In the 1841 Census Report on Warwickshire, Walsgave on Sowe - then known simply as "Sowe" - was described as straddling a now-long-abolished boundary. Some 1,190 acres were in "County of Warwick; Knightlow Hundred; Kirby Division"; and a further 1,110 acres were in "County of the City of Coventry". The "County of the City of Coventry" was abolished in 1842 (when the charter of Henry VI was revoked) - but I am attempting to produce a map of Warwickshire as of the census Date in 1841, and cannot identify where the boundary ran across the Parish. Ordnance Survey Maps - the earliest accurate series at any rate - only date from the 1880s, and obviously do not include 40-years-dead boundaries. A Tithe Plan - if one was prepared at all for Walsgrave/Sowe - does not exist. Kain & Oliver's "Historic Parishes" CDs do not show it (they apparently use the 1880s OS map). Is there anyone out there who might be able to point me towards some other source that might hold the answer? Gus

Hello List: I am seeking information on the Faulkner family in 16-17th c. Warwickshire. In particular, I am interested in the following: ALIS FAKENER born: 14 MAY 1545 Alveston, Warwick, England Marriage: THOMAS GIBBES 19 NOV 1571 Alveston, Warwick, England IGI Batch Number: C039672 I would like to find out who her parents were if possible. I have found about six variant spellings to include: Faulkner; FAWKENER, FAKENER, FALCKNER, FAUCONER A Thomas Gybbes/Gibbs had a daughter born in 1572 Honington (PR) named Ane and I'm trying to find a mother who fits into the picture. Thomas married second, Margaret Wilkes Dimcock in c. 1598. Any help or suggestions is appreciated. Joy Georgia, USA

I am researching a great uncle and great aunt from a rather distant part of my family tree. I have a marriage certificate and a photograph, dated 17 July 1917 for Victor John Taylor RIPLEY (born Newcastle on Tyne, 1883), Engineer’s Fitter, and Olive May WILKINSON (born Coventry 1894), ‘Teacher of the Pianoforte’, at the Church of the Good Shepherd and SS Elizabeth and Helen, Highfield St., Coventry. I am well-acquainted with the RIPLEY family and have also traced the WILKINSON brood back through Rugby, Daventry and into Lincolnshire in the mid 1800’s. Do either of these names ring any bells with the Warwickshire Listers? Best wishes Rod. In sunny (24C) Notting Hill, West London.

Hello Carole Glad I was some help. If you ever want to know what areas are covered by a particular registration district on the BMD index go to this section of the GENUKI website. I use it quite a lot. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/ Regards Carole PHIL SMITH <phil@pontypool648.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:51:10 +0100 Hi Carole, Many thanks. This helps a lot. I may be able to go forward now. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Carole Moon To: PHIL SMITH ; WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] RIDING Hello Phil Could this be your Riding family on the BMD index? George Riding 1840 Oct-Dec Aston Ref 16 170 Eliza Riding 1843 Apr-Jun Aston Ref 16 179 Aston is a parish of Birmingham. Regards Carole PHIL SMITH <phil@pontypool648.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:00:15 +0100 Hi all, On the 1881 census I have found George Riding B 1841 in Birmingham (War). I have not found him on the BMD and no idea about his Parents. Can anyone help please Phil; --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you.

Hello Phil Could this be your Riding family on the BMD index? George Riding 1840 Oct-Dec Aston Ref 16 170 Eliza Riding 1843 Apr-Jun Aston Ref 16 179 Aston is a parish of Birmingham. Regards Carole PHIL SMITH <phil@pontypool648.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:00:15 +0100 Hi all, On the 1881 census I have found George Riding B 1841 in Birmingham (War). I have not found him on the BMD and no idea about his Parents. Can anyone help please Phil; ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes.

According to the 1851 & 1861 censuses, his parents were William Riding, born Harrogate, Yorks, and Eliza b. Erdington, Warks. In 1851 they are in Harrogate and in 1861 in Salford, Lancs. Looks like they left Warks around 1844/5. They had one more child - Eliza, b. in Birmingham, all the rest show birthplace as Yorkshire. Hope this will help you to track them further. MAR in France. MAR in France.

Hi all, On the 1881 census I have found George Riding B 1841 in Birmingham (War). I have not found him on the BMD and no idea about his Parents. Can anyone help please Phil;

Dear Listers, Would SKS look up the marriage of Richard Nicholls to Mary Badger at Bidford-on-Avon on 27Oct1755 and advise the parishes Richard and Mary came from, and the names of the witnesses? Thank you, Best regards..........Ian in Sydney.

LDJ Solicitors still exist see http://www.ldjsolicitors.co.uk/index.asp there is apage about the history of the firm hope it helps Peter R Thompson Bedworth Warwickshire UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHLEEN OFARRELL" <kathleenofarrell@btinternet.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: [WAR] Jeffcoate family > I'm trying to find any members of my Jeffcoate family . My gtgtgrandfather > was James Jeffcoate who married Elizabeth Greatrex in 1823. They had a > number of children one of whom was Samuel ,my gtgrandfather. His eldest > son was Arthur who married Mary Ann(Polly) Oakey in 1888.Their children > were Ethel,Frank,Gladys ,Harold ,Grace,Norman(Sir Thomas Norman Arthur)Rex > and Bob. > I have recently learned a little about Norman and Frank. Frank was a > solicitor in the firm of Lester,Dixon and Jeffcoate and was also in > partnership with his son Tony(in Newdegate st). I don't know how long the > firm was in existence.Norman was a gynaecologist in Liverpool and had 2 > son's that I know of ,Stephen and Robert Lindsay. > If anyone can shed a light on any of these families I 'd love to hear > from you . > Many thanks Kathy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm trying to find any members of my Jeffcoate family . My gtgtgrandfather was James Jeffcoate who married Elizabeth Greatrex in 1823. They had a number of children one of whom was Samuel ,my gtgrandfather. His eldest son was Arthur who married Mary Ann(Polly) Oakey in 1888.Their children were Ethel,Frank,Gladys ,Harold ,Grace,Norman(Sir Thomas Norman Arthur)Rex and Bob. I have recently learned a little about Norman and Frank. Frank was a solicitor in the firm of Lester,Dixon and Jeffcoate and was also in partnership with his son Tony(in Newdegate st). I don't know how long the firm was in existence.Norman was a gynaecologist in Liverpool and had 2 son's that I know of ,Stephen and Robert Lindsay. If anyone can shed a light on any of these families I 'd love to hear from you . Many thanks Kathy

I'm trying to find any members of my Jeffcoate family . My gtgtgrandfather was James Jeffcoate who married Elizabeth Greatrex in 1823. They had a number of children one of whom was Samuel ,my gtgrandfather. His eldest son was Arthur who married Mary Ann(Polly) Oakey in 1888.Their children were Ethel,Frank,Gladys ,Harold ,Grace,Norman(Sir Thomas Norman Arthur)Rex and Bob. I have recently learned a little about Norman and Frank. Frank was a solicitor in the firm of Lester,Dixon and Jeffcoate and was also in partnership with his son Tony(in Newdegate st). I don't know how long the firm was in existence.Norman was a gynaecologist in Liverpool and had 2 son's that I know of ,Stephen and Robert Lindsay. If anyone can shed a light on any of these families I 'd love to hear from you . Many thanks Kathy

Your friend can search online at 192.com. They are there but for the details you have to register. MAR in France. > Message du 18/06/07 10:06 > De : "Michael McAllister" > A : "B'ham list" , "Warwick List" > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] electoral rolls > > Hi List, I wonder if sks could check out some details for me on the 2003 electoral rolls cd in London please? > I have tried a plea on the Kent List to no avail! > > The person concerned is a Jasmine MANNAN. other occupants include Abdul MANNAN and Mohammed UDDIN. I would like the address and other details please. There are other mentions of a Jasmine as an other occupant, if possible I would also like these please. > The details are for a friend who is trying to find a cousin. > > Many thanks in advance, Michael McAllister > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

Michael McAllister wrote: > Hi List, I wonder if sks could check out some details for me on the > 2003 electoral rolls cd in London please? I have tried a plea on > the Kent List to no avail! Try asking on the London list. You might get more joy there since it'll be on topic there which isn't on Warwicks, and wasn't on Kent :)) I would add that asking for a friend who's seeking a cousin could ring alarm bells with many people. You'll find electoral rolls on findmypast, b4u and 192.com -- Charani (UK)

Hi List, I wonder if sks could check out some details for me on the 2003 electoral rolls cd in London please? I have tried a plea on the Kent List to no avail! The person concerned is a Jasmine MANNAN. other occupants include Abdul MANNAN and Mohammed UDDIN. I would like the address and other details please. There are other mentions of a Jasmine as an other occupant, if possible I would also like these please. The details are for a friend who is trying to find a cousin. Many thanks in advance, Michael McAllister

That's fascinating about the torn bit. I never knew that and it makes so much sense. It also tells us why most of these documents do not survive....why would a second or third generation want half a document! Wonderful bit of information you've provided. I think he must have married her about the same date as that "indenture". I have found a marriage between a Thomas Gybbes/Gibbs and an Alice Faulkner in the IGI: ALIS FAKENER C039672 THOMAS GIBBES Marriage: 19 NOV 1571 Alveston, Warwick, England Alveston is south of Warwick and near Stratford-on-Avon. Not so far away from the Watergall and Bishop's Itchington area where Ane Gybbes ends up. Ane's marriage is recorded in the registers of Bishop's Itchington in 1590. The records are missing that would cover her death, but it would have been sometime shortly after 1603, the birth of her last child. Ane Gybbes was born 18 April 1572 (only 5 months after her parent's marriage !!) so that fits better. If it holds up to further scrutiney. I have good luck finding documents on the A2a and British History Online sites. Besides which, I go to Salt Lake every year and this year I'm going to England in September. I guess you could say I'm focused....well, I prefer to say that ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "A P L" <annepaling@hotmail.com> To: <joy1982@alltel.net> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 5:14 AM Subject: RE: [WAR] Margaret Wylkes Dimcock Gybbes (d. 1639) > > My understanding of the legal term "indenture" is purely "an agreement". > These documents were originally written in duplicate and torn in two > creating a dented or toothed edge which would fit together at a later date > to prove that two halves came from the same "indenture". > > As an agreement it would not necessarily be between husband and wife as a > marriage agreement altho it is likely. It could have been agreed some > time before the marriage as part of what would now be called a "prenup" or > be written at a later date after the marriage as a result of inheritances. > In the 16th C I suppose a document like this could be drawn up at the time > of betrothal. > > The term "mother" could include the more modern term "step-mother" > > Just some thoughts .... > > Fascinating - you are lucky to find these documents about your family. > > > Anne Paling > SHEFFIELD, U.K.

Following the earlier postings about the genetic origins of British people I have found the book I mentioned: Stephen Oppenheimer : The Origins of the British. Pubd by Constable in 2006. A fascinating book, which runs to over 400 pages. Basically, it tracks the genetic spread arising from the "refuges" occupied by humans during the last Ice Age (about 15,000 years ago). The vast majority of the "indigenous" population of W Europe - and I recognise the political dangers of such expressions - arise from three "refuge" populations, the male lines having been given names to make them more memorable: Ruisko - from the Iberian (Spanish/French) refuge. This is by far the dominant influence in Britain. Rostov - from the Ukranian refuge. This genetic marker is dominant in the Ukraine and Poland, and significant in modern Norway. It can be viewed as a "Viking marker" when seen in Britain. Ivan - from the Balkan refuge. Influential in modern Denmark and Holland. On p.369 of Oppenheimer's book there is a fascinating chart which shows the influence of these three genetic influences on samples taken in various parts of Britain. So, Rostov (the "Viking" marker) is strongest in Shetland, Orkney, with a lesser influence in Eastern Scotland and the Isle of Man. Ivan is found most commonly in Norfolk, and York. Samples taken in Haverfordwest, Castlerea, and among speakers of Irish Gaelic showed very strong Ruisko (Iberian) influence, with slightly less inflouence in samples from places like Oban, North Wales etc. On a very localised scale Llangefni (Anglesey) shows 96% Ruisko influence! Unfortunately there does not seem to have been any sampling in Warwickshire! Uttoxeter (Staffs) lies on a Ruisko/Ivan axis with weak Rostov influence. Intriguingly Uttoxeter is closer (genetically) to Belgium (or to a sample of Belgian males to be correct!) than it is to a Cornish sample, or even to a sample taken in York !! Sorry this is off-topic, but of interest I hope. Gwyn

Hi all Does anyone have this fellow in their family. I have 2 pages from a "Gaol Report" on this fellow. Convicted 3rd August 1850 Warwick Assises for Burglary. Widow aged 33, 10 years First Conviction. If he belongs to anybody I will send the images. Kitty Tasmania

Jeff In British Vital Records Index Found this Baptism - BOSWORTH, Mary Christening Gender: Female Christening Date: 25 Aug 1709 Recorded in: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Collection: Holy Trinity Father: Richard BOSWORTH Mother: Mary Source: FHL Film 1657254 Dates: 1653 - 1745 But there is a Marriage in 1728 that could be hers - With Hillmorton being on the Border with Northants, she could have been born there , have checked BVRI nothing listed in there. All the Best Helen -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Butler Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2007 3:38 p.m. To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Bosworth living in Hillmorton Hello Looking for a Mary Bosworth born around 1707-1714 Maybe to a John and Ann Bosworth that had 6 children at that time .Mary went on to marry John Butler 1734 Hillmorton Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Looking for a Mary Bosworth born around 1707-1714 Maybe to a John and Ann Bosworth that had 6 children at that time .Mary went on to marry John Butler 1734 Hillmorton Jeff

I like the Sykes books - Saxons, Vikings & Celts is his most recent one and it talks about this, but it's a bit more complicated - and partly depends on the part of Britain. The Northern part of the British Isles was probably not inhabited during the last Ice Age around 10,000 years ago. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Saxons-Vikings-Celts-Genetic-Britain/dp/0393062686/ for UK readers, or from various Amazon stores of your choice (US, etc) His work in previous books Seven Daughters of Eve (mitochodrial DNA --mother's mother's mother's mother's etc back 17,000 to 40,000 years) and Adam's Curse (yDNA in men - father's, father's, father's, father's in similar time frames) is explored in a specifically British Isles context in this one. At 05:32 AM 6/10/2007, vic.taylor.genealogy@googlemail.com wrote: >I seem to recall a fairly recent news item that researchers have >discovered, using DNA analysis, that the original occupants of what we >now call the British Isles came from the present day Basque region. The >Celts came much later I guess. > >Vic Taylor > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Lynn Calvin Aurora, IL lcalvin@interaccess.com