Ok...so that input was very useful and does help. I spent all yesterday on the will of Margaret's husband, Thomas Gybbes. I find a peculiar phrase in it that you might want to have a go at figuring out what it means. It goes like this: "and Margaret, now now wife, by our indenture bearing the date 5th day of December in the fortieth (40th) year of our late soverign Saint Elizabeth....(*1598)" and he's stating the terms under which he came to possess Margaret's share of Hodnell and he's saying that Elizabeth granted it unto "Tristrim Gibbs, Edward Gibbs two brothers, unto me, the said Thomas, all the third part of the manor of Hodness...etc." He goes on to state the "said Margaret from Robert Wilkes, gent., her late brother, deceased...." (Note: he has another brother, Sir Ralph Gibbs who isn't mentioned). Her brother died young, unmarried and without issue so the estate was divided in 1/3 shares to his three sisters. There is no further division of this estate in Thomas Gybbes' will, only a division of the income thereof and he indicates the land is under a set time of ownership as he states that his son Edward is to have the income for "the rest of the term". He has set out a three year plan of distribution to his two sons, one named daughter and his wife. He states his 'goods and chattels are to be sold to pay his debts'. Wife executrix. ...and he dies in his daughter Frances' house in Northamptonshire. I think the only question remaining in my mind is what he means by his "indenture" as stated above. If that is his marriage date to Margaret Wilkes Dimcock, then she cannot be the mother of Ane Gybbes, daughter of Thomas. Ane was born 1572 in Hodnell. Margaret is called her mother even in the great work called "Memoir of the Gibbs Family of Warwickshire" (1879) which is considered a "bible" on this surname. *Elizabeth came to the throne in 1558

Browsing the archives of the warwickshire list last summer, I noticed that someone posted a list of characters from George Eliots Scenes of Clerical Life and their real life counterparts. Following the thread I still cannot find this list.Is it possible for someone that has a copy to e mail me such, as I have just started reading the novel and it would be most interesting. Thank you.

Thank you all for your advice regarding accident at Ansley Hall Colliery in 1932. I have tried the websites submitted but to no avail. As someone suggested it seems only multiple fatalities are reported. I shall endeavour to find out the information I need by checking the local paper for this date, when I can. Thanks again for your help.

Now it's in italics! It wasn't when it left me. Blasted AOL. The first version of this wasn't spaced properly when it arrived in my inbox (it didn't look that way when I sent it) - I hope this one will be less confusing: <Gybbes (d. 1631) and they lived in Watergall (Hodnell) on her inherited portion of her father's estate. Margaret and her two sisters were heirs of their father (their brother having died young) and I found her husband's (Thomas Gybbes) will and can't find one for her. Surely she had to leave one as she held title to extensive land. There is no listing in the A2A Wills for her; does anyone have a suggestion on where I might find a will on her? I tried all the variant spellings for her maiden name and her married name with no results.>>

The first version of this wasn't spaced properly when it arrived in my inbox (it didn't look that way when I sent it) - I hope this one will be less confusing: <<I am seeking records on a Margaret Wylkes (d. 1639) who married Thomas Gybbes (d. 1631) and they lived in Watergall (Hodnell) on her inherited portion of her father's estate. Margaret and her two sisters were heirs of their father (their brother having died young) and I found her husband's (Thomas Gybbes) will and can't find one for her. Surely she had to leave one as she held title to extensive land. There is no listing in the A2A Wills for her; does anyone have a suggestion on where I might find a will on her? I tried all the variant spellings for her maiden name and her married name with no results.>> Not everyone left wills - some died before they could make them (at this time most people left making a will until the last posible moment, and some left it too long), others just didn't feel the need (for many and varied reasons: often the inheritance of their landed property was pre-determined by existing settlements, entails, jointures etc, and they had no power to leave it by will - sometimes they were happy for their property to be divided according to the rules of the general law of intestate inheritance, sometimes they had already distributed most of their assets before their death). Among women will-making was anyway much less common than among men. For a start a married woman could not make a will, but even maids and widows made wills far less frequently than men. The reason was that they generally had fewer assets, especially landed property, and even when they did own land it was often just a life-interest which ceased to exist on their death, the land going to someone else acording to pre-determined arrangements which they could not alter in a will. There is a very good book describing women's property rights and testamentary habits written by Amy Louise Erickson called 'Women and Property in Early Modern England' (Routledge, 1993). It can be found on-line in Google Books. <<Her husband does not address any grandchildren in his will, even though he had six by a deceased daughter and probably more from the other two married daughters. He only mentions his living children (3). Any ideas on why he would not mention his grandchildren (none of them)? He left large settlements on his three children amounting to thousands of pounds.>> Not all testators tried to mention every relation they had in their will, with a little nominal bequest to each one. Plenty of wills were short functional documents which just said what was necessary to divide the testator's assets among the principal heirs. The grandchildren would have benefitted from the shares directed to their parents. Matt Tompkins

I am seeking records on a Margaret Wylkes (d. 1639) who married Thomas Gybbes (d. 1631) and they lived in Watergall (Hodnell) on her inherited portion of her father's estate. Margaret and her two sisters were heirs of their father (their brother having died young) and I found her husband's (Thomas Gybbes) will and can't find one for her. Surely she had to leave one as she held title to extensive land. There is no listing in the A2A Wills for her; does anyone have a suggestion on where I might find a will on her? I tried all the variant spellings for her maiden name and her married name with no results. Not everyone left wills - some died before they could make them (at this time most people left making a will until the last posible moment, and some left it too long), others just didn't feel the need (for many and varied reasons: often the inheritance of their landed property was pre-determined by existing settlements, entails, jointures etc, and they had no power to leave it by will - sometimes they were happy for their property to be divided according to the rules of the general law of intestate inheritance, sometimes they had already distributed most of their assets before their death). Among women will-making was anyway much less common than among men. For a start a married woman could not make a will, but even maids and widows made wills far less frequently than men. The reason was that they generally had fewer assets, especially landed property, and even when they did own land it was often just a life-interest which ceased to exist on their death, the land going to someone else acording to pre-determined arrangements which they could not alter in a will. There is a very good book describing women's property rights and testamentary habits written by Amy Louise Erickson called 'Women and Property in Early Modern England' (Routledge, 1993). It can be found on-line in Google Books. <<Her husband does not address any grandchildren in his will, even though he had six by a deceased daughter and probably more from the other two married daughters. He only mentions his living children (3). Any ideas on why he would not mention his grandchildren (none of them)? He left large settlements on his three children amounting to thousands of pounds.>> Not all testators tried to mention every relation they had in their will, with a little nominal bequest to each one. Plenty of wills were short functional documents which just said what was necessary to divide the testator's assets among the principal heirs. The grandchildren would have benefitted from the shares directed to their parents. Matt Tompkins

Have you tried Lichfield Record Office? MAR in France. > Message du 15/06/07 22:26 > De : "Joy Robbins" > A : WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] Margaret Wylkes/Wilkes, died 1639 > > I am seeking records on a Margaret Wylkes (d. 1639) who married Thomas Gybbes (d. 1631) and they lived in Watergall (Hodnell) on her inherited portion of her father's estate. Margaret and her two sisters were heirs of their father (their brother having died young) and I found her husband's (Thomas Gybbes) will and can't find one for her. Surely she had to leave one as she held title to extensive land. There is no listing in the A2A Wills for her; does anyone have a suggestion on where I might find a will on her? I tried all the variant spellings for her maiden name and her married name with no results. > > Her husband does not address any grandchildren in his will, even though he had six by a deceased daughter and probably more from the other two married daughters. He only mentions his living children (3). Any ideas on why he would not mention his grandchildren (none of them)? He left large settlements on his three children amounting to thousands of pounds. > > Thanks for your ideas. I'm "stuck" on this one ! > > Joyce in Georgia, USA > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

Hi Peter I can remember going there as a child in the 50's and it was a cider house, I can also remember but not clearly going there in the 70's and it was still a cider house but the cider seemed stronger. Mike drinking strongbow cider at this moment in a very wet Droitwich, WOR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter" <orcass@bigpond.net.au> To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com>; <eng-warks-birmingham@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:12 AM Subject: [WAR] David Clarke > Hi to all from a very wet and wild Sydney Australia. > > > > I have just received a certificate that shows my gggf David CLARKE in 1848 > was a publican in Warings Green, Tanworth. From my research I can only > find > one public house in Warings Green at the time and that is the Bluebell. > > > > Can sks please advise if that is correct or if there were any other > establishments in that time and place. Also does anyone know if a list of > publicans exist? > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter in Oz. > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 14/06/2007 > 12:44 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to all from a very wet and wild Sydney Australia. I have just received a certificate that shows my gggf David CLARKE in 1848 was a publican in Warings Green, Tanworth. From my research I can only find one public house in Warings Green at the time and that is the Bluebell. Can sks please advise if that is correct or if there were any other establishments in that time and place. Also does anyone know if a list of publicans exist? Cheers Peter in Oz. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 14/06/2007 12:44 PM

Hi I can do that for you - will send images off list Regards Karen Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dot Shaw" <mdr.shaw@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: [WAR] Vear/vere > Hi > Am looking for anyone who might be able to look up a Thomas Vear on the > census for 1841/51 possibly 1861. He was born around 1791. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 14/06/2007 > 12:44 > >

Hi Am looking for anyone who might be able to look up a Thomas Vear on the census for 1841/51 possibly 1861. He was born around 1791. Thanks

I am seeking records on a Margaret Wylkes (d. 1639) who married Thomas Gybbes (d. 1631) and they lived in Watergall (Hodnell) on her inherited portion of her father's estate. Margaret and her two sisters were heirs of their father (their brother having died young) and I found her husband's (Thomas Gybbes) will and can't find one for her. Surely she had to leave one as she held title to extensive land. There is no listing in the A2A Wills for her; does anyone have a suggestion on where I might find a will on her? I tried all the variant spellings for her maiden name and her married name with no results. Her husband does not address any grandchildren in his will, even though he had six by a deceased daughter and probably more from the other two married daughters. He only mentions his living children (3). Any ideas on why he would not mention his grandchildren (none of them)? He left large settlements on his three children amounting to thousands of pounds. Thanks for your ideas. I'm "stuck" on this one ! Joyce in Georgia, USA

Hi Listers, Just a short message of thanks to Wendy, Karen & Phyllis for their help with census's! I should have mentioned in my first email to the List that I have read the 1851, 1861, & 1871 being the last one to Find my William in Mickelton. That's why I joined this list when I found the two possibilities in 1881 in Warwickshire. Great List & thanks all for your help. Val valhirst@xtra.co.nz

Thanks Jacqui, I have run into this spelling or place confusion several times with the Bott family, infact John Bott and his wife Elizabeth who ended up in Briernton, Heretfordshire is listed as born in Tamworth and not Tanworth, which threw me for a while. He is also listed as living in Henley in Arden yet he spent his formative years in Tanworth. Cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <warwick-request@rootsweb.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:06 AM Subject: WARWICK Digest, Vol 2, Issue 195 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [Detected Spam ->] Nelliey Baker Bott (Jacqui Simkins) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:51:50 +0100 > From: "Jacqui Simkins" <wesimkinsandson@btconnect.com> > Subject: Re: [WAR] [Detected Spam ->] Nelliey Baker Bott > To: <WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a701c7ae63$5ce7a9f0$0101a8c0@MAIN> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Could I just mention here that there are two places within Warwickshire > with similar sounding names: Tamworth and Tanworth. > > Tamworth is on the Warwickshire/Staffordshire border: it has had parts > within each county over time and is currently Staffordshire. It is > relatively near to Polesworth, which is in the north east of Warwickshire. > > Tanworth, on the other hand, is in the southern half of the county, on the > western side. It is closer to Stratford on Avon, and nearer also to > Solihull. > > Tanworth and Tamworth are frequently confused - and regularly you come > across entries on census where place of birth is mis-recorded (let alone > mistranscribed!). > > There are also two Atherstones...one is "on-Stour". Again, find secondary > evidence to support which one. > > Best of luck. > > Jacqui > > > I have a William Bott in my line, from around Polesworth (we presume). I > don't know if Tanworth is close. What year was this? Mine was born about > 1759. > > Let me know. > > Sheri > > ------------------------------- > > > Is anyone researching anyone in this family, if so lets talk... > > Cheers > > Ken > > > > Enumeration District 1 > > Civil Parish of Tanworth, Eccl. Parish of St Mary Magdaline > > Folio 7 Page 7 > > > > Witch Pits, > > ...Charles Morrall,Head,M,59,,Farmer,Employer,Tanworth Warwickshire,, > > ,,,Frances Morrall,Wife,M,,55,,,St Maries Norfolk,, > > ,,,Charles Morrall,Son,S,15,,Brass Finisher,Employed,Tanworth > > Warwickshire,, > > ,,,Nelley Baker Bott, Boardr,S,,3m,,,Birmingham Warwickshire,, > > ,,,Elizabeth Ann Keatley,Servnt,,,12,General Servant Dom,,Sheldon > > Warwickshire,, > > ,,,George Boyce,Servnt,S,15,,Farm Servant,Employed,Tanworth > Warwickshire,, > > > > Also in same area > > > > Folio 11 Page 16 > > > > 127,Doctors Hill, > > William Bott,Head,W,74,,Retired Farmer,,Solihull Warwickshire,, > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the WARWICK list administrator, send an email to > WARWICK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the WARWICK mailing list, send an email to > WARWICK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of WARWICK Digest, Vol 2, Issue 195 > ***************************************

Could I just mention here that there are two places within Warwickshire with similar sounding names: Tamworth and Tanworth. Tamworth is on the Warwickshire/Staffordshire border: it has had parts within each county over time and is currently Staffordshire. It is relatively near to Polesworth, which is in the north east of Warwickshire. Tanworth, on the other hand, is in the southern half of the county, on the western side. It is closer to Stratford on Avon, and nearer also to Solihull. Tanworth and Tamworth are frequently confused - and regularly you come across entries on census where place of birth is mis-recorded (let alone mistranscribed!). There are also two Atherstones...one is "on-Stour". Again, find secondary evidence to support which one. Best of luck. Jacqui I have a William Bott in my line, from around Polesworth (we presume). I don't know if Tanworth is close. What year was this? Mine was born about 1759. Let me know. Sheri ------------------------------- > Is anyone researching anyone in this family, if so lets talk... > Cheers > Ken > > Enumeration District 1 > Civil Parish of Tanworth, Eccl. Parish of St Mary Magdaline > Folio 7 Page 7 > > Witch Pits, > ...Charles Morrall,Head,M,59,,Farmer,Employer,Tanworth Warwickshire,, > ,,,Frances Morrall,Wife,M,,55,,,St Maries Norfolk,, > ,,,Charles Morrall,Son,S,15,,Brass Finisher,Employed,Tanworth > Warwickshire,, > ,,,Nelley Baker Bott, Boardr,S,,3m,,,Birmingham Warwickshire,, > ,,,Elizabeth Ann Keatley,Servnt,,,12,General Servant Dom,,Sheldon > Warwickshire,, > ,,,George Boyce,Servnt,S,15,,Farm Servant,Employed,Tanworth Warwickshire,, > > Also in same area > > Folio 11 Page 16 > > 127,Doctors Hill, > William Bott,Head,W,74,,Retired Farmer,,Solihull Warwickshire,, > > >

Dear Listers, Would SKS look up the marriage of Richard Nicholls to Mary Badger at Bidford-on-Avon on 27Oct1755 and advise the parishes Richard and Mary came from, and the names of the witnesses? Thank you, Best regards..........Ian in Sydney.

Yes, even in recent years OS maps did not show munitions factories! Gwyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldo ldo" <ct65as@yahoo.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Local History - 1916 Munitions Factories > Hi Beryl, I'm pretty sure that munitions factories > would not be marked on any maps of the time! Lynne. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The munition factory in Coventry was located in Holbrooks Lane [SP335821], and workers were locally housed in an estate known as Munition Cottages. Girl workers, as elsewhere in the country, were known as canaries because of their yellow colour. The factory site was subsequently used by Dunlop. -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt & Avast protection

HI Anne, Gwyn, Lynne, MAR in France, Mavis in NZ Thanks for your help, I've found out where not just the area but the factory. For anyone else who is looking for Munitions Workers of WW1/2. One of the factorys in the Coventry/Folsehill area that switched to munitions was the Riley Car Factory, in WW2 this was located near Beresford Ave off the Foleshill Rd. Regards Beryl

Michael McAllister wrote: > Hi Irene, have you tried the mining disasters website at: > http:/www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/deaths.htm > Unsure if it still works though, sorry. Yes, it does still work. At least it did for me :)) -- Charani (UK)