Hi All, Can someone please help remove some of my confusion? References are made to Aston Parish Church, St Peter Aston and St Peter and St Paul Aston. Are these in fact the same church? I really would appreciate pointers to information on the history of there church(es). Many Thanks, Dave Whillock

Can anyone tell me how to find hearth tax records (from the USA) or Boyds Marriage Index? ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Sheri

Hi List A question - otp on a wedding certificate means of this parish, but how does one become eligable to be regarded as of this parish ? Presumably you had to be living there when the banns were read ie on the three sundays before the wedding and when the marriage took place. So roughly a month ? Would this be enough ? Cheers for now Gareth

Hi: > In some parishes, yes. In others it might be a year. In the big > cities, London or Manchester for example, a suitcase (or equiv) in the > hall of a residence would be enough to qualify. Not even that in the big cities. All that was necessary was that when the bride and groom told the church authorities where they claimed to live they were believed. No checks were carried out, and it was quite impossible for the vicar of a big city parish to know who was in his parish and who wasn't. It would change every day, anyway. Most of the big city parish registers have far more people marrying there than could ever have lived there. They came in from the surrounding countryside, told a white lie, had a great day out, and went home again afterwards. Best wishes Paul Prescott

Gareth wrote: > Hi List A question - otp on a wedding certificate means of this > parish, but how does one become eligable to be regarded as of this > parish ? Presumably you had to be living there when the banns were > read ie on the three sundays before the wedding and when the > marriage took place. So roughly a month ? Would this be enough ? In some parishes, yes. In others it might be a year. In the big cities, London or Manchester for example, a suitcase (or equiv) in the hall of a residence would be enough to qualify. The Banns would have been read on three consecutive Sundays, but the marriage didn't have to follow immediately although it usually did. I've even see a marriage recorded as the day after the banns were read for the third time. Banns were valid for six months. If the couple hadn't married within that time, the banns would have needed to have been read again. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

Hi, would like to compare notes with anyone researching the residue of John Cock(1768) and his wife Elizabeth Clarke(1774) Pete

I'm doing some of my research in reverse order (!) in that I've gone back to a relative and am now looking at descendants of his siblings. In a relative's travel journal of a trip from America to England in the 1920s, she mentions visiting Thomas HILL in Coventry, although I would not have thought to look for him there as he was born in Scotland. However, in 1901 he is age 34 and a Tailors Cutter living with his wife Jessie and two children - William age 2 and May age 1 month. Although no address was given for the visit in 1926 in the travel journal, there is mention of children: "young daughter Rose (Sissie)", "May with her beau", "Frank and William with their intended wives". At the moment I don't know how to bring this line forward from 1901 as the name is very common. I am therefore wondering if there are any descendants of Tom and Jessie on this list as I would love to make contact and share some of the information I have on the family. I am also intrigued that he lived in Coventry as I was born there, went to school there, and lived there until 1979, and yet the Hills are my husband's family from Scotland. Funny old world. Thank you Carol

<,Anyone any ideas what a cutter cut ? I'm presuming something to do with animals as his father was a groom.>> Hi Gareth I have changed the subject of this thread- Try entering the term "old occupations " into a search engine - loads of info online. Cutter - from my work on the census records people cutting animals in the rural areas was called a castrator - (Ouch! ) Cutters in Birmingham could be cutting buttons, metals , leather, etc etc. So you probably need to look at the area your chap was working in -and find him on a census record to see what his occupation is listed as there.- His children's baptism/birth records may also include the father's occuaption You may also need to conside that the occupation was a CUTLER-(view the original to be certain) just throwing a few spanners at you <grin> Cheers Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin

posting my attleborough interest arnett. Hello Terry Welcome to the List You might be wise to include the surname interest in the subject of your emails as "posting" is ambiguous and may not attract anyone's attention! Could you be a little more specific please and give us some dates . Pickard has my burial transcription for Attleborough online at http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/bmd/Attleborough_burials_1848-1877.html There is nothing listed for Arnett so you probably need to look at Nuneaton and surrounds . You could also explore Pickard's website for the census transcriptions - 1841, 61 & 91 are online for free also the MIs Index. You may also wish to include your surname interests at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html This is the Surname Listing for Warwickshire which Hugh maintains. It is often the best site to find others researching the same surnames as yourself. Good Hunting Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin

And in the garment producing trade, possibly at a later date when "off the peg" became more common, a "cutter" cut out the fabric. My father had a small factory making woollen non fully fashioned cardigans. Job was our cutter. He used enormous scissors to cut out five pieces at a time. Then he would separate out the variouse body pieces from his stacks, e.g. 2 sleeves, 1 back, 2 fronts, 1 finsihing rib and, sometimes, 2 pockets, tie them all up in a bundle with a piece of offcut and pass then to the sewing-up girls. His cutting table was wooden and polished to a fine sheen from long use! My mum was a dab hand at getting needles out of the girls fingers. They were on piece work and sometimes included bits of their own bodies in the garment in the rush to finish. Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. >From: "Wendy Boland" <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> >To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl>, <mgeneas@yahoo.ca> >CC: WARWICK@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WAR] Cutter >Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:53:35 +1000 > > > ><,Anyone any ideas what a cutter cut ? I'm presuming something to do with >animals as his father was a groom.>> > >Hi Gareth > >I have changed the subject of this thread- > >Try entering the term "old occupations " into a search engine - loads of >info online. > >Cutter - from my work on the census records people cutting animals in the >rural areas was called a castrator - >(Ouch! ) > >Cutters in Birmingham could be cutting buttons, metals , leather, etc etc. >So you probably need to look at the >area your chap was working in -and find him on a census record to see what >his occupation is listed as there.- >His children's baptism/birth records may also include the father's >occuaption > >You may also need to conside that the occupation was a CUTLER-(view the >original to be certain) > just throwing a few spanners at you <grin> > >Cheers >Wendy Boland >Warwick List Admin > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Marilyn Thanks for the info, the witnesses were John and Sarah HIAM, family of her father's wife Mary HIAM I presume. Was there a time limit to be accepted as "of this parish" ? Of full age - really helpful - she was 26 so he was anywhere between 21-40! Anyone any ideas what a cutter cut ? I'm presuming something to do with animals as his father was a groom. All in all not a very forthcoming certificate Cheers for now Gareth

Hi All Agree with most - deleted, but not all !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Eales" <carole.eales@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl>; "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [WAR] identity ? > Hi Folks... > > I think I might have found Maria Keene in 1851....I hope this all makes > sense....<vbg> > Jonathan KEENE & Mary presented for baptism at Holy Trinity, Coventry: > 13.01.1806 Mary Ann > 28.07.1807 Jane > 18.01.1809 Eliza > 21.02.1811 Jonathon > 18.08.1812 Thomas Mary Ann , Eliza and Thomas didn't know, but also have 27/03/1814 Rebecca Keene 01/11/1817 William Keene died 18/06/1820 28/11/1820 James Hiam Keene All at Holy Trinity > Of these, Jane KEENE married Thomas ASTON at Holy Trinity, Coventry on > 08.04.1828.. Jonathan KEENE married Susan BATES 25/06/1832 St Johns Coventry Rebecca KEENE married Joseph BUTCHER 27/12/1840 St Giles church Northampton > Thomas ASTON & Jane had the following children baptised: > > 21.06.1831 Catherine.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry died 25/06/1836 > 04.11.1843 Eliza..... at Holy Trinity, Coventry > 18.10.1842 James Hiam Keene .. at Holy Trinity, Coventry > 09.05.1846 James Neslin.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry Weren't on the '41 so hadn't looked for them JHK for the second time !! > Maybe with the changing of choice of church for baptism caused Maria to be > missed out?? ... and it's not surprising that the Enumerator could get > the > names mixed up !! No just the relationship, which wasn't recorded, and he just added an ASTON on the end of Maria's name. So Maria was staying with her aunt Jane ( Rebecca's sister ) > Maria's mother had died by 1851... NO Rebecca married Joseph BUTCHER 27/12/1840 and she was living with sister Jane ASTON on the '41. In 48 she married Thomas Archer TOWELL. On the '51 living as Rebecca Archer, on the '61 as Rebecca TOWELL. > In 1851..... Marian KEENE (sic) is listed with her maternal aunt..... > Marian KEENE Niec - 14 F Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War > Address: Summerland Row, Coventry 400 > Census Place: Coventry St Michael Coventry 400, Warwickshire > PRO Reference: HO/107/2067 Folio: 611 Page: 24 FHL Film: 0087330 BIG THANKYOU !! > Holy Trinity, Coventry.... > > Banns 23.09.1860 William Everitt, 27, bac., weaver of Upper Well Street, > son of Joseph Everitt, weaver to Maria Keene (x), 24, spin. of Upper > Well > Street, dau. of Thomas Keene, bricklayer. Wits. James Holt & Jane Emmitt > (or should that be Everitt??) yes But on the wedding cert on the same day Maria's father is Thomas ARCHER not Thomas KEENE which is what started the whole goosechase in the first place vvbg Many thanks Cheers for now Gareth

--- Gareth <everitt@xs4all.nl> wrote: > I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet > don't > know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. > Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry > which makes it easier to search the BMD, Hi Gareth The marriage is on the Northants 1837-1860 Marriage Index disc. Joseph BUTCHER otp, (St. Giles Street), bachelor, of full age, clipper, father Phillip, groom Rebecca KEENE otp, (St. Giles Street), spinster, of full age, father Jonathan, cork cutter 1840 7-Dec at Northampton St Giles Perhaps the witnesses (when you get the certificate) will provide some more clues. Marilyn Details of various Northants indexes http://www.northants-familytree.net/ Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca

Hi Folks... I think I might have found Maria Keene in 1851....I hope this all makes sense....<vbg> Jonathan ASTON was living with his maternal grandfather, Jonathan KEENE in 1851... KEENE, Jonathan Neighbors 309316 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Jonathan KEENE Head W 67 M Cork Cutter Coventry---- Jonathan ASTON GSon - 18 M Watchmaker Coventry---- James FIELDING ... - 46 M Cork Cutter ----Ire Mary Russell DOUGLAS Hskp U 46 F --- Coventry---- Address: West Orchard, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry Holy Trinity Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2068 Folio: 40 Page: 27 FHL Film: 0087331 Jonathan KEENE & Mary HIAM at St. John Baptist, Coventry, on 14.10.1804 [IGI] can't confirm but it is almost certainly correct (see below for the Aston bps)... Jonathan KEENE & Mary presented for baptism at Holy Trinity, Coventry: 13.01.1806 Mary Ann 28.07.1807 Jane 18.01.1809 Eliza 21.02.1811 Jonathon 18.08.1812 Thomas Of these, Jane KEENE married Thomas ASTON at Holy Trinity, Coventry on 08.04.1828.. Banns 08.04.1828 Thomas ASTON, bac., otp. & Jane KEENE, spin., otp. Wits. Jonothan KEENE, junr., & Eliza KEENE Thomas ASTON & Jane had the following children baptised: 05.12.1828 Mary....at St. John Baptist, Coventry 21.06.1831 Catherine.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry 08.06.1833 Jonathan Keene ... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 01 09 1835 Jane... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 26.12.1837 William Samuel.... at St. Michael & All Angels, Coventry 04.11.1843 Eliza..... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 28.04.1840 Hannah ... at Holy Trinity, Coventry 18.10.1842 James Hiam Keene .. at Holy Trinity, Coventry 09.05.1846 James Neslin.. at Holy Trinity, Coventry Which basically tallies with the 1841 Census return for West Orchard 1153, 33, 21. Maybe with the changing of choice of church for baptism caused Maria to be missed out?? ... and it's not surprising that the Enumerator could get the names mixed up !! Also..... Eliza KEENE married Joseph PREEDY at Holy Trinity, Coventry, on 11.11.1833.... Banns 11.11.1833 Joseph PREEDY, bac. of St. John the Baptist & Eliza KEENE, spin. otp. Wits. Stephen STEANE & Jane FARREN (x). Maria's mother had died by 1851... ASTON, Thomas Neighbors 309444 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Thomas ASTON Head W 55 M S Weaver Coventry-War Jane ASTON Daur U 16 F S Winder Coventry-War Samuel ASTON Son U 13 M Watch Maker Coventry-War Hannah ASTON Daur U 11 F House Servant Coventry-War Eliza ASTON Daur U 7 F --- Coventry-War James ASTON Son U 5 M --- Coventry-War Address: No 13 Malt House Yd Well St, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry Holy Trinity Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2068 Folio: 56 Page: 15 FHL Film: 0087331 In 1851..... Marian KEENE (sic) is listed with her maternal aunt..... PREEDY, Joseph Neighbors 308367 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Joseph PREEDY Head M 42 M Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War E. PREEDY Wife M 41 F Winder Coventry-War A. PREEDY Daur - 16 F Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War J. PREEDY Son - 15 M Watch Finisher Coventry-War D. PREEDY Son - 14 M Watch Jewiler Coventry-War M. PREEDY Daur - 13 F Silk Filler Coventry-War E. PREEDY Daur - 7 F Scholar Coventry-War C. PREEDY Daur - 6 F Scholar Coventry-War Marian KEENE Niec - 14 F Ribbon Weaver Coventry-War Address: Summerland Row, Coventry 400 Census Place: Coventry St Michael Coventry 400, Warwickshire PRO Reference: HO/107/2067 Folio: 611 Page: 24 FHL Film: 0087330 Burials at Coventry Cemetery, London Road, Coventry... Square 120, grave 41; grave purchased by Thomas ASTON... includes the following persons: 24.09.1849 Jane Aston [42] Well Street, Holy Trinity 10.07.1859 Thomas Aston [54] Well Street, Holy Trinity 03.10.1872 Henry Arthur Bull [1] Spon Street, St. John 20.12.1871 Laura Elizabeth Clare [17m] Stoney Stanton Road, St. Mark 03.05.1891 Francis Cockerell [58] Harnall Lane, St. Mark 24.10.1872 Sarah Hutt [80] Spon Street, St. John Holy Trinity, Coventry.... Banns 23.09.1860 William Everitt, 27, bac., weaver of Upper Well Street, son of Joseph Everitt, weaver to Maria Keene (x), 24, spin. of Upper Well Street, dau. of Thomas Keene, bricklayer. Wits. James Holt & Jane Emmitt (or should that be Everitt??) Hope that makes sense !! Carole -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gareth Sent: 10 August 2007 18:27 To: Gus Tysoe Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? Hi Gus Many thanks for all the help You mention the register entry for additional info, presumably on a fiche in Coventry ? Nowhere online ? I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet don't know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry and she remarried in Coventry so "presumably" she only left to get married and Joseph was doing his thing wherever, obviously came back a few times - otherwise no kids. When I get the cert I'll know his age and profession and his fathers name and profession which makes it easier to search the BMD, IGI and various censuses online. Can't find Maria KEENE / ASTON anywhere after 1841 till she married my gr grandfather William EVERITT in 1860 in Coventry. Cheers for now Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? - but you'd need to look at the register entry for additional information. . > Maria could have been included as an ASTON by a confused enumerator! - you need to do a Full Trawl of the Complete GRO Deaths Indexes. > > The current failure to trace a death for Joseph BUTCHER doesn't > *necessarily* mean that he didn't die... > 1) he could be one of the 'far-flung' ones, and Rebecca returned "home" > with the children; > 2) he may have died or been killed "away from home" - deaths are > registered where they occur, NOT where the deceased normally resides; > 3) he may have been found guilty of a fairly serious offence, and > transported; or > 4) the couple may just have split up .... > HTH > > Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Mar. The marriage of Francis Robbins and Ann Binley took place on 09.06.1716 (not Dec. 1915) at Holy Trinity, Coventry... I'm afraid there is nothing in the entry other than the names and the date. The marriage of William Robins and Ann Chandler took place on 25.11.1748 (not 1747) and again, I'm afraid, there are no more details given. Sorry there is nothing else.... Best wishes Carole -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of ramaix Sent: 10 August 2007 08:31 To: WARWICK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] ROBBINS-BINLEY & ROBINS-CHANDLER MARRIAGES IN COVENTRY Does anybody have the marriage register of Holy Trinity, Coventry for 1715 and 1748, please? If so, I would very much appreciate a look-up of Francis ROBBINS m. Ann BINLEY 27 Dec 1715 and William ROBINS m. Ann CHANDLER 25 Nov 1747 to see if there is any mention of their status and, in the case of the first couple, where they came from. I believe Ann may be from Stretton-under-Fosse in the parish of Monks Kirby and hope Francis is the one who made a will at Stretton in 1747. I have the marriage licence of William Robins & Anne Chandler, which gives their ages as 33 and about 30 respectively and their parish as Wolston (spelt Woolston in the document, which I imagine is the way it is pronounced), however, it does not say whether they are bachelor/spinster or if it is a second marriage for either of them, which is possible, given their ages. Of course, if there are any other notations to help identify them that would be a bonus, though I know it's probably too much to ask at that date. Many thanks in advance if someone can help. MAR in France. maraix ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.11/944 - Release Date: 09/08/2007 14:44 Carole's outgoing mail has been scanned by AVG and is virus free. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.11/944 - Release Date: 09/08/2007 14:44

William Fowler my g.g.g.grandfather has proven untraceable (So far). The only evidence to his existence is an appearance on his sons wedding certificate 1841. His son William shows his place of birth as Eton Bucks about 1812 on two census returns '51 and 61 and died before the '71. I have exhausted searches for his baptism in the Eton, Bucks and Berks areas without success. The son William's first child, a daughter was named Charlotte, may have been named after his mother, a long shot but no Charlottes on the wifes side.So looking for a Charlotte who married a William Fowler sometime before 1812, I found Charlotte Biddle who married William Fowler in Wellesbourne in 1810. I've not managed to find any further records for her baptism or death nor William the elder. I am aware of the speculative/wishful nature of this lead but I've tried the possible and I'm now moving into the impossibles. If anybody has information about the above couple, I would really appreciate it. Ted NSW Australia

Hi Gus Many thanks for all the help You mention the register entry for additional info, presumably on a fiche in Coventry ? Nowhere online ? I've applied for the wedding cert of Rebecca to Joseph BUTCHER, as yet don't know anything about him and can't find him in Coventry on the '41. Rebecca was in Coventry on the '41 and both kids were born in Coventry and she remarried in Coventry so "presumably" she only left to get married and Joseph was doing his thing wherever, obviously came back a few times - otherwise no kids. When I get the cert I'll know his age and profession and his fathers name and profession which makes it easier to search the BMD, IGI and various censuses online. Can't find Maria KEENE / ASTON anywhere after 1841 till she married my gr grandfather William EVERITT in 1860 in Coventry. Cheers for now Gareth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: "Gareth" <everitt@xs4all.nl> Cc: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] identity ? - but you'd need to look at the register entry for additional information. . > Maria could have been included as an ASTON by a confused enumerator! - you need to do a Full Trawl of the Complete GRO Deaths Indexes. > > The current failure to trace a death for Joseph BUTCHER doesn't > *necessarily* mean that he didn't die... > 1) he could be one of the 'far-flung' ones, and Rebecca returned "home" > with the children; > 2) he may have died or been killed "away from home" - deaths are > registered where they occur, NOT where the deceased normally resides; > 3) he may have been found guilty of a fairly serious offence, and > transported; or > 4) the couple may just have split up .... > HTH > > Gus

G'day All I 'm a very pleased to announce that we have now completed transcribing all the 1861 census pieces for the "rural" areas of Warwickshire and I am sending the last file to Pickard for upload to his pink pages. Most of these are unchecked so you may find some errors, typos etc- Just been checking through a piece for Birmingham and had to smile at one entry which added a touch of humour and made the 1861 work seem much less of a chore. It was the record for a household consisting of Grandparents and 3 Grand-daughters The middle child aged 2 years had the occupation of "Household pet" and some-one had written "Oh!" beside it (I suspect it was the Enumerator) The Team is currently working on the remaining 28 pieces for Aston and Birmingham It's been a long haul but we can see the end getting closer at last! Good hunting Wendy Co-ordinator Warwickshire 1861 census and FreeREG Transcription Teams www.hunimex.com/warwick

Hi Listers, Can anyone suggest a source of DVDs of historical Birmingham - we would like to buy one as a birthday present for an relative from Birmingham who has live in Yorkshire for the last 50 years. We've done a lot of searching on the web but there seems to be only VHS publications. Thanks