Carol and Frank wrote: > I was just fooling around on the free BMD site and see that > my Frances Isabella Rawlins of Meriden married twice in the same year-in > fact very close together. > I cannot figure out who the first man was that she married. > She married William Henry Sutton on Oct 14, 1861. > > I wonder if that info is correct? The marriage in the Sept qtr gives Frances' marriage as being in Meriden but it's in italics which indicates that there is a problem with the entry. By clicking on the registration district you get the following message: <quote> However... The page number is not within the range expected for the district. Note that there a number of possible reasons for this, including an error in the district, the page, the volume, the date or the type of entry. Further information may also be available here. </quote> A further indication that there is something wrong is when you click on the page number and the other two couples are shown to have been married in Aston registration district. There are also normally only two couples on a page in the register. So I would venture to suggest that Frances didn't, in fact, marry twice, but was misentered. -- Charani (UK)

Paul, You are quite right that the greater part of Tardebigge Parish - both Civilly and Ecclesiastically - was in Worcestershire. According to the 1851 Census Report, the then-estimated areas comprised 5,544 acres in WOR and 3,450 as being formerly in Warwickshire. My error here was conflating Ecclesiastical and Civil Parishes, for the Parish Church was in the formerly Warwickshire portion. However, I have several doubts about the entry in the 1868 National Gazetteer... By whom was it published? [It sounds as if it may have been a reprint of an earlier work.] My doubts are caused by the inclusion of Tardebigge as anything other than an Ecclesiastical Parish at that date, for it had been abolished for Civil Purposes in 1866 on its division into the four Civil Parishes of Bentley Pauncefoot, Redditch, and Webheath (all originally WOR) and Tutnall and Cobley (the former WAR part) under the provisions of 29 & 30 Vict. c. 113. According to the 1851 Census Report on [the Registration County of] Worcestershire [page 79; Note a (part)] "... Part of [Tardebigg (sic)] Parish, viz., the Hamlet of Tutnall and Cobley, formed part of the County of Warwick until October 1844, when it became for all purposes part of Worcestershire, under the Act of 7 & 8 Vict. c. 61." However, I agree that Tutnall and Cobley was originally in the Alcester Division of Barlichway Hundred (from the 1841 Census Report on Warwickshire; p324), although after 1844 it was included in Halfshire Hundred, and (most probably) in the Upper Division, along with the rest of the original Parish. Equally I agree that the present-day hamlet of Tardebigge lies on the Worcester & Birmingham Canal [I spent the weekend of June 23-4 at Tardebigge New Wharf at a Boat Rally, and will be back there on Wednesday to help take a boat down the flight of locks]. But my knowledge of former Railway Companies is insufficient to be able to confirm that the Birmingham and Bristol Railway ever ran significantly through the Parish. The two stations named of Bromsgrove and Blackwell - the two ends of the Lickey Incline - certainly lie on the former Birmingham and Gloucester Railway, but no more than ½ a mile of that was within Tutnall and Cobley.... (But maybe the Birmingham and Bristol line branched off through Alvechurch and Redditch.) Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk> To: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk>; "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz>; <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: tardebigge Gus: > Redditch itself was a WOR chapelry/township of the Parish of Tardebigge - > which was a detached part of WAR until 1844 - although Redditch did not > become a separate Parish Ecclesiastically until 1855 or Civilly until > 1866. I am hesitant about correcting such an expert on boundary changes, but only a small part of Tardebigge parish was in Warwickshire, and it was predominantly in Worcestershire. The 1841 census - the only one to be arranged strictly by county - has 90 pages of Tardebigge in Worcestershire, but only 11 in Warwickshire (covering Tutnall and Cobley). Redditch town was always in Worcestershire (although over time it expanded and absorbed surrounding areas formerly in Warwickshire). I'm less sure about when the boundary was tidied up, but suspect it may not have been in the great national boundary changes of 1844, as the following, taken from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868), and found on GENUKI, indicates. "TARDEBIGG, a parish chiefly in the upper division of Halfshire hundred, county Worcester, but partly in the Alcester division of Barlichway hundred, county Warwick, 3 miles S.E. of Bromsgrove, its post town, and 2 S. of the Blackwell railway station. The village is situated on the Worcester and Birmingham canal, and on the Birmingham and Bristol railway. The parish includes the town of Redditch and the hamlets of Bentley, Pauncefoot, Webheath, and Tutnall. The soil is rich and productive, and the subsoil abounds in building-stone." Best wishes Paul Prescott

Hello. Does anyone on the list have access to the Feckenham Parish Registers please. Thanks. Mike

Gus: > Redditch itself was a WOR chapelry/township of the Parish of Tardebigge - > which was a detached part of WAR until 1844 - although Redditch did not > become a separate Parish Ecclesiastically until 1855 or Civilly until > 1866. I am hesitant about correcting such an expert on boundary changes, but only a small part of Tardebigge parish was in Warwickshire, and it was predominantly in Worcestershire. The 1841 census - the only one to be arranged strictly by county - has 90 pages of Tardebigge in Worcestershire, but only 11 in Warwickshire (covering Tutnall and Cobley). Redditch town was always in Worcestershire (although over time it expanded and absorbed surrounding areas formerly in Warwickshire). I'm less sure about when the boundary was tidied up, but suspect it may not have been in the great national boundary changes of 1844, as the following, taken from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868), and found on GENUKI, indicates. "TARDEBIGG, a parish chiefly in the upper division of Halfshire hundred, county Worcester, but partly in the Alcester division of Barlichway hundred, county Warwick, 3 miles S.E. of Bromsgrove, its post town, and 2 S. of the Blackwell railway station. The village is situated on the Worcester and Birmingham canal, and on the Birmingham and Bristol railway. The parish includes the town of Redditch and the hamlets of Bentley, Pauncefoot, Webheath, and Tutnall. The soil is rich and productive, and the subsoil abounds in building-stone." Best wishes Paul Prescott

Hello Mike, I can't help with individuals - but I may be able to help with some Geography... The f\mily are quite clearly Redditch-based - a complex area that spilled untidily across the WAR/WOR boundary, with parts within the Registration Districts of Bromsgrove, Kings Norton and Alcester, although with various Boundary Changes over the years all are *now* in WOR and Redditch Registration District... Redditch itself was a WOR chapelry/township of the Parish of Tardebigge - which was a detached part of WAR until 1844 - although Redditch did not become a separate Parish Ecclesiastically until 1855 or Civilly until 1866. By the late 1880s the 'built-up' area of the town comprised: Redditch Civil Parish (most of it) - and parts of the Civil Parishes of: Beoley (WOR) - Kings Norton Reg Dist] Feckenham (WOR) - Alcester Reg Dist] Ipsley (WAR) [which part was transferred to WOR in 1894 - although it remained in Alcester Reg Dist until 1931]. Feckenham was also anomalous - although it was 'always' in WOR [and its Parish Registers are held at Worcester History Centre], it was nevertheless in the Registration County of WAR, so its census details are held at Warwick Records Office... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: [WAR] YOXALL 1901 Hello Again. In 1879 Ellen CHATTERLEY married Thomas Henry YOXALL, the marriage was registered in Bromsgrove. In the 1891 census they are found in Ipsley with 6 children, who were all born in Crabbs Cross, with the name ZORALL. The scan looks clear enough to me as YOXALL!! Though I was looking at it looking for YOXALL!!!! Is anyone able to find them in 1901 for me please? I have run out of ideas!! Thanks Mike in a miserable Whakatane NZ!! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was just fooling around on the free BMD site and see that my Frances Isabella Rawlins of Meriden married twice in the same year-in fact very close together. I cannot figure out who the first man was that she married. She married William Henry Sutton on Oct 14, 1861. I wonder if that info is correct? Carol

Feckenham is in Worcestershire and I don't think it was ever in Warks - but no doubt our resident boundary expert will correct me if I am wrong. MAR in France. > Message du 02/07/07 01:27 > De : "Mike" > A : WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] Feckenham PRs > > Hello. > > Does anyone on the list have access to the Feckenham Parish Registers please. > > Thanks. > > Mike > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

Hello John Thank you. Looking at the page I can see what you mean but knowing what the children's names were I can pick up that it is the right family. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Mike Hello Mike, I think this is the family in 1901... RG13; Piece: 2941; Folio: 75; Page: 8 Transcribed on Ancestry as ??TAEL. Really awful page! Regards, John

Hello Again. In 1879 Ellen CHATTERLEY married Thomas Henry YOXALL, the marriage was registered in Bromsgrove. In the 1891 census they are found in Ipsley with 6 children, who were all born in Crabbs Cross, with the name ZORALL. The scan looks clear enough to me as YOXALL!! Though I was looking at it looking for YOXALL!!!! Is anyone able to find them in 1901 for me please? I have run out of ideas!! Thanks Mike in a miserable Whakatane NZ!!

Hello Mike, I think this is the family in 1901... RG13; Piece: 2941; Folio: 75; Page: 8 Transcribed on Ancestry as ??TAEL. Really awful page! Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: [WAR] YOXALL 1901 > Hello Again. > > In 1879 Ellen CHATTERLEY married Thomas Henry YOXALL, the marriage was > registered in Bromsgrove. > > In the 1891 census they are found in Ipsley with 6 children, who were all > born in Crabbs Cross, with the name ZORALL. The scan looks clear enough > to me as YOXALL!! Though I was looking at it looking for YOXALL!!!! > > Is anyone able to find them in 1901 for me please? I have run out of > ideas!! > > Thanks > > Mike in a miserable Whakatane NZ!!

From a car boot sale,I picked up(for 10p) a copy of "The Northamptonshire Year Book".ISBN 1-85306-055-0.compiled by the Northamptonshire Federation of Womens Institutes.It is one of a series covering about 40 counties,with accounts written by members of the individual institutes....well worth a read,especially for those of this list who are overseas...should be able to get a copy from your local library! I have HARTs and WEBBs in my tree and found the following extract interesting.... ...."a Mrs WEBB died 1851 at Barby and left everything to her nephew,Mr HART.He let her cottage to a family whose daughter was terrified,several nights in a row,by an old woman,who came and stood by her bed,pointing to a trapdoor into the roof.On being told of this ,the nephew decided to investigate and discovered a bag of gold coins and papers relating to debts owed by his aunt.After the debts were settled,the apparition was seen no more." Are Mrs WEBB and her nephew Mr HART in your tree?.if so, maybe they link up with my John WEBB(1824) of Barby his wife Martha NORRIS(1826) and their daughter(my gt grandma) Sarah Ann Harriet WEBB.(1848) of Crick..she possibly worked in the treacle mines there. Pete Lyneham,Wilts Researching BOTTRILL of Hillmorton, Rugby and Vicarage Hill,Clifton on Dunsmore COCK of Hillmorton PLEDGER of Paradise Rd,Rugby HART of Hillmorton NORRIS of Crick

G"day All http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?redef=0 Another decade has been added to this commercial web site It now covers 1890 to 1929 The index is still free to search so may give you some clues to ancestors who went overseas.! good hunting Wendy Warwick List Admin Co-ordinator Warwickshire 1861 census and FreeREG Transcription Teams

Graham, Mary: > but I'm afraid that the witnesses were not related to either > of them: the register was "signed in the presence of" Thomas Blakemore and > John Smith. Judging from other entries in the register, John Smith seems > to > have been a regular witnesser of weddings, much to the future chagrin of > family historians! Clearly John Smith was a professional witness, but on the information given we can't conclude that Thomas Blakemore wasn't a relative. A high proportion of witnesses were related to the bride or groom, and it's the ones who have a different surname who give us the most information. Unfortunately, they're exactly the ones for which it's most difficult to prove a link. Case not proven. Best wishes Paul Prescott

Marion Walsall used to be in Staffs not Warwickshire, so your appeal might have been better directed to the Walsall or the Black Country list-serves. However, I can do marginally better than Janet because I actually went to the Walsall Local History Centre today (not specifically on your mission, you understand, it just so happened) and looked at the microfilm copies of the registers for St Matthews for you. I can confirm the date that Janet gave: 8th (not 13th) Feb. Ann Cotterill was illiterate and made and "x" in the register (her mark). Both partners were "of age", but I'm afraid that the witnesses were not related to either of them: the register was "signed in the presence of" Thomas Blakemore and John Smith. Judging from other entries in the register, John Smith seems to have been a regular witnesser of weddings, much to the future chagrin of family historians! Sorry that it is not the answer you hoped for but I did at least look it up for you. Oh, and yes, the clergyman was a Pratte. Best wishes Graham Twickenham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hale" <marybdorrington@hotmail.com> To: <midmarch@rootsweb.com>; <warwick-L@rootsweb.com>; <staffordshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: [WAR] Walsall Church Marriage record 1813 > Hi Everyone, > wondering if someone can help me please. > I am looking for the marriage record from an old Bible entry we have. > 1813 Feb 13th > Edward Martin married Ann Cotterill > by Vicar of Walsal Clergyman Pratte > wondering if anyone has access to these records and can give me the names > of > fathers and or witness' and address' please > apppreciate any help > > Thanking you in anticipation > > Marion in Adelaide South Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29217&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_1000s&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello everyone- Could I remind you all again that some subscribers are on dial up or on a limited download allowance. ( I was given an initial down and upload allowance of 200 Meg - useless so had to pay for extra) Large emails or an excess of emails may cause a problem for some members. There are people who prefer not to be on Digest Mode. Could you do your bit to help out and please ensure that you snip replies removing surplus information and signatures etc. but keep the thread intact. Thank you Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin.

Hi Everyone, wondering if someone can help me please. I am looking for the marriage record from an old Bible entry we have. 1813 Feb 13th Edward Martin married Ann Cotterill by Vicar of Walsal Clergyman Pratte wondering if anyone has access to these records and can give me the names of fathers and or witness' and address' please apppreciate any help Thanking you in anticipation Marion in Adelaide South Australia _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29217&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_1000s&_m=EXT

Marion, I have looked up the entry for Edward & Ann on the Family History Online Staffordshire marriages site and this is all that is shown: 8 February 1813 at Walsall in county of Staffordshire Edward MARTIN, bachelor married Ann COTTERELL, spinster. Sorry not to be of more help. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hale" <marybdorrington@hotmail.com> To: <midmarch@rootsweb.com>; <warwick-L@rootsweb.com>; <staffordshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: [STAFFORDSHIRE] Walsall Church Marriage record 1813 > Hi Everyone, > wondering if someone can help me please. > I am looking for the marriage record from an old Bible entry we have. > 1813 Feb 13th > Edward Martin married Ann Cotterill > by Vicar of Walsal Clergyman Pratte > wondering if anyone has access to these records and can give me the names > of > fathers and or witness' and address' please > apppreciate any help > > Thanking you in anticipation > > Marion in Adelaide South Australia > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D29217&_t=762256209&_r=june07_endtext_1000s&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.8/869 - Release Date: 25/06/2007 > 17:32 > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14063 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

For general interest, & not connected with the jewellery trade, puddling is the process of lining canals with clay so that the water won't drain out. It was probably a trade allied to navigators who dug canals. Also, the omportance of snipping messages. Please snip messages as very long emails block my mail box & I have to go online to the internet provider to unblock them. Penny Hampshire UK NB Not flooded here as yet. I do live uphill from the river though! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faith Capnerhurst" <fcapnerhurst@msn.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: [WAR] occupation: Pudler/puddler

Hi Kathy, Did you know that all of Warwickshire 1841 census has been transcribed through Freecens? Also some of 1861 has been uploaded unchecked due to demand, and will be checked later. All of 1891 census is also online. These can be accessed through Pickards Pink Pages----there is an URL but I am lazy and Google will find it using these words! On P.P.P. all the areas, (except a few still being transcribed for 1861), are available for 1841,1861 and 1891. There is also a search facility which may help you find your names. I hope this is helpful. Regards, Muriel (Blenheim, NZ).

Hi Faith I suspect a puddler did not have much to do with jewellery, certainly not in its finished state anyway Puddler :Iron worker operating a puddling or ball furnace where cast iron turned into wrought iron See http://www.geocities.com/jenks436/puddler.html Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Folks, > > I have been working on one of my difficult cases today, that being the > Carrington family. In looking through the records on FreeReg, I came > across > some records that list an occupation called "pudler" or "puddler". Does > anyone know what this is? The Carringtons in my line seem to be jewellers > (at least the two generations I am aware of are). I know that my gg > grandfather, George Carrington, was a pearl cutter and his father, George, > was a jeweller. Would a puddler have any connection to the jeweller's > trade? > > I appreciate any feedback on the topic. > > Regards, > > Faith Capnerhurst > Canada