Robert Holmes wrote: > I have just paid out £45 for a copy of the 1911 census and very > useful it is too. However,it is difficult to explain away certain > age discrepancies: In 1911 ,grandfather is 31 and grandmother is 29. > When they married in 1914-just before he volunteered for the > army- the stated ages are 30 and 24! While both could write, was > their arithmetic so awful or memory so bad. As she had already > declared her real? age in 1911 was their any point in concealment > at the marriage. Age wasn't as important as it is today. There's no question of there being a transcription error with the 1911 census so that can't explain the discrepancy! There may be a transcription error on the marriage cert though. The way to find out their actual age is to find their birth registrations. -- Charani (UK)

Hello all Thank you very much Peter for all this information. You have been extremely kind and to have given up part of you research week to find this was a wonderful thing to do - and both for Richardson and Thacker. I have the material you have sent off line and am studying it. Best wishes Mary My grateful thanks to all those who answered my query re Roman Catholic > marriages both on and off list. There were a mass of answers. You have given > me a great deal to think about. I do hope that others on the list who have > the same problems found the excellent material on line useful as well. It seems that my doubts that Brailles might have a RC community in the 1790s were misplaced. Warwick Records Office hold transcripts of RC records for Brailles as follows: Births/baptisms 1778-1844 Marriages 1785-1795, 1820-1865 Burials 1785-1789, 1820-1912 Confirmations 1779-1888. There are some RICHARDSON names there, but not your John RICHARDSON. I will send you some details off-list. One detail I found interesting was that the baptisms took place at the home of the parents of the child being baptised. Perhaps there was not a church as such at the time. The period I was looking at (c.1790) predates the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act by some forty years. > St Osgood's seems to be the church in question and I will follow that > through. If it was only finished in 1845 then my great grandparents must > have been among the earliest to have been married there!!! They were married > on 13 April 1846. It seems that there was a community called St Osberg's before the present church was built. Warwick Records Office hold microfilm of 1767-1807. It seems that our best bet for later years is St Chads in Birmingham - something for me to investigate perhaps next time I am in the Midlands Regards Peter

Hello Jeff, One clue here would be the Court that granted the Probate - unless, of course it was the Proraogative Court of Canterbury - in which case you're stuck. But if it was by a Diocesan Court, then at least you'd know which part of the County was involved. Ratley (the Ecclesiastical name of Ratley & Upton) Parish was in Lichfield Diocese. But overall I'd suggest that he was probably from - er - Ragley, in Worcester Diocese... In the southern part of Arrow Parish (a little to the South of Alcester), and almost on the border of Worcestershire. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [WAR] Looking for place Ragley Hello I can find a will dated 1659 Will of William Butler, Yeoman of Ragley, Warwickshire but I can not find Ragley ,hope someone can help Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ragley Hall is south-west of Alcester and the home of the Marquess & Marchioness of Hertford in the parish of Arrow. I don't know of an actual place called Ragley. Mike Birmingham, UK ----- Original Message ----- I can find a will dated 1659 Will of William Butler, Yeoman of Ragley, Warwickshire but I can not find Ragley ,hope someone can help Jeff

Ragley is close Alcester, Ragley Hall estate is the home of the Marques of Hertford, the previous Marquees rolled his "R's" and pronounced his home as "Wagley". Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [WAR] Looking for place Ragley > Hello > I can find a will dated 1659 Will of William Butler, Yeoman of Ragley, > Warwickshire but I can not find Ragley ,hope someone can help > Jeff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just paid out £45 for a copy of the 1911 census and very useful it is too. However,it is difficult to explain away certain age discrepancies: In 1911 ,grandfather is 31 and grandmother is 29 . When they married in 1914-just before he volunteered for the army- the stated ages are 30 and 24! While both could write, was their arithmetic so awful or memory so bad. As she had already declared her real? age in 1911 was their any point in concealment at the marriage. bob holmes

Hello Kathy I grew up in Norman Ave Nuneaton -so yes much older than 1970 We moved there in 1952 and the house was probably 50 years old then !! Some Street names around the area were derived from male forenames Frank, Harold, Edward, Norman, etc Running parallel with Norman Ave are Bracebridge and Marlborough Streets with Princes Ave running at right angles leading off from Princes St Queens Rd runs at right angles at the opposite end of Norman Ave. Edward St was possibly named for the King- as there are Alexander and Victoria, and Windsor Streets close by, Never knew why Norman Ave was so named but often wondered so I would be interested in knowing if you do find out! Perhaps named after members of the council at the time the houses were built or the roads laid out? Cheers Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin Does anyone know the origin of these Nuneaton street names-Norman Avenue , Harold Street and Frank Street. I have been told that they were possibley be named after 3 of my Jeffcoate family so I am curious to know when and why they were named. Norman was knighted in 1970,( though I believe these roads are much older) Frank was a solicitor but I don't know anything of Harold.

Hello, I am researching the BATES surname and have compiled a web site to this effect HYPERLINK "http://www.batesplace.co.uk/"www.batesplace.co.uk I hope this will be of assistance to anyone researching the names BATES, WARD, PHILLIPS, JENKINS. I welcome your comments, observation and corrections. I am seeking information on Daniel WARD b 1742 (est.) married to Alice ALSLEY at Eyton 1762 and another marriage to Mary ROTHWELL 1783 also at Eyton . Many Thanks Lewis Bates Message re sent owing to corruption of hyperlink No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/887 - Release Date: 05/07/2007 13:55

Henry St, John St. Deacon St, Cheveral St, and Stewart St.are on the 1902 maps. The first 3 of these only have a few houses built along them and Cheverl St. not yet linked to Henry St. It could be that this area was built around 1899-1904. I believe that there were Borough Councillers named Deacon and Fitton Beryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHLEEN OFARRELL" <kathleenofarrell@btinternet.com> To: "warks list" <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: [WAR] street names > Does anyone know the origin of these Nuneaton street names-Norman Avenue , > Harold Street and Frank Street. I have been told that they were possibley > be named after 3 of my Jeffcoate family so I am curious to know when and > why they were named. Norman was knighted in 1970,( though I believe these > roads are much older) Frank was a solicitor but I don't know anything of > Harold. I have tried contacting Nuneaton Council but they have been unable > to help me so far. Any help therefore would be much appreciated. > Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am researching the BATES surname and have compiled a web site to this effect HYPERLINK "http://www.batesplace.co.uk"www.batesplace.co.uk I hope this will be of assistance to anyone researching the names BATES, WARD, PHILLIPS, JENKINS. I welcome your comments, observation and corrections. I am seeking information on Daniel WARD b 1742 (est.) married to Alice ALSLEY at Eyton 1762 and another marriage to Mary ROTHWELL 1783 also at Eyton . Many Thanks Lewis Bates No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.0/887 - Release Date: 05/07/2007 13:55

Is anyone researching this family? James Coape married Georgiana Arnold in 1840 and hence commenced the spelling of Coape-Arnold. Their residence is described in a few documents as Mirables, Isle Of Wight, England. George Arnold of Ashby St. Ledgers (Northants.). first wife Elizabeth (Simmonds) White died in 1788, and he was then lord of Wolvey Hall up to 1805, when he was succeeded by George Henry Coape-Arnold, his son by his second wife. Georgeana, she married (1840) James Coape of Goldhanger (Essex), and their grandson Mr. Cranfield C. H. Coape-Arnold was lord in 1936. of Wolvey Hall near Hinckley. Three known children 1 Henry Fraser James Coape-Arnold married Mary Genevieve Cummings (father was Vicar of Cheadle) 2 Julia Henrietta Mary Coape married Colvin Stewart 3 Charlotte Claudine Georgeana Coape - on her 2nd marriage became Lady Daly on the Isle of Wight Henry Fraser and Mary had children and it these lines we are trying to trace but any information would be helpful. Charlotte Claudine Georgeana Coape married the widow Sir Henry Dermot Daly, born in Carisbrooke, Isle of Wight. They are both buried in Ryde Cemetery. Any information most appreciated! Anna New Zealand

Hello All, I have just got back from a week of research. (more below) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Temple" <marytemple@gmail.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:47 AM Subject: [WAR] Roman Catholic Marriages > Hello Everyone > > My grateful thanks to all those who answered my query re Roman Catholic > marriages both on and off list. There were a mass of answers. You have given > me a great deal to think about. I do hope that others on the list who have > the same problems found the excellent material on line useful as well. It seems that my doubts that Brailles might have a RC community in the 1790s were misplaced. Warwick Records Office hold transcripts of RC records for Brailles as follows: Births/baptisms 1778-1844 Marriages 1785-1795, 1820-1865 Burials 1785-1789, 1820-1912 Confirmations 1779-1888. There are some RICHARDSON names there, but not your John RICHARDSON. I will send you some details off-list. One detail I found interesting was that the baptisms took place at the home of the parents of the child being baptised. Perhaps there was not a church as such at the time. The period I was looking at (c.1790) predates the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act by some forty years. > St Osgood's seems to be the church in question and I will follow that > through. If it was only finished in 1845 then my great grandparents must > have been among the earliest to have been married there!!! They were married > on 13 April 1846. It seems that there was a community called St Osberg's before the present church was built. Warwick Records Office hold microfilm of 1767-1807. It seems that our best bet for later years is St Chads in Birmingham - something for me to investigate perhaps next time I am in the Midlands Regards Peter > > Most interesting, thank you > > Mary > > Hello all >> >> I have a puzzle and who amongst has not! Well more than one actually, but >> they are related. >> >> My great grandparents Henry Richardson and Ann Thacker were married - >> according to the certificate - in the Roman Catholic Church in the >> District >> of Coventry and - again according to the certificate were - married in the >> Roman Catholic Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Roman >> Catholic Church by me J A A Clarkson and signed also by John Weston >> Registrar. This was on the thirteenth Day of April 1846. At the time of >> his >> marriage Henry was living at Town Wall in the City of Coventry and Anne in >> Harnall Lane in the City of Coventry. >> >> Does any one know the name of the Church please? >> >> I have also been told several times that a marriage in a Roman Catholic >> Chuch did not happen at this time, they were all married in C of E >> Churches >> first and then may be had their own ceremony later. Well we certainly have >> one here that did - does any one else have such a marriage???? Certainly >> the >> registrar was present and that made it legal. >> >> Certainly at least one partner, the Richardsons or the Thackers must have >> been Roman Catholic, perhaps both, but it has not come down this side of >> the >> family. Their son, Joseph, my grandfather, was married in St Andrews in >> Leicester. >> >> This may well be why I am having trouble finding the birth of Henry's >> father, John c1790 - which can be either in Brailles or Coventry according >> to which census is consulted. There is a RC Church in Brailles I notice. >> Some difficulty with William Thacker's birth and death, William was of >> course Ann's father. >> >> Does anyone else have the same problems please - trying to locate records >> that may have been Roman Catholic? >> >> Best wishes to all listers >> >> Mary >> Western Australia >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathleen The roads wee built in the early 1900s probably between 1900 & 1915. They are in Chilvers Coton parish (rather than Nuneaton). There are streets in the area also called John, Stewart, Edward & Henry Peter R Thompson Bedworth Warwickshire UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "KATHLEEN OFARRELL" <kathleenofarrell@btinternet.com> To: "warks list" <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: [WAR] street names > Does anyone know the origin of these Nuneaton street names-Norman Avenue , > Harold Street and Frank Street. I have been told that they were possibley > be named after 3 of my Jeffcoate family so I am curious to know when and > why they were named. Norman was knighted in 1970,( though I believe these > roads are much older) Frank was a solicitor but I don't know anything of > Harold. I have tried contacting Nuneaton Council but they have been unable > to help me so far. Any help therefore would be much appreciated. > Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know the origin of these Nuneaton street names-Norman Avenue , Harold Street and Frank Street. I have been told that they were possibley be named after 3 of my Jeffcoate family so I am curious to know when and why they were named. Norman was knighted in 1970,( though I believe these roads are much older) Frank was a solicitor but I don't know anything of Harold. I have tried contacting Nuneaton Council but they have been unable to help me so far. Any help therefore would be much appreciated. Kathy

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Hello Gus. Thanks. My interest is in my wife's maiden name of CHATTERLEY. The earliest direct relation is from Spernal and they migrated through Morton Bagot and Bearley to Snitterfield. It would seem that there was a movement of CHATTERLEYs in the opposite direction, to Studley, Ipsley and Feckenham with there being connections to Wootton Wawen, Great Alne and Inkberrow as well. I haven't found anyone else looking at the CHATTERLEY name and was trying to connect them all together. Thanks again. Mike

Hello MAR I agree that Feckenham was just across the border in WOR and my CHATTERLEYs crossed there from WAR almost certainly. As I am on WAR I thought I would try there first. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: ramaix To: Mike ; WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: re: [WAR] Feckenham PRs Feckenham is in Worcestershire and I don't think it was ever in Warks - but no doubt our resident boundary expert will correct me if I am wrong. MAR in France. > Message du 02/07/07 01:27 > De : "Mike" > A : WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] Feckenham PRs > > Hello. > > Does anyone on the list have access to the Feckenham Parish Registers please. > > Thanks. > > Mike > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

Gus: I share your doubts about the national gazetteer piece I quoted. I've since found a fuller entry, here. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WOR/Tardebigge/Gaz1868.html This fuller entry is internally inconsistent, as it first claims that the parish of Tardebigge is split between Worcestershire and Warwickshire, and then lists the parts of the parish, stating that each is in Worcestershire! It also points out that both "Cobley" and "Tutnall and Cobley" [sic] were previously in Warwickshire. All in all, I think that this looks like an incompetent update of an earlier publication, as you suggest. So I think we agree that the parish of Tardebigge was split between Worcestershire and Warwickshire, with around 60% of the area but 90% of the population in Worcestershire, although the parish church was in Warwickshire. > But my knowledge of former Railway Companies is insufficient to be able to > confirm that the Birmingham and Bristol Railway ever ran significantly > through the Parish. The two stations named of Bromsgrove and Blackwell - > the > two ends of the Lickey Incline - certainly lie on the former Birmingham > and > Gloucester Railway, but no more than ½ a mile of that was within Tutnall > and > Cobley.... (But maybe the Birmingham and Bristol line branched off through > Alvechurch and Redditch.) Given my railway background I had to try and solve this one! And this link http://www.virgintrainsmediaroom.com/media/adobepdf/9%20CrossCountryE.pdf shows that the Birmingham and Bristol railway was a marketing name used jointly by the Birmingham and Gloucester Railway and the Gloucester and Bristol Railway. (Be aware that this link takes a long time to load, even with a broadband connection. The reference is at the bottom of page 3). So the railway did run through the parish as claimed, but only just. Best wishes Paul

John Kane wrote: > Hello Carol, > > The Sep 1861 entry for Frances is wrong - 352 should be 382 ... > > Marriages Sep 1861 > RAWLINS Frances Isabella Meriden 6d 352 [should be 382] > Sutton William Meriden 6d 382 > > Doesn't explain why they are entered in two different quarters though! Incorrect marriage details. William is just that in the Sept qtr, but he's William Henry in the Dec qtr. It would be interesting to see the actual parish register for the marriage entries. It may be that they didn't turn up for their original marriage but the entry was erroneously sent to the GRO. -- Charani (UK)

Hello Carol, The Sep 1861 entry for Frances is wrong - 352 should be 382 ... Marriages Sep 1861 RAWLINS Frances Isabella Meriden 6d 352 [should be 382] Sutton William Meriden 6d 382 Doesn't explain why they are entered in two different quarters though! Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Frank" <ckennedy@berkshire.net> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: [WAR] free bmd marriage >I was just fooling around on the free BMD site and see that > my Frances Isabella Rawlins of Meriden married twice in the same year-in > fact very close together. > I cannot figure out who the first man was that she married. > She married William Henry Sutton on Oct 14, 1861. > > I wonder if that info is correct? > Carol