell. >> Just wondering if there is any lister researching this Horn family from >> Harbury or the surrounding area. I have come across a Jane Hiorn, of >> Harbury who was charged for killing her "natural born" child. Has anyone >> else come across this item -- sorry the date is unknown, Would like to >> know what happened to Jane, If anyone has this information, would really >> like to contact them >> Anne Chapman (nee Horne) >> My main research is in the family of Richard Horn (Butcher of Bishops >> Itchington) and his wife, formerly Elizabeth Waste/West who married at >> Coventry in 1749. About half their children were bapt at Burton Dassett >> and the rest at Bishops tchington, >> ------------------------------- >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, that's a good thought Connie, thanks. I shall have to find out where Rugby Workhouse records are held and where the Poor Law records for Lawford/Newbold are. Regards, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield > Hallo > > Might the workhouse records or the account books for the Guardians of > the Poor help a little? > > Connie in London > -------------------------------

Hi Marilyn, it's good to see you again. BTs for Napton on the Hill are held at Lichfield RO for 1662 to 1837 for marriages and to 1847 for baps/burials, so I would judge there's a good chance a 1784 marriage bond will be held there. The staff are brill but will probably charge you to do the lookup or a photocopy. Let me know if you need help getting info or a copy. Sadly FRENCH is not one of the names I'm chasing in Warwicks. Regards, Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK On 6 January 2013 21:20, Marilyn Ponting <lookups@dccnet.com> wrote: > Robert SPENCER of Hellidon, Northamptonshire and Alice FRENCH of Napton > married 1784 31-Aug at Napton on the Hill by Licence > > The marriage bond is not at the Northamptonshire Record Office, where they > have a large collection. > > If Robert applied for the licence in Warwickshire where would the bond be > held (supposing that it survives) Google tells me it would be Worcester or > Litchfield - which is most likely? > > There is a baptism for an Alice FRENCH 5th July 1757 in Stretton on Dunsmore > daughter of George and Mary. > This fits fairly well with her age at death - 78 - buried 26th Oct 1837 in > Weedon Bec, Northants. > > Is anyone researching the FRENCH family in this area? > > Marilyn Ponting > > > http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Celia Renshaw wrote: > Thanks for looking Nivard - what you ask is the key question! What > seems to have happened is that Edwin and Sarah had that dau Jane > Elizabeth which you found, and then a son Charles William turned up in > 1870 in Rugby. In 1871, mother Sarah is living-in as a sick nurse for > an elderly woman in Long Lawford and has 8m old Charlie with her but > sadly Jane Elizabeth and an older half-brother, an out of wedlock son > of Sarah's named John HOUHGTON, are both in the Rugby Workhouse. Hallo Might the workhouse records or the account books for the Guardians of the Poor help a little? Connie in London

Peter J Richardson wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I have a couple of suspects, born in 1828 and 1845 but > the X does not help with handwriting analysis so it may end up being > guesswork. I will investigate and see if I can find anything. Hallo You may be able to determine quite a bit from the X. Was it shakey through age or just being not used to a pen. Was it a proper X or more of a +? Connie in London

Hello Marilyn, I've done a bit of searching but cannot locate them. However, it looks from the FreeBMD that Robert TOY's wife may have been called Winifred Charlotte and there is a Winifred TOY who married/remarried? in 1862 Sep Qtr in Birmingham to either Martin GAVAN or Thomas DAVIS, probably the latter. Therefore it may not have been Charlotte, wife of Robert TOY, who died. I don't see Robert's death, but maybe he also had another name! IF their mother was Winifred Charlotte, it may be worth looking for the children under the name of her new husband - it often happened in the censuses that stepchildren just got listed as the sons and daughters of the head of the household. By the way, there is a death of a John G TOY registered in Birmingham in 1944 who would have been the right age. Sorry I can't be more help. MAR in France. > Message du 04/01/13 05:50 > De : "Watson Family" > A : warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] re ROBERT TOY Family > > Hi, > I am trying to find this family whom I found in the 1861 census > 1861 Census > Birmingham Melbourne Place at back of 49 Gooch St > Robert Toy 40 galvanizer of iron born War Edgbaston > Charlotte Toy 36 born Fladbury Worcester > Ann E Toy 6 born Birmingham War > Emma E Toy 4 ditto > John G Toy 3 ditto > > > I think Charlotte died in 1862 at Birmingham > I found her dau > Ann ( Elizabeth A. Toy) with her grandparents in the 1871 census at > Fladbury not found her after that but may have married > > but no sign of Robert and the other two children in the 1871 census > > Any suggestions or assistance is welcome > Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for looking Nivard - what you ask is the key question! What seems to have happened is that Edwin and Sarah had that dau Jane Elizabeth which you found, and then a son Charles William turned up in 1870 in Rugby. In 1871, mother Sarah is living-in as a sick nurse for an elderly woman in Long Lawford and has 8m old Charlie with her but sadly Jane Elizabeth and an older half-brother, an out of wedlock son of Sarah's named John HOUHGTON, are both in the Rugby Workhouse. Sarah's eldest out of wedlock child Eliza HOUGHTON is a servant for another family in Long Lawford, aged 16. I cannot find Edwin in any other records after Jane Elizabeth's baptism and all the signs are he did a runner in or about 1870. I think he may have gone abroad. There's a candidate in Kansas USA. Deceptively there's another Edwin MATTHEWS marrying and having children nearby but he was born in 1847 and is a different chap. Poor Sarah carried on through, however, and seems to have lived to the ripe age of 87 - I think I've found her death reg in 1917. I've found her in the 1911 census in Hillmorton, a few doors from her married dau Eliza GRIFFITHS. So a sad story may have had a happier ending. It's taken a devil of a time to work out all the above ! Regards Celia in Chesterfield On 6 January 2013 15:37, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Celia > > I have been digging around for potential clues for Sarah but only came > up with a possible baptism for a daughter Jane Elizabeth in 1868 > > Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Jane Elizabeth Matthews > Name: Jane Elizabeth Matthews > Parish: Newbold on Avon > Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1868 > Father's Name: Edwin Matthews > Mother's Name: Sarah Matthews > > No doubt you have that if its them, I did not see them in the later > census have you found them? > > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 06/01/2013 13:25, Celia Renshaw wrote: >> I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry >> I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' >> details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a >> better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - >> or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: >> >> St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks >> 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? >> Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William >> - occupation illegible) >> Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & >> occupation illegible) >> Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark >> Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER >> Minister : illegible > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Celia I have been digging around for potential clues for Sarah but only came up with a possible baptism for a daughter Jane Elizabeth in 1868 Warwickshire, England, Baptisms, 1813-1910 about Jane Elizabeth Matthews Name: Jane Elizabeth Matthews Parish: Newbold on Avon Baptism Date: 6 Jan 1868 Father's Name: Edwin Matthews Mother's Name: Sarah Matthews No doubt you have that if its them, I did not see them in the later census have you found them? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 06/01/2013 13:25, Celia Renshaw wrote: > I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry > I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' > details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a > better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - > or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: > > St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks > 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? > Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William > - occupation illegible) > Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & > occupation illegible) > Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark > Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER > Minister : illegible

Thanks again Peter - I didn't realise St Michael's was the cathedral (hadn't done my homework!), so now I remember visiting the war ruins on a school trip and I can completely understand your point, that it's surprising any registers survived. It certainly makes me feel better about the information I am lucky enough to have. Good luck with your CARPENTERs. Regards, Celia in Chesterfield On 6 January 2013 14:49, Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hello again Celia, > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Renshaw" <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> > To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] 1866 marriage at Coventry St Michael > > >> Thanks so much Peter - I had no idea there was bomb damage to take >> into account, I was assuming that a shadow had crept into the process >> when Ancestry was filming. > > St Michaels is the cathedral. When you hear the stories about what it was > like that night and the about the surviving part of the cathedral stonework > structure glowing red hot in the aftermath of the bombing I wonder how any > of the registers survived. > >> Btw, I'm afraid I have no idea who Lucy X CARPENTER was, though if you >> uncover anything about her, I'd be interested. I wonder if Edwin & >> Sarah went so far as to 'drag people off the street' to be witnesses! >> It certainly seems likely they were friends or acquaintances rather >> than rellies. Anyway, I have no other CARPENTERs in their family >> lines, sorry I can't be helpful. > > Thanks for the reply. I have a couple of suspects, born in 1828 and 1845 but > the X does not help with handwriting analysis so it may end up being > guesswork. I will investigate and see if I can find anything. > > Regards > Peter > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again Celia, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] 1866 marriage at Coventry St Michael > Thanks so much Peter - I had no idea there was bomb damage to take > into account, I was assuming that a shadow had crept into the process > when Ancestry was filming. St Michaels is the cathedral. When you hear the stories about what it was like that night and the about the surviving part of the cathedral stonework structure glowing red hot in the aftermath of the bombing I wonder how any of the registers survived. > Btw, I'm afraid I have no idea who Lucy X CARPENTER was, though if you > uncover anything about her, I'd be interested. I wonder if Edwin & > Sarah went so far as to 'drag people off the street' to be witnesses! > It certainly seems likely they were friends or acquaintances rather > than rellies. Anyway, I have no other CARPENTERs in their family > lines, sorry I can't be helpful. Thanks for the reply. I have a couple of suspects, born in 1828 and 1845 but the X does not help with handwriting analysis so it may end up being guesswork. I will investigate and see if I can find anything. Regards Peter

Thanks Ellen for helpful reply - as you say, purchase of the cert seems like the only recourse left, oh well I'm doing this for a 101 year old great-aunt who knows nothing about her MATTHEWS father and his family, so I guess it's worth it! Regards, Celia in Chesterfield On 6 January 2013 14:23, ELLEN SPENCE <e.m.spence@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Hi Celia > > I was just about to reply when Peter beat me to it. > > The Bishops Transcripts for St Michael stop in 1846 and there won't be any at Coventry as these were effectively phased out once civil registration came in. > > Warwick RO have the original registers, which is what the ancestry images have been filmed from, and just had a look at Coventry FHS to see if they have any transcripts -they do but only up until 1837. > > It looks like you will have to order the marriage certificate from the GRO or the register office to obtain the remaining details, which will be listed on the copy certificates. > > Regards > > Ellen > > > Warwick Record Office have the > Bishops Transcripts on film up until about 1845. This may coincide with > Coventry moving from Lichfield to Worcester diocese so there may be some > later BTs somewhere else but I have doubts about that, it may be a case of > ordering the marriage certificate. > > > > >>I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry >> I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' >> details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a >> better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - >> or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: >> >> St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks >> 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? >> Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William >> - occupation illegible) >> Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & >> occupation illegible) >> Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark >> Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER >> Minister : illegible >> >> Now, I believe this was a 'runaway' marriage. The bride is nearly >> twice the age of the groom - in 1861 they were living next door to >> each other in Long Lawford, therefore I think the abode they both give >> of Jordan Well is an 'abode of convenience' for the purposes of >> marriage. I also believe that Sarah was nee HOUGHTON and not a widow, >> but she had two pre-marriage children to explain away (not the >> children of Edwin). For these reasons, I would dearly like to know >> what fib she gave about her father's name and occupation! Or, since >> she was an out-of-wedlock child herself, she may have known her father >> and this father's info might be true, and gold-dust for my researches! >> Isn't it just typical that the info you most crave is always the bit >> that's illegible? So if anyone can give me the missing details I will >> be hugely grateful. >> >> If no-one can help directly, do you know if Warwicks RO (or a Local >> Studies Library in Coventry) would do this look-up without charging? > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much Peter - I had no idea there was bomb damage to take into account, I was assuming that a shadow had crept into the process when Ancestry was filming. I guess you're right about splashing out on the marriage cert. Btw, I'm afraid I have no idea who Lucy X CARPENTER was, though if you uncover anything about her, I'd be interested. I wonder if Edwin & Sarah went so far as to 'drag people off the street' to be witnesses! It certainly seems likely they were friends or acquaintances rather than rellies. Anyway, I have no other CARPENTERs in their family lines, sorry I can't be helpful. Thanks again, Celia in Chesterfield On 6 January 2013 14:08, Peter J Richardson <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hello Celia, > > I'm afraid that you have the Luftwaffe to thank for this one, the "obscured > bit" actually having been burned away. Warwick Record Office have the > Bishops Transcripts on film up until about 1845. This may coincide with > Coventry moving from Lichfield to Worcester diocese so there may be some > later BTs somewhere else but I have doubts about that, it may be a case of > ordering the marriage certificate. > > I am looking into CARPENTER in Cov - do you know how or if Lucy who > witnessed the wedding connects? > > Regards > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Celia Renshaw" <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> > To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:25 PM > Subject: [WAR] 1866 marriage at Coventry St Michael > > >>I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry >> I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' >> details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a >> better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - >> or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: >> >> St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks >> 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? >> Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William >> - occupation illegible) >> Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & >> occupation illegible) >> Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark >> Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER >> Minister : illegible >> >> Now, I believe this was a 'runaway' marriage. The bride is nearly >> twice the age of the groom - in 1861 they were living next door to >> each other in Long Lawford, therefore I think the abode they both give >> of Jordan Well is an 'abode of convenience' for the purposes of >> marriage. I also believe that Sarah was nee HOUGHTON and not a widow, >> but she had two pre-marriage children to explain away (not the >> children of Edwin). For these reasons, I would dearly like to know >> what fib she gave about her father's name and occupation! Or, since >> she was an out-of-wedlock child herself, she may have known her father >> and this father's info might be true, and gold-dust for my researches! >> Isn't it just typical that the info you most crave is always the bit >> that's illegible? So if anyone can give me the missing details I will >> be hugely grateful. >> >> If no-one can help directly, do you know if Warwicks RO (or a Local >> Studies Library in Coventry) would do this look-up without charging? >> >> Also I'd be interested in talking to anyone else with interests in the >> names HOUGHTON (aka ORTON; HORTON); MATTHEWS; ROUND; ESSEX and COSBY >> in Long Lawford/Newbold on Avon. >> >> Celia Renshaw >> in Chesterfield UK > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Celia I was just about to reply when Peter beat me to it. The Bishops Transcripts for St Michael stop in 1846 and there won't be any at Coventry as these were effectively phased out once civil registration came in. Warwick RO have the original registers, which is what the ancestry images have been filmed from, and just had a look at Coventry FHS to see if they have any transcripts -they do but only up until 1837. It looks like you will have to order the marriage certificate from the GRO or the register office to obtain the remaining details, which will be listed on the copy certificates.  Regards Ellen  Warwick Record Office have the Bishops Transcripts on film up until about 1845. This may coincide with Coventry moving from Lichfield to Worcester diocese so there may be some later BTs somewhere else but I have doubts about that, it may be a case of ordering the marriage certificate. >I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour?  From Ancestry > I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' > details in the image were obscured.  I messaged Ancestry, asking for a > better image, without result.  Can anyone check the original for me - > or does anyone have a transcript of it?  This is the one: > > St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks > 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? > Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William > - occupation illegible) > Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & > occupation illegible) > Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark > Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER > Minister : illegible > > Now, I believe this was a 'runaway' marriage.  The bride is nearly > twice the age of the groom - in 1861 they were living next door to > each other in Long Lawford, therefore I think the abode they both give > of Jordan Well is an 'abode of convenience' for the purposes of > marriage.  I also believe that Sarah was nee HOUGHTON and not a widow, > but she had two pre-marriage children to explain away (not the > children of Edwin).  For these reasons, I would dearly like to know > what fib she gave about her father's name and occupation!  Or, since > she was an out-of-wedlock child herself, she may have known her father > and this father's info might be true, and gold-dust for my researches! > Isn't it just typical that the info you most crave is always the bit > that's illegible?  So if anyone can give me the missing details I will > be hugely grateful. > > If no-one can help directly, do you know if Warwicks RO (or a Local > Studies Library in Coventry) would do this look-up without charging? ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Celia, I'm afraid that you have the Luftwaffe to thank for this one, the "obscured bit" actually having been burned away. Warwick Record Office have the Bishops Transcripts on film up until about 1845. This may coincide with Coventry moving from Lichfield to Worcester diocese so there may be some later BTs somewhere else but I have doubts about that, it may be a case of ordering the marriage certificate. I am looking into CARPENTER in Cov - do you know how or if Lucy who witnessed the wedding connects? Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <celiarenshaw@gmail.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:25 PM Subject: [WAR] 1866 marriage at Coventry St Michael >I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry > I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' > details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a > better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - > or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: > > St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks > 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? > Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William > - occupation illegible) > Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & > occupation illegible) > Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark > Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER > Minister : illegible > > Now, I believe this was a 'runaway' marriage. The bride is nearly > twice the age of the groom - in 1861 they were living next door to > each other in Long Lawford, therefore I think the abode they both give > of Jordan Well is an 'abode of convenience' for the purposes of > marriage. I also believe that Sarah was nee HOUGHTON and not a widow, > but she had two pre-marriage children to explain away (not the > children of Edwin). For these reasons, I would dearly like to know > what fib she gave about her father's name and occupation! Or, since > she was an out-of-wedlock child herself, she may have known her father > and this father's info might be true, and gold-dust for my researches! > Isn't it just typical that the info you most crave is always the bit > that's illegible? So if anyone can give me the missing details I will > be hugely grateful. > > If no-one can help directly, do you know if Warwicks RO (or a Local > Studies Library in Coventry) would do this look-up without charging? > > Also I'd be interested in talking to anyone else with interests in the > names HOUGHTON (aka ORTON; HORTON); MATTHEWS; ROUND; ESSEX and COSBY > in Long Lawford/Newbold on Avon. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK

I wonder if anyone on the list can do me a huge favour? From Ancestry I obtained the image of the following marriage but the fathers' details in the image were obscured. I messaged Ancestry, asking for a better image, without result. Can anyone check the original for me - or does anyone have a transcript of it? This is the one: St Michael, Coventry, Warwicks 253. 23 Dec 1866 by ? Edwin MATTHEWS, 21, bachelor, labourer, of Jordan Well (father William - occupation illegible) Sarah HOUGHTON, 36, widow, of Jordan Well (father John.... - surname & occupation illegible) Edwin signed; Sarah signed with X her mark Wits: Joseph INGRAM; Lucy X CARPENTER Minister : illegible Now, I believe this was a 'runaway' marriage. The bride is nearly twice the age of the groom - in 1861 they were living next door to each other in Long Lawford, therefore I think the abode they both give of Jordan Well is an 'abode of convenience' for the purposes of marriage. I also believe that Sarah was nee HOUGHTON and not a widow, but she had two pre-marriage children to explain away (not the children of Edwin). For these reasons, I would dearly like to know what fib she gave about her father's name and occupation! Or, since she was an out-of-wedlock child herself, she may have known her father and this father's info might be true, and gold-dust for my researches! Isn't it just typical that the info you most crave is always the bit that's illegible? So if anyone can give me the missing details I will be hugely grateful. If no-one can help directly, do you know if Warwicks RO (or a Local Studies Library in Coventry) would do this look-up without charging? Also I'd be interested in talking to anyone else with interests in the names HOUGHTON (aka ORTON; HORTON); MATTHEWS; ROUND; ESSEX and COSBY in Long Lawford/Newbold on Avon. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Robert SPENCER of Hellidon, Northamptonshire and Alice FRENCH of Napton married 1784 31-Aug at Napton on the Hill by Licence The marriage bond is not at the Northamptonshire Record Office, where they have a large collection. If Robert applied for the licence in Warwickshire where would the bond be held (supposing that it survives) Google tells me it would be Worcester or Litchfield - which is most likely? There is a baptism for an Alice FRENCH 5th July 1757 in Stretton on Dunsmore daughter of George and Mary. This fits fairly well with her age at death - 78 - buried 26th Oct 1837 in Weedon Bec, Northants. Is anyone researching the FRENCH family in this area? Marilyn Ponting http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk

Hello again Everyone, I am back after a short spell. Just wondering if there is any lister researching this Horn family from Harbury or the surrounding area. I have come across a Jane Hiorn, of Harbury who was charged for killing her "natural born" child. Has anyone else come across this item -- sorry the date is unknown, Would like to know what happened to Jane, If anyone has this information, would really like to contact them Anne Chapman (nee Horne) My main research is in the family of Richard Horn (Butcher of Bishops Itchington) and his wife, formerly Elizabeth Waste/West who married at Coventry in 1749. About half their children were bapt at Burton Dassett and the rest at Bishops tchington,

Hi Marilyn There is a tree on Ancestry which includes this family. It shows that this was the second marriage (on 9.2.1857 to Winefred Charlotte TRENFIELD). Robert was in Birmingham Workhouse in 1871 RG10 Piece 3133 Folio 66 Page 10 He appears to have died in 1873 in Birmingham. His first marriage was to Mary Ann TURNER on 19.1.1836 Hope that this helps. I will have a look for the rest of the family for you later Velda -----Original Message----- From: Watson Family Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 4:49 AM To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] re ROBERT TOY Family Hi, I am trying to find this family whom I found in the 1861 census 1861 Census Birmingham Melbourne Place at back of 49 Gooch St Robert Toy 40 galvanizer of iron born War Edgbaston Charlotte Toy 36 born Fladbury Worcester Ann E Toy 6 born Birmingham War Emma E Toy 4 ditto John G Toy 3 ditto I think Charlotte died in 1862 at Birmingham I found her dau Ann ( Elizabeth A. Toy) with her grandparents in the 1871 census at Fladbury not found her after that but may have married but no sign of Robert and the other two children in the 1871 census Any suggestions or assistance is welcome Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am trying to find this family whom I found in the 1861 census 1861 Census Birmingham Melbourne Place at back of 49 Gooch St Robert Toy 40 galvanizer of iron born War Edgbaston Charlotte Toy 36 born Fladbury Worcester Ann E Toy 6 born Birmingham War Emma E Toy 4 ditto John G Toy 3 ditto I think Charlotte died in 1862 at Birmingham I found her dau Ann ( Elizabeth A. Toy) with her grandparents in the 1871 census at Fladbury not found her after that but may have married but no sign of Robert and the other two children in the 1871 census Any suggestions or assistance is welcome Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia

Hi all Hope sks may be able to assist with my research William Lines married Mary Aston (Arston) at St John the Baptist, Coventry on 13 Oct 1812 - he was shown to be a widower They appear in the 1841 Census at Spon End William 65ish Shopkeeper b Warks Mary 55ish b Warks William died on 30 Sep 1843 and was buried on 4 Oct 1843 The 1851 Census for Spon End shows Mary 70 wid Grocer b Berkswell I have located five children from their marriage Disappointingly, I cannot trace William prior to this marriage In addition, I cannot find a record showing Mary's death - she cannot be found in the 1861 Census - and would therefore be extremely grateful for any assistance anyone can provide or offer Thanks a lot Cliff Jones