Good morning all, It is good to see you all talking, but please consider our digest readers and remember to trim your messages. I notice some of the messages in the last day or so have had long quoted contented which digest readers have to scroll through to get to the next message - so please remember to trim unnecessary content. Please also try to keep the content relevant to Warwickshire. Thanks and Regards Peter Richardson Warwick List Admin

Hello Jim, Your next step is to look for their baptisms which will probably give the names of the fathers and MAY include the first name of the mothers, which will help you to find their marriage. IF the father left a will and it has survived, this might provide further information on the family, but even then the testator may just have mentioned his "dear wife" or his two sons, with no further details. In any case, at this date you aren't going to find all the information you need written down in one place. If the parish records have disappeared or the parish clerk forgot to record an entry, you may never find it and there was no legal obligation to record dates of birth or death. Sometimes local records like rate books, churchwardens' accounts, leases, can provide valuable clues, but you aren't going to find all that on line waiting for you to cut and paste - but then that's the pleasure of researching! Good luck, MAR in France. Message du 14/01/13 00:57 > De : "Jim Andrews" > A : "warwick@rootsweb.com" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Maureen, > Thanks - I did receive the free credits before the offer expired and "purchased" the marriage record of James Brunt and Jane Buckly. Ok - I can contact Cheshire Records and see what they have. If it's nothing more than this, what do you do then? Are there any other resources you Warwickers use to further your research back into the early 1700's? All help is appreciated! > > > Regards, > > Jim Andrews > > > ________________________________ > From: Maureen Eden > To: 'Jim Andrews' ; warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi again Jim > > I think the Marriage Record may be on findmypast.co.uk - if you visit the > site there is an offer for 50 free credits in the bottom RH corner. You > don't have to give your credit card details to register for this offer. The > marriage is under Jane Buckly 1741 Astbury, Cheshire & will cost 20 credits > to view the image. > > My only other suggestion is to contact Cheshire Records Office, they will do > one 10 minute, free search. You may be lucky, as you have the exact date of > marriage & the Parish. > > HTH > > Regards > Maureen > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: 13 January 2013 15:22 > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi Maureen, > Help me here! Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage. > It's just a line list of James married Jane. Would this be the only record > of their marriage? If so, how does one continue to search for parents and > lineage? > > > > Regards, > > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maureen Eden > To: 'Jim Andrews' ; warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi Jim > > There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, > Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details > > HTH > Maureen > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses. The details I have are > from a family member that is now > > deceased. > > > James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both > in Birmingham. It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England. How can > I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents? > > > Regards, > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi UJ > > Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the > burial in the vast majority of cases > > The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that > time is highly unlikely to give more than the index > > The date and name will be recorded > > There may be > > Age > > Abode > > Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) > > Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth > checking > > Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > > if more info might be available. If a death record exists would it > > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such > > records be held? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > UJ > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Nivard, Many thanks for that. I thought it was Reaburn Court. I'll have to try cleaning my glasses Interestingly Jane married under her maiden name of Trenfield when she married William Fairlie Fergusson in 1875 at St Giles FMP say they have the Westminster records but blowed if I can get anything on them Many thanks Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia At 09:06 PM 13/01/2013, you wrote: >Hi Maureen > >Findmypast have no more than the GRO index entry as can be found for >free on freebmd, so you are not missing anything > >Ancestry have many PRs for London and surrounds but the 1875 marriage >does not appear, however it may be a civil marriage > >A couple of snippets from Ancestry > >St Botolphe Aldgate City of London 1873 >Baptised Apr 30 >Born Aug 6 1872 >William Fairlie son of Jane TAYLOR >(William Fairlie is entered as the father but crossed out, presumably >the question was asked if they were married) > >Abode 3 Red Lion Court > >Frederick ROSE Curate >No 2699 > >====================== > >UK Poll Books and Electoral Rolls (Ancestry) > >Windsor Polling District >Parish of New Windsor, with Dedworth > >Name of voter - Place of abode - Nature of qualification - > >6651 FERGUSSON, Wm Fairlie ... Milton Ernest, near Bedford.. Freehold >houses and shops ... Peasscod street > >====================== > > >Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >On 13/01/2013 11:37, Maureen Eden wrote: > > Sorry Marilyn > > > > I don't have a subscription to FMP > > > > Maureen > > > > > Hi Maureen, > > All I could find was the bare details is there a more detailed marriage > > like image on FMP? > > Cheers Marilyn >------------------------------- >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, Janet & Maureen Thank you so much for all your kind and generous help I am slow! finally found it by going to the London records Couldn't find a marriage for William Fairlie Fergusson and Jane in 1875 though I have the index record but no real image But good news yes Margaret Effie Taylor was her also found William Fairlie Taylor Birth. Father was there but crossed out William Fairlie. Jane was now at 3 Reaburn Crt Only thing I need to find now is them arriving in Australia at Queensland. Didn't arrive in Victoria or SA Always thought this list was super Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia At 03:52 PM 13/01/2013, you wrote: >Hi Marilyn > >The marriage bond and allegation is on Ancestry . >5 Sept 1865 >Appeared personally Jane Trendfield of All Saints >Knightsbridge----spinster 21 and upwards Licence John Taylor of same >district 21 and upwards > >Mike >On 12/01/2013 13:42, Maureen Eden wrote: > > Hi again Marilyn > > > > There is a marriage on FreeBMD for Jane Trenfield to John Taylor in > > Westminster Registration District in 1865. >------------------------------- >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen The 50 free credits offer finished a week or so ago I believe Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 17:39, Maureen Eden wrote: > Hi again Jim > > I think the Marriage Record may be on findmypast.co.uk - if you visit the > site there is an offer for 50 free credits in the bottom RH corner. You > don't have to give your credit card details to register for this offer. The > marriage is under Jane Buckly 1741 Astbury, Cheshire & will cost 20 credits > to view the image. > > My only other suggestion is to contact Cheshire Records Office, they will do > one 10 minute, free search. You may be lucky, as you have the exact date of > marriage & the Parish. > > HTH > > Regards > Maureen

Hi again Jim I think the Marriage Record may be on findmypast.co.uk - if you visit the site there is an offer for 50 free credits in the bottom RH corner. You don't have to give your credit card details to register for this offer. The marriage is under Jane Buckly 1741 Astbury, Cheshire & will cost 20 credits to view the image. My only other suggestion is to contact Cheshire Records Office, they will do one 10 minute, free search. You may be lucky, as you have the exact date of marriage & the Parish. HTH Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 15:22 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi Maureen, Help me here!  Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage.  It's just a line list of James married Jane.  Would this be the only record of their marriage?  If so, how does one continue to search for parents and lineage?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi Jim There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details HTH Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses.  The details I have are from a family member that is now deceased.  James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both in Birmingham.  It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England.  How can I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi UJ Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the burial in the vast majority of cases The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that time is highly unlikely to give more than the index The date and name will be recorded There may be Age Abode Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth checking Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > if more info might be available.  If a death record exists would it > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such > records be held?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > UJ ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Find My Past has many Cheshire parish registers, images of the register pages which have been indexed. I believe you can do a search without pre-payment. Alternatively investigate the website for the Family History Society of Cheshire [www.fhsc.org.uk] as there are links to a range of resources. They also sell some PRs on CD. There is a very helpful and knowledgeable group of people on the Cheshire-L - a link to it is on the FHSC website. HTH Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike in Droitwich To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi at that time (1754-1837) it had which parishes the bride and groom were resident in at the time of the marriage ,if by banns or licence, two witnesses, both their signatures or marks and the name of the officiating minister. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 13/01/2013 15:21, Jim Andrews wrote: > Hi Maureen, > Help me here! Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage. It's just a line list of James married Jane. Would this be the only record of their marriage? If so, how does one continue to search for parents and lineage? > > > > Regards, > > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> > To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi Jim > > There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, > Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details > > HTH > Maureen > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses. The details I have are > from a family member that is now > > deceased. > > > James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both > in Birmingham. It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England. How can > I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents? > > > Regards, > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi UJ > > Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the > burial in the vast majority of cases > > The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that > time is highly unlikely to give more than the index > > The date and name will be recorded > > There may be > > Age > > Abode > > Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) > > Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth > checking > > Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: >> >> As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham >> from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know >> if more info might be available. If a death record exists would it >> contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such >> records be held? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> UJ > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi at that time (1754-1837) it had which parishes the bride and groom were resident in at the time of the marriage ,if by banns or licence, two witnesses, both their signatures or marks and the name of the officiating minister. Mike Fisher in Droitwich my family tree http://mjfisher.tribalpages.com On 13/01/2013 15:21, Jim Andrews wrote: > Hi Maureen, > Help me here! Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage. It's just a line list of James married Jane. Would this be the only record of their marriage? If so, how does one continue to search for parents and lineage? > > > > Regards, > > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> > To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi Jim > > There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, > Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details > > HTH > Maureen > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Jim Andrews > Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses. The details I have are > from a family member that is now > > deceased. > > > James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both > in Birmingham. It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England. How can > I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents? > > > Regards, > Uncle Jim > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 > > Hi UJ > > Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the > burial in the vast majority of cases > > The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that > time is highly unlikely to give more than the index > > The date and name will be recorded > > There may be > > Age > > Abode > > Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) > > Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth > checking > > Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: >> >> As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham >> from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know >> if more info might be available. If a death record exists would it >> contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such >> records be held? Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> UJ > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Maureen, Thanks - I did receive the free credits before the offer expired and "purchased" the marriage record of James Brunt and Jane Buckly.   Ok - I can contact Cheshire Records and see what they have.  If it's nothing more than this, what do you do then?   Are there any other resources you Warwickers use to further your research back into the early 1700's?  All help is appreciated!   Regards, Jim Andrews ________________________________ From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi again Jim I think the Marriage Record may be on findmypast.co.uk - if you visit the site there is an offer for 50 free credits in the bottom RH corner. You don't have to give your credit card details to register for this offer. The marriage is under Jane Buckly 1741 Astbury, Cheshire & will cost 20 credits to view the image. My only other suggestion is to contact Cheshire Records Office, they will do one 10 minute, free search.  You may be lucky, as you have the exact date of marriage & the Parish. HTH Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 15:22 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi Maureen, Help me here!  Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage.  It's just a line list of James married Jane.  Would this be the only record of their marriage?  If so, how does one continue to search for parents and lineage?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi Jim There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details HTH Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses.  The details I have are from a family member that is now deceased.  James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both in Birmingham.  It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England.  How can I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi UJ Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the burial in the vast majority of cases The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that time is highly unlikely to give more than the index The date and name will be recorded There may be Age Abode Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth checking Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > if more info might be available.  If a death record exists would it > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such > records be held?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > UJ ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn Have you tried electoral rolls to try refining the date when they arrived? I see they had a son in Queensland in 1878 who died the same year. http://www.ausbdm.org/lookup.php?st=QLD or the State Library http://www.slq.qld.gov.au/resources/family-history/info-guides/occupations Incidentally, did you know that William was listed on the 1851 census as being at Rugby school? That may be an avenue of research to pursue as well if you haven't already. Regards Ellen <Only thing I need to find now is them arriving in Australia at Queensland. Didn't arrive in Victoria or SA> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia

Hi Marilyn Yes odd she should marry under her maiden name but certainly not an isolated happening, I suspect it depended upon the questions asked or the interpretation taken by the person taking the detail I wonder if the cert states widow or spinster? Like you I can not find anything in the Westminster records that findmypast supposedly have, but there again I find it very difficult to find anything on FMP, particularly as I have the misfortune to have their worldwide subscription (which doesn't even cover all the records on the UK site) which has been returning errors on many searches for the last few days Just a small point but they didn't marry *at* St Giles but the marriage was registered in the district of St Giles which covered many parishes and the civil marriages Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 13:31, Watson Family wrote: > Hi Nivard, > Many thanks for that. I thought it was Reaburn Court. I'll have to try > cleaning my glasses > Interestingly Jane married under her maiden name of Trenfield when she > married William Fairlie Fergusson in 1875 at St Giles > FMP say they have the Westminster records but blowed if I can get anything > on them > Many thanks > Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia

Hi Jim There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details HTH Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses.  The details I have are from a family member that is now deceased.  James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both in Birmingham.  It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England.  How can I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi UJ Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the burial in the vast majority of cases The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that time is highly unlikely to give more than the index The date and name will be recorded There may be Age Abode Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth checking Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > if more info might be available.  If a death record exists would it > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such > records be held?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > UJ ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen Findmypast have no more than the GRO index entry as can be found for free on freebmd, so you are not missing anything Ancestry have many PRs for London and surrounds but the 1875 marriage does not appear, however it may be a civil marriage A couple of snippets from Ancestry St Botolphe Aldgate City of London 1873 Baptised Apr 30 Born Aug 6 1872 William Fairlie son of Jane TAYLOR (William Fairlie is entered as the father but crossed out, presumably the question was asked if they were married) Abode 3 Red Lion Court Frederick ROSE Curate No 2699 ====================== UK Poll Books and Electoral Rolls (Ancestry) Windsor Polling District Parish of New Windsor, with Dedworth Name of voter - Place of abode - Nature of qualification - 6651 FERGUSSON, Wm Fairlie ... Milton Ernest, near Bedford.. Freehold houses and shops ... Peasscod street ====================== Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 11:37, Maureen Eden wrote: > Sorry Marilyn > > I don't have a subscription to FMP > > Maureen > Hi Maureen, > All I could find was the bare details is there a more detailed marriage > like image on FMP? > Cheers Marilyn

Sorry Marilyn I don't have a subscription to FMP Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Watson Family Sent: 13 January 2013 02:50 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] re Jane Trenfield born Fladbury in 1836 and William Fairlie Fergusson born 1837 Hi Maureen, All I could find was the bare details is there a more detailed marriage like image on FMP? Cheers Marilyn with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, Ancestry's London Parish Registers has a baptismal record at Oseney Crescent St Luke, Camden of a Margaret Effie TAYLOR born 23 April 1869, baptised 3 January 1870 daughter of Jane TAYLOR of Gaisford St. Janet Just found it myself and Jane's marriage in 1865 to John Taylor. Not sure whether Effie Margaret is his child though.I can't find a birth for her at all

Hi Maureen, All I could find was the bare details is there a more detailed marriage like image on FMP? Cheers Marilyn At 10:15 PM 12/01/2013, you wrote: >Hi Marilyn > >You will find the details of both Jane's marriages on FMP. > >Best wishes >Maureen > >-----Original Message----- >From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >Behalf Of Watson Family >Sent: 12 January 2013 14:04 >To: warwick@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [WAR] re Jane Trenfield born Fladbury in 1836 and William >Fairlie Fergusson born 1837 > >Hi Maureen, > Just found it myself and Jane's marriage in 1865 to John Taylor. Not sure >whether Effie Margaret is his child though.I can't find a birth for her at >all. FMP is good when all else fails Still can't find the birth of her son >William Fairlie Fergusson c 1872 but I imagine there is no doubt of his >paternity This is them in them 1871 census >1871 Census >Cookham Berkshire Bray . The Willows Windsor Road William Fairlie ( Fashie) >Fergusson head aged 33 half pay India Service ,brewer's pupil born East >Indies Calcutta Alexander Topp 24, cousin, banker's clerk born Scotland >Robert Priddham visitor 15 scholar brn Sahant Maidstone Effie Margaret >Taylor 1 born Middlesex Kensington Jane Taylor marr 34 housekeeper born >Worcestershire Fladbury Susan Boam 25 general servant domestic Middlesex >Poplar >James Batty 18 '' " " Buck Monk > > >Really pleased to find that though >many thanks for your help >Cheers Marilyn > > > >At 09:19 PM 12/01/2013, you wrote: > >Hi Marilyn > > > >I've found your family on the 1871 census, William is transcribed as > >William Pashie Perguson he has a housekeeper Jane Taylor, born in > >Stadlery, Worcs, I assume this is Fladbury. Jane has a daughter Essie >Margaret Taylor aged 1. > >If you would like I can send the image. > > > >HTH > > > >Maureen > > > >------------------------------- > >List archives are at > >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi UJ Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the burial in the vast majority of cases The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that time is highly unlikely to give more than the index The date and name will be recorded There may be Age Abode Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth checking Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > if more info might be available. If a death record exists would it > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such records > be held? Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > UJ

Hello, At that date basically all there is available are burial records as registering deaths didn't start until July 1837. OTOH there's a faint possibility that a death might be mentioned in a local newspaper, but even then it's unlikely to be little more than a paid announcement unless it was [say] as the result of an "interesting" accident or the deceased was locally famous. It might help were you to let us know the full details you already have - the name, date, and source - as those just may give additional clues. HTH Gus -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 03:04 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know if more info might be available. If a death record exists would it contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such records be held? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, UJ ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn The marriage bond and allegation is on Ancestry . 5 Sept 1865 Appeared personally Jane Trendfield of All Saints Knightsbridge----spinster 21 and upwards Licence John Taylor of same district 21 and upwards Mike On 12/01/2013 13:42, Maureen Eden wrote: > Hi again Marilyn > > There is a marriage on FreeBMD for Jane Trenfield to John Taylor in > Westminster Registration District in 1865.

Hi Maureen, Help me here!  Yes, I have seen the familysearch record of the marriage.  It's just a line list of James married Jane.  Would this be the only record of their marriage?  If so, how does one continue to search for parents and lineage?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Maureen Eden <maureen.eden@ntlworld.com> To: 'Jim Andrews' <jmjandrews@ameritech.net>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi Jim There's a marriage for James Brunt to Jane Buckly 11 July 1741 in Astbury, Cheshire on the Familysearch site but unfortunately no other details HTH Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Andrews Sent: 13 January 2013 13:10 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Thanks to Nivard and Gus for their prompt responses.  The details I have are from a family member that is now deceased.  James Brunty died 22 May 1772, his wife Jane Buckley died 18 May 1768 both in Birmingham.  It says they were wed in 1741 in Cheshire, England.  How can I confirm this and move ahead to find their parents?   Regards, Uncle Jim ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Death Record of 1772 Hi UJ Deaths were not recorded officially until 1837, before that it would be the burial in the vast majority of cases The burial will probably be recorded in the parish registers but at that time is highly unlikely to give more than the index The date and name will be recorded There may be Age Abode Relationship (ie the wife of XXXX) Details can vary depending upon the Clerk / Vicar so its generally worth checking Why not post the details to see if anyone can help you Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/01/2013 03:04, Jim Andrews wrote: > > As a Newbie, my question is: Are there death records from Birmingham > from 1772 available? I have an index of a death but would like to know > if more info might be available.  If a death record exists would it > contain spousal and or parental info? Finally, where would such > records be held?  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > UJ ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message