Fellow listers, in a transcript of the 1633 Visitation of London there is a reference to 'Joyce, daughter of Nason of Rougham', who married Walter Aston in 1619? In Aston genealogies there are references to 'Nason of Roughton'. I can find Rougham/Roughton in Norfolk, which has never been Nason territory. The Astons were Midlands gentry and lived in Staffs; Nason was, particularly circa 1600, a Warwickshire name. Will anyone hazard a guess at a possible Warwickshire location for Rougham or its sound-a-like? A Joyce Nason was baptised in 1560 in Wellesbourne but would have been rather long in the tooth at marriage? - it is reported that Joyce was Walter's 2nd wife, so a possibility. Thanks.

In two words: Agricultural depression. OK, I will be shot down! Things are **never** that simple and straight forward. Wool and wheat prices were dropping by the 1860s, many tried to weather the coming storm - sons were sent off to earn their crust in other occupations. Corn Laws, Enclosures (some were as late as mid-1800s, others on the list may know when parts of south Warwickshire were enclosed), dropping incomes, tenancy not renewed (there was no security of tenure for farmers until well into 1900s)...and also family difficulties. Maybe having educated his sons he had emptied his coffers at a time when the means to refill them was unexpectedly not available. There could be specific problems in that area - and they may have been exacerbated by the overall problems in agriculture. The numbers employed in agriculture started to fall in the 1860s. That he had a bank account does, however, suggest he was far from being on his uppers! Was he something of a man of horses and "groom" perhaps doesn't reflect his position. Did he move with others from the area? It is not often that the story is easily unravelled - we just have to keep picking away at the threads... Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Bliim To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] From Warwickshire to Australia What were conditions like in Warwickshire in the 1860's that led to significant migrations? My wife's great great grandfather - John Huggins - farmed 270 acres at Avon Dassett at the time of the 1861 census with his son George. By 1866 John and his wife have a bank account with the New York Emigrant Bank and live in Glen Oak, NY and he works as a groom. His son George moved to Australia, initially to Victoria - gold fields? One son moved to London as a doctor and another was a solicitor - those moves I understand but what changes a man that farms 270 acres and employs several men and boys to a groom in New York? Cheers Steven Bliim Sydney, Australia -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacqui Simkins Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2007 5:32 PM To: Wendy Boland; warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] From Warwickshire to Australia Maybe Warwickshire should have a week-long "home coming" like some of the Scottish Islands do; when descendants of those who left Warwickshire are encouraged to come and visit, join together, participate in local events for family historians and generally see Warwickshire of today...a far cry from the rural place it was when many left. Even Wendy will be surprised at the changes...!!!! (South Warwickshire is less "developed" than the north...though not all would necessarily call it development). J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Boland To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: [WAR] From Warwickshire to Australia G'day Trying to keep us focused on Warwickshire - although it is probably of use to many researchers as this URL has info re many of the schemes for the different states and also to other destinations such as Canada and Jamacia http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/emigrate.htm snip<<< Emigration to Queensland 1890. Free passages to Queensland The following news articles were published in Warwickshire, England, in 1890, and were kindly made available by Viv Pritchard in Warks, England. "Wanted. Queensland.Australia. Free passages given. Single farm labourers and female domestic servants 17 - 35. Men must be country resident and wholly agricultural. LAND ORDERS value £20 granted to each fee-payng passenger. For particulars, forms of application, & etc, write to (if possible see) MR W.A ARCHER. 70 Regent St.Leamington." (Leamington- Leamington Spa - Warwickshire) src: Rugby Advertiser, 25th Jan 1890. "Free Passage to Queensland, Australia Farm labourers and Female Domestic Servants GEORGE RANDALL, ESQ. Emigration Commissioner From Queensland will visit Warwickshire next week, accompanied by the authorised Agent for the Midlands, Mr W.R. Archer, of Leamington, to answer enquiries, see applicants personally, and give full information, and will be in attendance at the following places:- Rugby Leamington Fenny Compton Kineton Alcester Banbury Those who wish to go to Queensland free, should not fail to come to the nearest of above named places, and so save expense of coming to Leamington. Apply for forms etc by post to W.R. Archer, 70, Regent Street, Leamington" src: Rugby Advertiser 2nd Jan 1889,>>>>>>>>> There is a great deal of information online about migrants including passenger listings------ google! Good hunting Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05/06/2007 14:38 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05/06/2007 14:38

I have George CHATTERLEY, christened in Morton Bagot 3rd Mar 1799. His parents were Thomas and Betty. There were three other children christened there to Thomas and Betty between 1788 and 1794(5). Now there were 5 children christened to Thomas and Elizabeth in Morton Bagot between 1778 and 1787. There is a marriage between Thomas and Elizabeth BLACKFORD there on 24th Apr 1777. It seems logical that they were the same couple but is anyone able to confirm that Elizabeth didn't die c1787 and that Thomas didn't marry a Betty c1788. The other assumption I would make is that the vicar changed in 1787/8. The former was of the "old school" and used her real name and that the latter was of the "new school" and used the name she was known by. Any comments would be happily accepted. Mike in a hot Whakatane NZ

The Salvation Army had a scheme in the 1920s (see http://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/43400/Leaving_from_Liverpool.html and http://www.blognow.com.au/mrpickwick/44721/ Fremantle_via_Capetown_1929.html for some of the material I have written, including a list of emigrants in October 1929, about the experience my grandparents had). I am guessing other religious groups also did so. I think some of the Australian state governments may also have had individual schemes. David Horton Australia

G'Day Yes there were quite a few schemes to bring people over to Oz. The infamous "let's dump the felons Scheme"- then the "bring wives for the felons Scheme" <grin> In the later years it seemed a good idea to send the surplus ag labs over. Then of course it was "orphans" and other unwanted children who were sent over. Various people recruited potential migrants in the UK. Caroline Chisholm was actively helping young women find employment and lodgings in Sydney and Wollongong NSW in the early years (1850s 60s I think) The Agricultural Labourers Union paid their members fares and actively recruited families in Warwickshire in the 1880s . Some Parishes also paid the fares as it was cheaper to send a poverty stricken family over here than to pay for their long term upkeep in the UK. There were various other schemes around too and I think you will find that copies of the some recruiting posters are extant. There were Agents who visited, gave talks and recruited in the towns and villages. >From past reading- I seem to remember that a family had to have a certain amount of goods - i.e. clothes etc. before they were allowed to board the ship. My husband and I were ten quid tourists in the 1960s when emigration was much easier than it is now for UK citizens. We came to God's Own Country and stayed ! The Populate or Perish slogan was a scare tactic to ward off the invading hordes from neighbouring countries - they are still trying to scare us into having more children! Cheers Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin T Apparently people have been immigrating to Australia for over 40,000 years! Must be a nice place .... Apparently you thought that "Australia must populate or perish...." ?

Maybe Warwickshire should have a week-long "home coming" like some of the Scottish Islands do; when descendants of those who left Warwickshire are encouraged to come and visit, join together, participate in local events for family historians and generally see Warwickshire of today...a far cry from the rural place it was when many left. Even Wendy will be surprised at the changes...!!!! (South Warwickshire is less "developed" than the north...though not all would necessarily call it development). J. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Boland To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: [WAR] From Warwickshire to Australia G'day Trying to keep us focused on Warwickshire - although it is probably of use to many researchers as this URL has info re many of the schemes for the different states and also to other destinations such as Canada and Jamacia http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/emigrate.htm snip<<< Emigration to Queensland 1890. Free passages to Queensland The following news articles were published in Warwickshire, England, in 1890, and were kindly made available by Viv Pritchard in Warks, England. "Wanted. Queensland.Australia. Free passages given. Single farm labourers and female domestic servants 17 - 35. Men must be country resident and wholly agricultural. LAND ORDERS value £20 granted to each fee-payng passenger. For particulars, forms of application, & etc, write to (if possible see) MR W.A ARCHER. 70 Regent St.Leamington." (Leamington- Leamington Spa - Warwickshire) src: Rugby Advertiser, 25th Jan 1890. "Free Passage to Queensland, Australia Farm labourers and Female Domestic Servants GEORGE RANDALL, ESQ. Emigration Commissioner From Queensland will visit Warwickshire next week, accompanied by the authorised Agent for the Midlands, Mr W.R. Archer, of Leamington, to answer enquiries, see applicants personally, and give full information, and will be in attendance at the following places:- Rugby Leamington Fenny Compton Kineton Alcester Banbury Those who wish to go to Queensland free, should not fail to come to the nearest of above named places, and so save expense of coming to Leamington. Apply for forms etc by post to W.R. Archer, 70, Regent Street, Leamington" src: Rugby Advertiser 2nd Jan 1889,>>>>>>>>> There is a great deal of information online about migrants including passenger listings------ google! Good hunting Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 05/06/2007 14:38

Hello all Seeing Wendy's mention of the Agricultural Labourers Union (or whatever title it had at that time)...Joseph Arch of south Warwickshire was a major player in the formation of this union. They had a very active programme with Canada - Arch visited there and recruited farmers to employ ag labs from England. His autobiography makes interesting reading. The Middlemore Homes in Birmingham area also had a programme to send children to Canada - there is an article about the homes in one of the compilation books about Birmingham Talking of overseas migration generally - when trawling newspapers, I have come across adverts that an agent would be "in town" on particular dates to promote "opportunities" to migrate. You read these snippets when hunting for other material, and forget to write them down! But there were active efforts made to recruit migrants in addition to those being made by Poor Law Overseers, etc, wanting to shift excess population off their patch. Not all who left UK's shores were "felons being off loaded"...Scotland lost a lot of families to overseas particularly from Highlands and Islands during the "clearances", Ireland due to famine - and some of these were helped to migrate, others had to scrape together what they could. England's "clearances" were localised - but hardship and loss of independence occurred. (There are some places around the world that I have visited that are more "Scottish" than Scotland!) It is very difficult for us to understand migration of families at a particular time - but if you look at the area where the family lived, the economic situation at the time in that local area, and the opportunities (or lack of them) of work (no work equated to no food and probably no roof over your head) you can start to get a feel for what drove people to migrate, and in some cases, what drove philanthropists and others to assist the migration process. I wonder if there has been any study to compare the numbers who migrated on government schemes, on philanthropic or commercially-driven schemes or "under their own steam"? Jacqui G'Day Yes there were quite a few schemes to bring people over to Oz. The infamous "let's dump the felons Scheme"- then the "bring wives for the felons Scheme" <grin> In the later years it seemed a good idea to send the surplus ag labs over. Then of course it was "orphans" and other unwanted children who were sent over. Various people recruited potential migrants in the UK. Caroline Chisholm was actively helping young women find employment and lodgings in Sydney and Wollongong NSW in the early years (1850s 60s I think) The Agricultural Labourers Union paid their members fares and actively recruited families in Warwickshire in the 1880s . Some Parishes also paid the fares as it was cheaper to send a poverty stricken family over here than to pay for their long term upkeep in the UK. There were various other schemes around too and I think you will find that copies of the some recruiting posters are extant. There were Agents who visited, gave talks and recruited in the towns and villages. >From past reading- I seem to remember that a family had to have a certain amount of goods - i.e. clothes etc. before they were allowed to board the ship. My husband and I were ten quid tourists in the 1960s when emigration was much easier than it is now for UK citizens. We came to God's Own Country and stayed ! The Populate or Perish slogan was a scare tactic to ward off the invading hordes from neighbouring countries - they are still trying to scare us into having more children! Cheers Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin T Apparently people have been immigrating to Australia for over 40,000 years! Must be a nice place .... Apparently you thought that "Australia must populate or perish...." ?

I have always thought that elastic web weaving produced fabric for support stockings. When my dad worked for Heathcotes at Carn Brea they had an auxiliary factory making Lastonet stockings. I always imagined that elastic web was a precursor of this. http://www.hillfields.org.uk/History/Weaving.htm As our "leader", Wendy, says ....... "ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS - GOOGLE!" Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. >From: "Peter J Richardson" <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> >To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WAR] Elastic Weaving in Coventry (Re: Odells) >Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:12:40 +0100 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "m payne" <payne1@bigpond.com> >To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:22 AM >Subject: [WAR] Odells > > > > Thanks Pat! I will check Richard & Georgina out. The Elastic Weaving >Company was definately in the family. > > Regards. Marie > >Please could you tell me a bit about the elastic weaving industry? Was >there a lot of elastic weaving in >Coventry? What exactly was it? > >I have a relative (William Richardson, b.c.1849) who was an "Elastic Web >Weaver" at the time of the 1871 census, >an "Elastic Webb Manufacturer" at the time of the 1881 census and an "India >Elastic Web Manufacturer" in 1891. >He disappears after 1891 - I assume "India" refers to the type of elastic >as in "India rubber" as opposed to him >being likely to start a factory in India? > >Thanks >Peter > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "m payne" <payne1@bigpond.com> To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: [WAR] Odells > Thanks Pat! I will check Richard & Georgina out. The Elastic Weaving Company was definately in the family. > Regards. Marie Please could you tell me a bit about the elastic weaving industry? Was there a lot of elastic weaving in Coventry? What exactly was it? I have a relative (William Richardson, b.c.1849) who was an "Elastic Web Weaver" at the time of the 1871 census, an "Elastic Webb Manufacturer" at the time of the 1881 census and an "India Elastic Web Manufacturer" in 1891. He disappears after 1891 - I assume "India" refers to the type of elastic as in "India rubber" as opposed to him being likely to start a factory in India? Thanks Peter

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Thanks Pat! I will check Richard & Georgina out. The Elastic Weaving Company was definately in the family. Regards. Marie

Hi All you could always try your local library as a number in the USA and GB have the Ancestry Library Edition available free to use on their computers. Mike Fisher now in Droitwich formerly of Wythall,Solihull Lodge & Billesley,Birmingham ----- Original Message ----- From: "e bromwich" <ezziej@yahoo.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Ancestory.com > Hello list, > > Just to let you know I clicked on the three day free on Ancestory.com > that was posted on this list and I received this message: > This offer is not available. > > > > There's still a lot you can do with Ancestry! > Our records show that you have already taken advantage of a 3 days free > offer or another similar offer. You can still use our many free services > or check out the other offers we have available. Thank you for your > interest in Ancestry.com. > > > I do NOT subscribe to Ancestry.com and I only use it when it is > free..which has been a long time ago. So as you can see I do not think > that you can accept their "gift" more than once > > Regards, > Ezziej Bromwich > USA >

Hello List Of interest to all family historians will be the government's recent agreement to permit re-use of graves. There is an article from "The Guardian" on http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6684892,00.html There is some background information at http://www.dca.gov.uk/consult/buriallaw/buriallaw_cp0105.htm Jacqui

Hi Karen, Maureen got them all correct - according to 'Making Use of the Census' by Susan Lumas, the invaluable guide published by the National Archives. Regards Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Barnes" <scpatriot@bellsouth.net> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: [WAR] the month census were taken > Can anyone tell me if there is a specific month the census were taken? > > Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 04/06/07 18:43 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 04/06/07 18:43

Matt, Assisted immigration occured after world war 2 for about 20years whereby suitable English migrants could come to Australia for 10 Pounds provided they stayed for ,I think 5years ,they were known as "10 pound poms!".There also appeared to be some similiar scheme in Victoria before Federation (1902) but i don't know the mechanics of it . Hope this helps Cheers Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: <mattrussell79@aol.com> To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: [WAR] Help understanding assisted immigration > Hi, > > I am wondering if someone would be able to explain what exactly assisted > immigration was. > > My ancestors came from Warwick to Australia and they appear on a 'assisted > immigration' index. > > > Who provided the assistance? I am assuming that the assistance was money? > > The ships records give names and dates of arrival. Are there any other > records relating to the immigration that I might be able to obtain? > > > Did a person have to apply to be assisted, if so how was that done? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Kind regards matt > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello List, I have an Edward Hudson who died in 1838 at Duddeston in the parish of Aston. could someone suggested where he may have been buried. Any assistance wouold be appreciated. Ray Perth, Western Australia

Hi Karen Here are the census dates: 1841 Census 6th June 1851 Census 30th March 1861 Census 7th April 1871 Census 2 April 1881 Census 3rd April 1891 Census 5th April 1901 Census 31 March HTH Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Barnes Sent: 05 June 2007 13:29 To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] the month census were taken Can anyone tell me if there is a specific month the census were taken? Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have John CHATTERLEY (Bapt Bearley 14 Sept 1758) married to Elizabeth FREEMAN; 20 Jun 1782 in Bearley, Warwicks with seven children born in Bearley (or Snitterfield) before 1794. In the 1841 Census there is an 80 year old John CHATTERLEY living in Bearley with a 50 year old Esther and Job 15 and Maria 10. The IGI has a marriage betwen John CHATTERLEY and Esther HARRIS 5 March 1810 in Birmingham. There are also a number of CHATTERLEY children born to John and Esther from about 1810 in Bearley. I "believe" that it could be the same John CHATTERLEY. Can anyone help please. Mike