Hi Den What are the names of the witnesses, are they related to the bride or groom ? Mike Fisher now in Droitwich formerly of Wythall,Solihull Lodge & Billesley,Birmingham ----- Original Message ----- From: <FIVETAYLES@aol.com> To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: [WAR] IS this marriage likely? > Hi > > Wondering whether someone may be able to help with this mystery. > > I have a Matthew TAYLES ( born 1836) from Lincolnshire who in 1862 > marries > Sarah BUCK (born 1841 Notts) in St Martins Birmingham. I have just > received > their Marriage cert and it states that Matthews father was Thomas > TAYLES - > Fisherman and that Sarah's was Joseph BUCK - iron moulder. > > Now comes the tricky bit : > > Thomas TAYLES - fisherman had a daughter called Margaret (born 1815) who > married a man called Joseph BUCK an iron moulder, they had a daughter > called > Sarah born 1841 in Nottingham. It seems to me that this Sarah is the > same one > as on the above marriage therefore she actually married her uncle - > although > most probably illegal would this be likely? > > Den > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Den, As he was born in Lincs, and she in Notts, the first question that comes to mind is 'how did they ever meet?' - although if they *were* uncle-and-niece then that becomes much less of a problem! Add that they married in what was probably about the busiest church in the Midlands - where they'd be suitably anonymous, with little chance of any back-checking, as well as it being conveniently far from both birthplaces - then it seems that the relationship is highly likely. Certainly within the Table of Kindred and Affinity - and so illegal - but is it *that* much more incestuous than the by-no-means uncommon marriages of 1st cousins? [I'll leave that for the geneticists to tell me...] Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: <FIVETAYLES@aol.com> To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: [WAR] IS this marriage likely? Hi Wondering whether someone may be able to help with this mystery. I have a Matthew TAYLES ( born 1836) from Lincolnshire who in 1862 marries Sarah BUCK (born 1841 Notts) in St Martins Birmingham. I have just received their Marriage cert and it states that Matthews father was Thomas TAYLES - Fisherman and that Sarah's was Joseph BUCK - iron moulder. Now comes the tricky bit : Thomas TAYLES - fisherman had a daughter called Margaret (born 1815) who married a man called Joseph BUCK an iron moulder, they had a daughter called Sarah born 1841 in Nottingham. It seems to me that this Sarah is the same one as on the above marriage therefore she actually married her uncle - although most probably illegal would this be likely? Den ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Given the gap in age (21 years) between the alleged brother and sister, Matthew and Margaret, could it be posible that Matthew was the son of another Thomas TAYLES, perhaps son of the elder Thomas, who was also in the family business of being a fisherman, and that Matthew and Sarah were cousins, not uncle and niece? -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of FIVETAYLES@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:40 AM To: WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] IS this marriage likely? Hi Wondering whether someone may be able to help with this mystery. I have a Matthew TAYLES ( born 1836) from Lincolnshire who in 1862 marries Sarah BUCK (born 1841 Notts) in St Martins Birmingham. I have just received their Marriage cert and it states that Matthews father was Thomas TAYLES - Fisherman and that Sarah's was Joseph BUCK - iron moulder. Now comes the tricky bit : Thomas TAYLES - fisherman had a daughter called Margaret (born 1815) who married a man called Joseph BUCK an iron moulder, they had a daughter called Sarah born 1841 in Nottingham. It seems to me that this Sarah is the same one as on the above marriage therefore she actually married her uncle - although most probably illegal would this be likely? Den ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike The Witnesses are Joseph Buck - probably the brides father and Eleanor Hodgson a friend and work colleague of Sarah. Den

Hi Wondering whether someone may be able to help with this mystery. I have a Matthew TAYLES ( born 1836) from Lincolnshire who in 1862 marries Sarah BUCK (born 1841 Notts) in St Martins Birmingham. I have just received their Marriage cert and it states that Matthews father was Thomas TAYLES - Fisherman and that Sarah's was Joseph BUCK - iron moulder. Now comes the tricky bit : Thomas TAYLES - fisherman had a daughter called Margaret (born 1815) who married a man called Joseph BUCK an iron moulder, they had a daughter called Sarah born 1841 in Nottingham. It seems to me that this Sarah is the same one as on the above marriage therefore she actually married her uncle - although most probably illegal would this be likely? Den

Hi Mary, The oldest Roman Catholic church is St. Osburg's.and is situated in the central area of Coventry. it was begun in 1843 and was completed in 1845. In the 20th century R C churches and schools were added in the suburbs. I believe that St Elizabeth's, in Foleshill, near where i used to live, was the first of these. For marriages in the mid 1800s I would look to St Osburg's. Regards, Muriel.(NZ).

My g grandparents were married in the Roman Catholic church in Coventry in 1871. The name of the church is St. Osburg on Hill St. It is still there. I found films of the records from St. Osburg on the LDS site. They were very helpful to me. I don't know how far back they go, tho. You might want to take a look. Susan in CT ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello Mary The Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives holds the Roman Catholic parish records for Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Worcestershire & Oxfordshire. They don't have a website but this link will take you to an information leaflet about the archives HTTP://WNW.Birmingham's.org.UK/assets/PD/Diocesan%20Archives.PD Their holdings are listed on the Access to Archives website HTTP://WNW.a2a.org.UK/ Select search these catalogues, then under Location of Archives choose Birmingham Archdiocesan Archives. This will bring up a list of their holdings or you can narrow your search by typing in a Keyword eg Coventry. Then, for example, click on St Osburg and Catalogue in Full on the top of the page. This will list what records they have for this church. You either have to visit the archives to do your own research or hire a researcher which could be difficult for you as you live in Australia. But to find out the name of the church where your ancestors married in Coventry in 1846 you could send an email to the archivist, Father John Sharp. In April I had a holiday in Warwickshire and visited the archives to research my Roman Catholic roots. In particular researching the LAPWORTH family from Chilvers Coton, Nuneaton. They converted to Catholicism about 1850. When my Great Great Grandmother Teresa Lapworth married in 1881 her husband to be William BEESLEY converted to Catholicism a few months before they married. I was unsure of the rules for Catholics marrying in the 1800's so I contacted the priest at the church where they married and this is an extract from his reply to me Quote "For your Gt Gt G'parents to be married at Our Lady's it would have been usual for both to be catholics - though in canon Law only one needs to be as long as there was a dispensation from the bishop." Unquote The Catholic parish registers that I looked at for Nuneaton & Tamworth contain a lot of information. The baptism records gave the date of baptism, date of birth, father's name, mother's maiden name and the name of the godparents. The burial records gave the date of death, age at date and date of burial. The only trouble was the a lot of it was in Latin, even the christian names but Father John Sharp was very helpful & patient explaining the Latin to me. Also the Diocese of Birmingham has it's own website which has a list the Catholic churches in Coventry and their addresses. http://www.birminghamdiocese.org.uk/ Hope this helps Regards Carole Mary Temple <marytemple@gmail.com> wrote: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:28:52 +0800 Hello all I have a puzzle and who amongst has not! Well more than one actually, but they are related. My great grandparents Henry Richardson and Ann Thacker were married - according to the certificate - in the Roman Catholic Church in the District of Coventry and - again according to the certificate were - married in the Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by me J A A Clarkson and signed also by John Weston Registrar. This was on the thirteenth Day of April 1846. At the time of his marriage Henry was living at Town Wall in the City of Coventry and Anne in Harnall Lane in the City of Coventry. Does any one know the name of the Church please? I have also been told several times that a marriage in a Roman Catholic Chuch did not happen at this time, they were all married in C of E Churches first and then may be had their own ceremony later. Well we certainly have one here that did - does any one else have such a marriage???? Certainly the registrar was present and that made it legal. Certainly at least one partner, the Richardsons or the Thackers must have been Roman Catholic, perhaps both, but it has not come down this side of the family. Their son, Joseph, my grandfather, was married in St Andrews in Leicester. This may well be why I am having trouble finding the birth of Henry's father, John c1790 - which can be either in Brailles or Coventry according to which census is consulted. There is a RC Church in Brailles I notice. Some difficulty with William Thacker's birth and death, William was of course Ann's father. Does anyone else have the same problems please - trying to locate records that may have been Roman Catholic? Best wishes to all listers Mary Western Australia --------------------------------- Do not compromise. Get unlimited storage and first rate spam protection with Yahoo! Mail.

Hello all I have a puzzle and who amongst has not! Well more than one actually, but they are related. My great grandparents Henry Richardson and Ann Thacker were married - according to the certificate - in the Roman Catholic Church in the District of Coventry and - again according to the certificate were - married in the Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by me J A A Clarkson and signed also by John Weston Registrar. This was on the thirteenth Day of April 1846. At the time of his marriage Henry was living at Town Wall in the City of Coventry and Anne in Harnall Lane in the City of Coventry. Does any one know the name of the Church please? I have also been told several times that a marriage in a Roman Catholic Chuch did not happen at this time, they were all married in C of E Churches first and then may be had their own ceremony later. Well we certainly have one here that did - does any one else have such a marriage???? Certainly the registrar was present and that made it legal. Certainly at least one partner, the Richardsons or the Thackers must have been Roman Catholic, perhaps both, but it has not come down this side of the family. Their son, Joseph, my grandfather, was married in St Andrews in Leicester. This may well be why I am having trouble finding the birth of Henry's father, John c1790 - which can be either in Brailles or Coventry according to which census is consulted. There is a RC Church in Brailles I notice. Some difficulty with William Thacker's birth and death, William was of course Ann's father. Does anyone else have the same problems please - trying to locate records that may have been Roman Catholic? Best wishes to all listers Mary Western Australia

Hi Beth, Whilst I don't have many details, there are several Kibler's associated with my tree - Mary Pratt married William KIBLER in 1798 at St Mary's church in Warwick, with witness Ann Kibler. and in 1801 William Pratt married Ann Kibler again in St Mary's church, Warwick. I don't have more details on these, nor any additional relatives - sorry, but you may want to search the Warwick town records Happy Hunting Pickard Trepess Nagykanizsa, Hungary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Drummond" <e_m_drummond@yahoo.co.nz> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: [WAR] KIBLER of Eatington > Dear listers > > My 2x gt grandmother MARY KIBLER was born in the 1790s. When she was > married in Eatington/Ettington in 1813, she was described as "of this > parish". I know that this doesn't necessarily mean she was born there, but > I am wondering if anybody on the list has access to the parish registers > for that time and would be able to look for her birth.She had a sister > SARAH, I think. Any leads gratefully received. > > > Many thanks > Beth > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com >

According to Crockfords index Rev R Sweet has retired but there is still a Rev Margaret Sweet at Holy Trinity, Stratford-on-Avon Holy Trinity Church Parish office, Old Town, Stratford upon Avon, Warwickshire, CV37 9BG Tel/Fax: 01789 266316. email: office@stratford-upon-avon.org MAR in France. > Message du 19/05/07 22:30 > De : "Judy Bingham" > A : WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] Help finding old friends, please -- > > Hi -- > > I have some old friends who were very helpful to me with my genealogy and I'd like to contact them. The last address I have for them is: > > Rev. and Mrs. Reg C. Sweet > 5 Broad Street > Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire > > I'd really appreciate it if someone has a directory and could check on this for me. > > Take care -- > Judy Bingham > Fullerton, California > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

-----If you want to read about Roman Catholicism in Coventry try the Victorian County History of Warwickshire: The link to the index page is http://www.british-history.ac.uk/catalogue.asp?gid=34 the link to Coventry's Roman Catolic churches is http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16040 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Temple" <marytemple@gmail.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 5:28 AM Subject: [WAR] Roman Catholic Marriages > Hello all > > I have a puzzle and who amongst has not! Well more than one actually, but > they are related. > > My great grandparents Henry Richardson and Ann Thacker were married - > according to the certificate - in the Roman Catholic Church in the > District > of Coventry and - again according to the certificate were - married in the > Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman > Catholic Church by me J A A Clarkson and signed also by John Weston > Registrar. This was on the thirteenth Day of April 1846. At the time of > his > marriage Henry was living at Town Wall in the City of Coventry and Anne in > Harnall Lane in the City of Coventry. > > Does any one know the name of the Church please? > > I have also been told several times that a marriage in a Roman Catholic > Chuch did not happen at this time, they were all married in C of E > Churches > first and then may be had their own ceremony later. Well we certainly have > one here that did - does any one else have such a marriage???? Certainly > the > registrar was present and that made it legal. > > Certainly at least one partner, the Richardsons or the Thackers must have > been Roman Catholic, perhaps both, but it has not come down this side of > the > family. Their son, Joseph, my grandfather, was married in St Andrews in > Leicester. > > This may well be why I am having trouble finding the birth of Henry's > father, John c1790 - which can be either in Brailles or Coventry according > to which census is consulted. There is a RC Church in Brailles I notice. > Some difficulty with William Thacker's birth and death, William was of > course Ann's father. > > Does anyone else have the same problems please - trying to locate records > that may have been Roman Catholic? > > Best wishes to all listers > > Mary > Western Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Mary, In England the dedication of a church is considered of relatively little importance - it is only when there's more-than-one of the same denomination within a town or a Civil Parish that extends over a wide area that the dedication is used to identify which one is meant. As the certificate states that the marriage was performed "in the Roman Catholic Church in the District of Coventry" that would be sufficient. Yes, there was a roughly 80-year period when Catholics [and all other 'nonconformists' other than Quakers and Jews] *did* have to marry in a Church of England church for the marriage to be 'legal' - but that was only between 1754 and 30 June 1837, when Civil Registration was introduced. Only Church of England Incumbents were permitted to hold Marriage Registers, though, which explains the presence of the Registrar here. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Temple" <marytemple@gmail.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 5:28 AM Subject: [WAR] Roman Catholic Marriages Hello all I have a puzzle and who amongst has not! Well more than one actually, but they are related. My great grandparents Henry Richardson and Ann Thacker were married - according to the certificate - in the Roman Catholic Church in the District of Coventry and - again according to the certificate were - married in the Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church by me J A A Clarkson and signed also by John Weston Registrar. This was on the thirteenth Day of April 1846. At the time of his marriage Henry was living at Town Wall in the City of Coventry and Anne in Harnall Lane in the City of Coventry. Does any one know the name of the Church please? I have also been told several times that a marriage in a Roman Catholic Chuch did not happen at this time, they were all married in C of E Churches first and then may be had their own ceremony later. Well we certainly have one here that did - does any one else have such a marriage???? Certainly the registrar was present and that made it legal. Certainly at least one partner, the Richardsons or the Thackers must have been Roman Catholic, perhaps both, but it has not come down this side of the family. Their son, Joseph, my grandfather, was married in St Andrews in Leicester. This may well be why I am having trouble finding the birth of Henry's father, John c1790 - which can be either in Brailles or Coventry according to which census is consulted. There is a RC Church in Brailles I notice. Some difficulty with William Thacker's birth and death, William was of course Ann's father. Does anyone else have the same problems please - trying to locate records that may have been Roman Catholic? Best wishes to all listers Mary Western Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers My 2x gt grandmother MARY KIBLER was born in the 1790s. When she was married in Eatington/Ettington in 1813, she was described as "of this parish". I know that this doesn't necessarily mean she was born there, but I am wondering if anybody on the list has access to the parish registers for that time and would be able to look for her birth.She had a sister SARAH, I think. Any leads gratefully received. Many thanks Beth Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on the occupants of 22 Duddeston Row. Following the suggestion of Nivard Ovington I found the resident in 1901.Not quite what I expected, the head was a Mary A Albright a Widow aged 47 occupation - Hingeworker. I am also awaiting a request for electoral roll info for 1904 from Birmingham Central Library. Keith.

I have started doing my BEACH family history again . Is there anyone else research this name or this family . Thomas BEACH son Charles b.c1806 married Elizabeth CALVER in 1838 St Martins .Birmingham children .... Jane b1839,Frank b1840 ,Sarah b1843 ,Thomas b1845,Richard b1849 , d.1905 ,Charles b1851 ,Mark b1856 all but last one born Meriden .Mark born Sheldon. My husband is decended from Richard . Jean

Heather This Page includes arrivals to all Ports in New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/ Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Quineys Sent: Friday, 18 May 2007 8:21 p.m. To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Immigrant ships to N.Z. Does anyone know of a similar site for those arriving in Nelson (north end of Southern Island IYSWIM)? Heather Q Peter & Jan Pritchard wrote: > Hi > > I know that the following website has links on the page for shipping > arrivals into Auckland. I have found some of my own family on them. > > Cheers > Jan in Mackay, > Queensland > > > > http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Resources/NewZealand/History/FamilyHistor > y/Auckland/index.asp ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have checked BVRI v2 but there are no Kiblers before 1870 anywhere in Warwickshire. Coverage isn't brilliant in Warwickshire :-( Good luck with the hunting Heather Q Elizabeth Drummond wrote: > Dear listers > > My 2x gt grandmother MARY KIBLER was born in the 1790s. When she was married in Eatington/Ettington in 1813, she was described as "of this parish". I know that this doesn't necessarily mean she was born there, but I am wondering if anybody on the list has access to the parish registers for that time and would be able to look for her birth.She had a sister SARAH, I think. Any leads gratefully received. > > > Many thanks > Beth > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi -- I have some old friends who were very helpful to me with my genealogy and I'd like to contact them. The last address I have for them is: Rev. and Mrs. Reg C. Sweet 5 Broad Street Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire I'd really appreciate it if someone has a directory and could check on this for me. Take care -- Judy Bingham Fullerton, California

I'd rather do good than harm! Gwyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Russell" <thecovkid@tiscali.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] WARWICK Digest, Vol 2, Issue 158 > Good Morning > Thanks Trevor, I guess I am walking in the wrong direction each time, like > others I > must take a look and if we all note these things they may not 'disappear' > so easily > when the do gooder's appear > > John > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > - Special message from TalkTalk - Please help in the search for Madeleine McCann Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann, has devised an email poster as she fears that Madeleine may have been taken to Spain where the girl's disappearance has generated less attention. You can download the poster from here http://news.aol.co.uk/web-appeal-over-missing-madeleine/article/20070510063809990001. Anyone with information should contact the Portuguese police direct on 00 351 282 405 400 (international call rates apply) or contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.