Hello Helen Thanks for that, yes I have him in 1851. I also have him in 1841 as Ruben LAWERENCE!! As his brother named a son exactly the same I wondered if he had died but there is nothing in FreeBMD. There is a death of Mary Ann LAWRENCE in Cambridge in 1863!! Thanks again. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Verrall To: 'Mike' ; WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: RE: [WAR] Where is Reuben LAWRENCE Married 1862 Snitterfield? Mike Has a search on Ancestry with no luck. Only Census I can locate him in is 1851. Presume you have that. If not let me know and I'll send the image. Helen New Zealand

Thanks you Ann for your attempt to help. Unfortunately it doesn't pan out. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [WAR] Where is Reuben LAWRENCE Married 1862 Snitterfield? Hello Again. Reuben Perry LAWRENCE married Mary Ann CHATTERLEY in Snitterfield on 21st August 1862. Is anyone able to help with their whereabouts after that? I cannot find them in any census. Reuben was born in Cambridge in 1839. The 1864 born Reuben Perry LAWRENCE, who also appears in the 1891 and 1901 censuses, is the son of William Henry LAWRENCE. Mike in Whakatane NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike Has a search on Ancestry with no luck. Only Census I can locate him in is 1851. Presume you have that. If not let me know and I'll send the image. Helen New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, 11 June 2007 10:36 a.m. To: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Where is Reuben LAWRENCE Married 1862 Snitterfield? Hello Again. Reuben Perry LAWRENCE married Mary Ann CHATTERLEY in Snitterfield on 21st August 1862. Is anyone able to help with their whereabouts after that? I cannot find them in any census. Reuben was born in Cambridge in 1839. The 1864 born Reuben Perry LAWRENCE, who also appears in the 1891 and 1901 censuses, is the son of William Henry LAWRENCE. Mike in Whakatane NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Again. Reuben Perry LAWRENCE married Mary Ann CHATTERLEY in Snitterfield on 21st August 1862. Is anyone able to help with their whereabouts after that? I cannot find them in any census. Reuben was born in Cambridge in 1839. The 1864 born Reuben Perry LAWRENCE, who also appears in the 1891 and 1901 censuses, is the son of William Henry LAWRENCE. Mike in Whakatane NZ

Would there be a Paul Hunt on this list researching the surname Wright and Eldershaw? Thank You Carol

SWAILER - miller or dealer in grain http://www.genealogyinc.com/enc_occupations/job-A.html Happy hunting Ann Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: 9/06/2007 10:46 AM

Many thanks to all those that came up with the description of a swailer for me, and so fast too! Thanks again, Michael McAllister p.s. For those that still don't know, a swailer is a miller/dealer in flour

Listers, with regard to my question as to the 'Rougham' mentioned in the 1633 herald's visitation of London, as you will have gathered Joyce Nason came from Rowington, which fact is confirmed by her being named in her father's 1626 will, Thomas Nason of Kingswood in the parish of Rowington. I return to the subject merely to point it out as an example of what we already know - that 'official' sources can seldom be taken for granted. When Joyce's sons gave information to the heralds, they may have had only a hazy recollection of where their mother came from. But it could be that their mother actually pronounced 'Rowington' as 'Rowton' (I wonder if the older locals still do?) and her sons faithfully reported that. All that was left was for the heralds to take a stab at its spelling. Once again, thanks for the input. MN

Many thanks Ann, another snippet added to my brain, hopefully it will stay there for a few years! Regards, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann menzies" <barmenz@bigpond.net.au> To: "'Michael McAllister'" <mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com>; "'B'ham list'" <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com>; "'Warwick List'" <WARWICK-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [WAR] occupation - swailer > > > SWAILER - miller or dealer in grain > > http://www.genealogyinc.com/enc_occupations/job-A.html > > Happy hunting > Ann > Australia > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/842 - Release Date: 9/06/2007 > 10:46 AM > > >

Hi List, trying to transcibe the PRs from Tamworth, I have come across an occupation descibed as a 'swailer', as I have no idea what one is/was, I tied to Google it to no avail! Has anyone of the List any ideas please? Regards, Michael McAllister

I seem to recall a fairly recent news item that researchers have discovered, using DNA analysis, that the original occupants of what we now call the British Isles came from the present day Basque region. The Celts came much later I guess. Vic Taylor

Can anyone help with a marriage search? If you live near St Nicholas Church in Kenilworth or are researching in that area could you please look for the marriage of Joseph Holland to Elizabeth Burbury on 28th January 1794. I am anxious to find any details of Joseph which might be on a marriage record. Elizabeth was his second wife, his first wife Sarah? having died with all but one of his children, of smallpox. He would not be a young man at the time of his second marriage. >From a wet, wintry day in New Zealand. Elizabeth Foster

Elizabeth, Elizabeth Foster wrote: > Can anyone help with a marriage search? If you live near St Nicholas Church > in Kenilworth or are researching in that area could you please look for the > marriage of Joseph Holland to Elizabeth Burbury on 28th January 1794. I am > anxious to find any details of Joseph which might be on a marriage record. One small bit of information I have: In the will of Elizabeth's father John BURBERY of Kenilworth Chase, written in 1804, he mentions: 'I also give and bequeath to my daughter Elizabeth the wife of Joseph Holland Silkman and my son William two hundred and fifty pounds apiece to be paid to them at the end of twelve calendar months next after my decease ...' (From the Public Records Office, Reference No. Prob 11/744, Image Reference 397) Douglas -- E-mail: douglas@burbury.net ---------------- Launceston, Tasmania http://www.burbury.net (Burbury family research website)

Hi MN, I have found your "Rougham/Roughton", it is Rowington, Warwickshire, about 6 miles from Warwick. If you go to www.familysearch.com and put in Joyce NASON you will come up with a whole list of Joyce NASON's. Number 11 is the one you want. If you go to the National Achives site and search Nason of Rowington there are a two entries but no mention of Joyce. It appears that Joyce's son Walter went to America and died in Charles City County, Virginia which you may already know. There is apparently a book "Old Tombstones of Charles City County" with his listed, unless I'm completely on the wrong track. I may be able to get access to the book if you don't have this info., in a couple of days unless another lister can do it before. Listings on IGI are a good way to start but as with all things genealogy, must be backed up with other sources. I checked Domesday online and Rowington was then named Rochintone. Good luck, Lynne.

Searching for family info for William PENN, b. 1751 probably Birmingham, d. 26 Jul 1830 in Coleshill, Warwickshire. Possibly buried at St. Peter's & St. Paul's. No spouse or parents known. No occupation known. Brother was Edward PENN b. 1 May 1741 of Birmingham, d. 7 Apr 1787 Birmingham, m. Elizabeth CORDELL (no marriage date known). Edward and Elizabeth are my ggggg-grandparents. Their son, Edward PENN b. 3 Mar 1776, was the registrar for Warden & Marston Iron Works, Smallbrook St., Birmingham. His wife was Elizabeth WARDEN. Any help on any of the people above is greatly appreciated! Eleanor Rayl Indianapolis, Indiana ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Recent genetic evidence has largely discredited the conventional view of Celtic people (ie speakers of "Celtic" languages) being linked to the Celtic culture of Central Europe (La Tene and all that!). The key genetic markers show a strong link between modern British people and the Ice Age refuge around what is now the Basque Country (either side of the Pyrennees). Central/ Northern European origins are much rarer - and principally found in Eastern England. There is a good book on the subject, which I've read; I'll try to trace its title and author. Gwyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Verrall" <hverrall@ihug.co.nz> To: "'Faith Capnerhurst'" <fcapnerhurst@msn.com>; <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Origins > Faith > > There was a Documentary on TVNZ, about 2 years ago , telling of possible > origins of all Celtish People. > > They put forward the idea , and did have some valid evidence , that the > race > originated in an area around the mouth of the Danube, and also NW of > there. > > Helen > New Zealand > > > -----Original Message----- > From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Faith Capnerhurst > Sent: Friday, 8 June 2007 5:54 p.m. > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WAR] Origins > > > Hi Listers, > > My daughter, Brittany, has been reading a thick book of English history, > and > > she has asked me a question that I am not able to answer, so thought I > would > > throw it out to you. While not dealing exclusively with Warwickshire > perhaps, it does deal with British origins. > >>From the book, A History Of England and the British Empire by Walter >>Phelps > > Hall, my daughter read the following sentence: "The last of these early > invaders were the so-called Celts, the first of five conquerors--Celt > Roman > Saxon Dane and Norman--about whom there is some written knowledge." First > of all, we found this sentence to be a bit confusing--how could they be > the > last *and* the first? Does anyone know where the Celts came from? Are > they > > Irish? Scots? Welsh? or English? or perhaps their blood flows in all > Britts' > > veins? The book says that no one knows where they came from, but I > figured > > since this was written in 1953 that perhaps something had been discovered > since then. Worth a try, right? > > Any input welcome. > > Regards, > > Faith Capnerhurst > On floodwatch in hopefully not too sunny Chilliwack, BC, Canada > > > > > > researching CAPNERHURST/CAPENHURST, CHADD, CARRINGTON, SMITH, CLARK(E) & > ALLEN > > > > > >>From: "Wendy Boland" <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> >>To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [WAR] Latin lessons for the masochists amongst us! >>Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:14:54 +1000 >> >>Latin lessons for the masochists amongst us! >> >>G'day All. >> >>Do you remember how to conjugate a verb or did you flunk Latin as I did? >>amo amas amat - is about all I remember- sorry Mr Holland . >> >>I see the National Archives has a tutorial available online for those who >>wish to experience the torture they missed out on in High School! >> >>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/latin/beginners/tutorial/default.htm >> >>There is also a course on Palaeography 1500 to 1800 >>http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/palaeography/ >> >>That should keep you all very busy for the rest of June! >> >>There will be a twenty minute oral test and a 2 hour written examination >>at the end of this email <grin> >>Cheers >>Wendy >>Warwick List Admin. >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes > >>in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail. Now with better security, storage and features. > www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA149 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I understand she was from Rugby, married James Muirhead either just before or just after WWI Sorry, that's all I have at the moment. Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

Hi there. I'm catching up on my email and saw your request re Roughton in Warwickshire. Has anyone suggested Ryton? It was a hamlet in the Bulkington area. One Edward Nason, minister, married my ancestors John Gilbert and Mary Orton at Bulkington in 1806. Good luck with your research. Pat (Whitby, Ontario)

http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/words.exe For all those people needing a quick Latin translation! This the best one I have found online. There are several lists online of Latin words commonly found in old documents a google search usually finds them - The one I refer to is useful to bookmark http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/LatinNotes.html#marriages Cheers Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin

Hi Alf, Charles and Gus, Many thanks for your input regarding St. Philips Church, I have now discovered Edward Hudson was buried at St. Philips and will send for a copy of the entry shortly from Birmingham archives. Ray Hudson Perth, Western Austalia.