Does anybody have the marriage register of Holy Trinity, Coventry for 1715 and 1748, please? If so, I would very much appreciate a look-up of Francis ROBBINS m. Ann BINLEY 27 Dec 1715 and William ROBINS m. Ann CHANDLER 25 Nov 1747 to see if there is any mention of their status and, in the case of the first couple, where they came from. I believe Ann may be from Stretton-under-Fosse in the parish of Monks Kirby and hope Francis is the one who made a will at Stretton in 1747. I have the marriage licence of William Robins & Anne Chandler, which gives their ages as 33 and about 30 respectively and their parish as Wolston (spelt Woolston in the document, which I imagine is the way it is pronounced), however, it does not say whether they are bachelor/spinster or if it is a second marriage for either of them, which is possible, given their ages. Of course, if there are any other notations to help identify them that would be a bonus, though I know it's probably too much to ask at that date. Many thanks in advance if someone can help. MAR in France. maraix

Wendy, The advice is great for newbies to look to see of other searchers..But I would like to add one more item. If you post that you have information, on a site such as Hugh's, make sure that the email addee is one that is current! This is just a little thing that I do...When I go on a site and I leave my name I write it in a notebook or on my computer in what I call search records...Then when life and genealogy is at a lull I go ahead and go back and double check the site to see if any new ones had been added...This keeps oneself current and on top of the situation and CAN be contacted if someone is researching your SURENAME. And it is a good way to keep track of search sites and passwords. I went to Hugh's site and there were five with the name BROMWICH...Two of the three that I contacted was returned addee not known.. Also, remember to check the varieties to the surname: such as BROMAGE, BROMWICK, BRAMICH, BRAMWICH, etc. Some newbies forget that there is more than one spelling of their names. Love this list! Regards, Ezziej BROMWICH BROMWICH STORYSAYER & BROMWICH RESEARCH CORDINATOR --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

Hi Gareth, Judging by that baptism entry in Coventry, Maria looks to be pretty definitely illegitimate - but you'd need to look at the register entry for additional information. The IGI entry is an "extracted item" so the bare details it includes are *probably* correct. The 1841 entry is somewhat confusing - but the 1841 was semi-experimental in any case, omitting as it does all relationships within the household. Maria could have been included as an ASTON by a confused enumerator! Rebecca KEENE would appear to've married Joseph BUTCHER in Northampton [1840 Dec ¼; 15 573], and had 2 children by him - 1) William - who MAY be William Philip born Coventry [1841Mar ¼; 16 367] 2) Mark - born Coventry [1846 Jun ¼; 16 426]. There were no Joseph BUTCHER Deaths (on FreeBMD) in Northamptonshire or Warwickshire 1841-48 (although there were a fair few dotted around the country in the period) There WAS one in Nuneaton District - but not until LATE 1848... Of course FreeBMD may not yet be complete for the 1840s - you need to do a Full Trawl of the Complete GRO Deaths Indexes. Rebecca BUTCHER married Thomas Archer TOWELL in Coventry [1848 Mar ¼; 16 364]. In 1851 the family was shown as: Thomas ARCHER Head M 40 M Brick Layer Bargewell-Nfk Rebecca ARCHER Wife M 35 F Dress Maker Coventry-War William BUTCHER Son - 11 M Errand Boy Coventry-War Mark BUTCHER Son - 5 M Scholar Coventry-War Address: Well St, Coventry Holy Trinity, Coventry, WAR PRO Reference: HO/107/2068 Folio: 49 Page: 1 "Son" should - probably - have been "step son" or "son in law". The current failure to trace a death for Joseph BUTCHER doesn't *necessarily* mean that he didn't die... 1) he could be one of the 'far-flung' ones, and Rebecca returned "home" with the children; 2) he may have died or been killed "away from home" - deaths are registered where they occur, NOT where the deceased normally resides; 3) he may have been found guilty of a fairly serious offence, and transported; or 4) the couple may just have split up .... Divorce can almost certainly be ruled out - it was far beyond the means of almost all but the Seriously Rich. If it was either 3 or 4, then Rebecca's marriage to Tom TOWELL would have been bigamous. By no means uncommon at that time, for it'd be hard to detect (especially in a big city) other than by sheer mischance (or a malicious neighbour informing the authorities...) HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl> To: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? Hi Gus and list Many thanks. Maria was ( I think ) born illegitimate with mother Rebecca KEENE on the IGI 9/8/1836, on the 1841 she is called Maria Keene ASTON her mother Rebecca is now Rebecca BUTCHER and they are staying with Rebecca's sister Jane ASTON nee KEENE. Rebecca KEENE married Joseph BUTCHER in 1840, had William and Mark and married again in 1848 to Thomas Archer TOWELL presumably Joseph BUTCHER was dead or divorced by this time. On the 1851 they are listed as Thomas ARCHER, Rebecca ARCHER and William and Mark BUTCHER. At Maria KEENE's wedding the father is Thomas ARCHER but he is not present, he was married to her mother so technically he was her "father". On the 1861 they are listed as Thomas TOWELL, Rebecca TOWELL, Mark BUTCHER and Emily and Emma TOWELL.

Anyone lost a Sarah BANKS? She turns up dead in Findern, DBY, in 1879 aged 84!! Record will probably be on Mike Spencer's pages @ http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. >From: "Wendy Boland" <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> >To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WAR] Surname Interests for Warwickshire >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:13:28 +1000 > >G'Day All > >May I suggest that Newbies have look at > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html > >This is the Surname Listing for Warwickshire which Hugh maintains. >It is often the best site to find others researching the same surnames as >yourself > >May I also suggest that you search the List Archives -it is often a good >way to spot researchers with >similar interests > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/WARWICK.html > >A third method of attracting another subscriber's attention is to add ONE >or TWO of the surnames you are researching >to your signature - >(not a the whole dammed Tree please ) > >Thank you >Wendy Boland >Co-Admin Warwick List > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

G'Day All May I suggest that Newbies have look at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html This is the Surname Listing for Warwickshire which Hugh maintains. It is often the best site to find others researching the same surnames as yourself May I also suggest that you search the List Archives -it is often a good way to spot researchers with similar interests http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/WARWICK.html A third method of attracting another subscriber's attention is to add ONE or TWO of the surnames you are researching to your signature - (not a the whole dammed Tree please ) Thank you Wendy Boland Co-Admin Warwick List

Hi Gus and list Many thanks. Maria was ( I think ) born illegitimate with mother Rebecca KEENE on the IGI 9/8/1836, on the 1841 she is called Maria Keene ASTON her mother Rebecca is now Rebecca BUTCHER and they are staying with Rebecca's sister Jane ASTON nee KEENE. Rebecca KEENE married Joseph BUTCHER in 1840, had William and Mark and married again in 1848 to Thomas Archer TOWELL presumably Joseph BUTCHER was dead or divorced by this time. On the 1851 they are listed as Thomas ARCHER, Rebecca ARCHER and William and Mark BUTCHER. At Maria KEENE's wedding the father is Thomas ARCHER but he is not present, he was married to her mother so technically he was her "father". On the 1861 they are listed as Thomas TOWELL, Rebecca TOWELL, Mark BUTCHER and Emily and Emma TOWELL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl>; <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? > Hi Gareth, > >> A question, if I move to a new area in 1860 and say my name is >> Joe Bloggs and this is my family ... and ... Do I have to prove it? >> what do I have to prove it? >> is it just generally accepted that I'm not a liar and that my name >> is Joe Bloggs , I may have some papers but I can't read or write >> so is that proof ? > The Quick Answers to your 4 questions are > 1) No - unless (perhaps) you're trying to claim Poor Law Relief from that > new Parish's Union. > 2) Nothing - the Union Authorities would do the back-checking to confirm > which Union they'd have you returned to - and to charge them for any > expenditure.... > 3) Yes > 4) Probably not applicable > > >>Reason for the question is that I have a Thomas Archer TOWELL b 1809 in >> Bawdeswell Norfolk, in 1848 using full name m Rebecca BUTCHER >> in Coventry. > This seems pretty fair - *HE* was marrying, and likely knew his own full > name, and as this was a solemn declaration before God, he'd be more likely > to be careful to get it right. > >> In 1851 and on the wedding of step daughter Maria KEENE in 1860 >> he drops the Towell and is just Thomas ARCHER, > Do you KNOW that he was present at the step-daughter's marriage? For it > sounds here as if this is what *SHE* said her step-father's name was. > [Although a step-father doesn't really count when completing the "father's > name" box in any case.] And as TAT had married a BUTCHER, how come her > daughter's surname was KEENE??? > >> but on the 1861 he drops the Archer as does Rebecca his wife so he is now >> Thomas Towell. > 1) I can't see why Rebecca would've included ARCHER among her given names > in any case. > 2) In the absence of the Householder's Forms for the 1861, one can't tell > who may have completed his form. (It could've been done by the Enumerator > who'd asked the person next door...) Equally, who ever gives an Enumerator > a > "fully honest" set of answers to the dam-fool questions they ask? If you > were in the UK for the 2001 shambles-census you could put anything you > liked, which many did... > 3) Tom TOWELL was who he was and (presumably) what everybody knew him as > being, which was more than good enough for Government Work. > >> 1871 don't know yet but on the 81 he's Thomas Towell again. > See 1861 above.... > >> Was it possible in those days just to switch identity at will ? > 1) I can't see - from the information you've given - that he ever did... > 2) But even if he had, it'd be perfectly legal - even today - merely to > drop a Middle Name. [Granted, there'd be bureaucratic difficulties NOW, > but > it's still legal to do so - AS LONG AS it's not for the purposes of Fraud, > which was the case then, too.] > > "You are who you say you are" - and it's (still) up to the Authorities to > try to prove that you're Somebody Else :-) > > > HTH > > Gus >

Hi: I'm looking for any connection to the BICKERTON name originating in Coventry, watch finishers/gilders. In particular William George b 1853, father Henry, mother Elizabeth and siblings Henry, Charles and Thomas. I have the family in the 1861 census, and William in 1871/81 etc. - he ends up in Kent, via the army! This is not a direct line of mine, but one I am interested in. Thanks, Linda

Wendy, Thanks for your help in straightening out why I had not been receiving the Warwick digest. I complained to Rootsweb and they said I was signed up for and I received all the names of the lists I belong too...So I thought I had done something wrong for I finally was receiving all but this list...and suddenly I have you all back...Thank YOU! Regards, Ezziej Bromwich --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Hi Yes its now 100 years block on photocopying almost any record this includes school record and electoral rolls, in fact if you wish to see your own personal entry they will cover up ALL the rest so you can not even see your class mates! John Russell www.covkid.org.uk www.virtualmuseum.co.uk

MarianKntt@aol.com wrote: > hi > not new to researching my family tree, but ive been fortunate in not having > to order certs before. Could someone please tell me the best, quickest, > cheapest way of doing this please. I just dont want to make too many mistakes. The best way is through the GRO themselves or through the relevant register office. The cost is the same (7GBP) but the register office may charge postage which the GRO doesn't. You can order online with the GRO but may not be able to do so through a register office. (www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/) Delivery takes 5-10 days (or thereabouts) depending on where in the world you are. If you are ordering through the GRO, make sure you have their reference number which you can find on www.freebmd.org.uk or www.findmypast.com or www.familyrelatives.com or www.ancestry.com and also that you ensure you check the "yes" box to say that you have the reference otherwise it will cost more. Don't worry about filling in all the information in the form. The GRO don't use it all, only the sections marked with an asterisk (*). You can use reference checking points if you have the choice of more than one and they'll issue a cert for the first one that matches the points you've given. A word of warning though: *don't* use the father's occupation as a checking point! It can change from certificate to certificate and from census to census. It also depends on who is giving the information. If you decide to order from the register office, then you don't need the GRO reference because register offices use a different system but you will need to given them a date or date range for births and deaths. For marriages you will usually need to know the church where the marriage took place. Whatever you do, *don't* use one of the firms who offer to get certs for you. They charge over the odds (anything up to 60GBP) and some of them give the impression they are the "official" site. They aren't. The only genuine official site is the GRO itself. Only the GRO and the register offices are genuine official sources. The certificate sites will use them themselves. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

Hi Gareth, > A question, if I move to a new area in 1860 and say my name is > Joe Bloggs and this is my family ... and ... Do I have to prove it? > what do I have to prove it? > is it just generally accepted that I'm not a liar and that my name > is Joe Bloggs , I may have some papers but I can't read or write > so is that proof ? The Quick Answers to your 4 questions are 1) No - unless (perhaps) you're trying to claim Poor Law Relief from that new Parish's Union. 2) Nothing - the Union Authorities would do the back-checking to confirm which Union they'd have you returned to - and to charge them for any expenditure.... 3) Yes 4) Probably not applicable >Reason for the question is that I have a Thomas Archer TOWELL b 1809 in > Bawdeswell Norfolk, in 1848 using full name m Rebecca BUTCHER > in Coventry. This seems pretty fair - *HE* was marrying, and likely knew his own full name, and as this was a solemn declaration before God, he'd be more likely to be careful to get it right. > In 1851 and on the wedding of step daughter Maria KEENE in 1860 > he drops the Towell and is just Thomas ARCHER, Do you KNOW that he was present at the step-daughter's marriage? For it sounds here as if this is what *SHE* said her step-father's name was. [Although a step-father doesn't really count when completing the "father's name" box in any case.] And as TAT had married a BUTCHER, how come her daughter's surname was KEENE??? > but on the 1861 he drops the Archer as does Rebecca his wife so he is now > Thomas Towell. 1) I can't see why Rebecca would've included ARCHER among her given names in any case. 2) In the absence of the Householder's Forms for the 1861, one can't tell who may have completed his form. (It could've been done by the Enumerator who'd asked the person next door...) Equally, who ever gives an Enumerator a "fully honest" set of answers to the dam-fool questions they ask? If you were in the UK for the 2001 shambles-census you could put anything you liked, which many did... 3) Tom TOWELL was who he was and (presumably) what everybody knew him as being, which was more than good enough for Government Work. > 1871 don't know yet but on the 81 he's Thomas Towell again. See 1861 above.... > Was it possible in those days just to switch identity at will ? 1) I can't see - from the information you've given - that he ever did... 2) But even if he had, it'd be perfectly legal - even today - merely to drop a Middle Name. [Granted, there'd be bureaucratic difficulties NOW, but it's still legal to do so - AS LONG AS it's not for the purposes of Fraud, which was the case then, too.] "You are who you say you are" - and it's (still) up to the Authorities to try to prove that you're Somebody Else :-) HTH Gus

Hi Gareth Simple answer, yes you could The need for officialdom to know your name, age etc (with proof) would be much later (pensions etc) There was no check done on you when you filled in a census form, or when getting married etc so he could call himself what he wanted to Proving who he was would only be important if he needed to for some reason (inheritance for example) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi list. > A question, if I move to a new area in 1860 and say my name is Joe Bloggs > and this is my family ... and ... Do I have to prove it? what do I have > to prove it? is it just generally accepted that I'm not a liar and that my > name is Joe Bloggs , I may have some papers but I can't read or write so > is that proof ? > Reason for the question is that I have a Thomas Archer TOWELL b 1809 in > Bawdeswell Norfolk, in 1848 using full name m Rebecca BUTCHER in Coventry. > In 1851 and on the wedding of step daughter Maria KEENE in 1860 he drops > the Towell and is just Thomas ARCHER, but on the 1861 he drops the Archer > as does Rebecca his wife so he is now Thomas Towell. 1871 don't know yet > but on the 81 he's Thomas Towell again. Was it possible in those days just > to switch identity at will ? > Cheers for now > Gareth

While working in the Warwickshire area I may as well try this family also. They are pretty thin on the ground but it's always worth asking. Mine came from the Kineton area though Oxhill has been mentioned also. They emigrated to NZ in the 1840s but it's back in Warwick prior to this that I'm after. Have webpage for this family that is accessible through the index page (I try to send folk through there as they might find another of my families of interest also). http://AdeInNelson.com/index.html <http://adeinnelson.com/index.html> Cheers Adrienne Also researching these names in Warwick: MASSER, MARSER, MERCER STRINGER - Mancetter BALL - Shustoke, Mancetter WILSON - Mancetter HORTON - Castle Bromwich KINZETT BOLTER, BOULTER - Loxley WILLIAMS - Stratford on Avon

Anyone got access to Holy Trinity, Stratford on Avon parish records??? I am after the death of one Richard Evetts between 1796 and 1801. Would confirm I'm not on a wild goose chase - or barking up the wrong tree!! Cheers Adrienne

Hi there. I have just found out that Williams are a part of my husbands ancestry so off I go on another branch. This lady is Sarah Williams (born between 1755 and 1762 in the Stratford on Avon area) first married Richard Evetts in Holy Trinity SOA in 1782 and then as a widow to Richard Boulter (from Loxley) at Holy Trinity SOA in 1801. I am presently trying to find her family in the area. I would be pleased to hear from anyone working in this area or has collected a big database on this family name. Cheers Adrienne Nelson, NZ http://AdeInNelson.com/index.html <http://adeinnelson.com/index.html>

Hi Gareth and fellow listers. In response to your question Gareth, I have one of my husbands ancestors who used either his surname or his middle name. Incidentally, for a few generations later it became a double barrell surname - something quite unusual during those years. In this case he was initially a Major - illigitimate son of Mary - but later papa must have realized he had a pretty good son in this young man and he became a Cluett and later Major-Cluett. In my experience it wasn't usual for "base born" children of even children from very early de facto relationships to take the fathers name. Cheers Adrienne On 8/5/07, Gareth <everitt@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > Hi list. > A question, if I move to a new area in 1860 and say my name is Joe Bloggs > and this is my family ... and ... Do I have to prove it? what do I have to > prove it? is it just generally accepted that I'm not a liar and that my name > is Joe Bloggs , I may have some papers but I can't read or write so is that > proof ? > Reason for the question is that I have a Thomas Archer TOWELL b 1809 in > Bawdeswell Norfolk, in 1848 using full name m Rebecca BUTCHER in Coventry. > In 1851 and on the wedding of step daughter Maria KEENE in 1860 he drops the > Towell and is just Thomas ARCHER, but on the 1861 he drops the Archer as > does Rebecca his wife so he is now Thomas Towell. 1871 don't know yet but on > the 81 he's Thomas Towell again. Was it possible in those days just to > switch identity at will ? > Cheers for now > Gareth > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

thanks for the help on ordering certs. im ok now maz

hi not new to researching my family tree, but ive been fortunate in not having to order certs before. Could someone please tell me the best, quickest, cheapest way of doing this please. I just dont want to make too many mistakes. thanks ever so much maz

Hello I fell into the trap of thinking Harriet Jackson married Joseph Brookes 1910 too, unfortunately it was to the other person of that entry, an Edward McFadren Census entries; I do have a Harriet JACKSON aged 2 in 1881 (Parents Alfred and Ellen),they appear also in 1891 but so far nothing in 1901

Hi John, I thought that the Electoral Rolls for the war years were cancelled! Regards Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Russell" <thecovkid@tiscali.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: [WAR] Electoral rolls post 1900 >I have recently run into the problem of indexing or accessing electoral >roll for years > pre 1950, we are [well was] indexing all the WW2 + people living in > hostels, but since > the new rules have come out we are no longer allowed to copy these > [photocopy that > is], you can still transcribe them but not photocopy so you can transcribe > at home?] > > Anyway, for the dates requested you may well run into a closed book, as > you are not > related too the person etc etc. > > Suggest you do a quick Google for the local BBc radio station and get in > touch with > them it sounds like a good story they may wish to pick up > > John > > John Russell > www.covkid.org.uk > www.virtualmuseum.co.uk > > >