As Tom BYWATER died in 1858 his Will or Admon - if any - would've been proved in the Civil Courts as opposed to the Ecclesiastical Courts that had carried out Probate work until the end of 1857. And unless Warwick had a 'District Probate Registry' (which I believe is unlikely) then the WAR Records Office almost certainly wouldn't hold any details. Of course, it's quite possible that they - along with many other Records Offices - hold the fiche version of the National Probates Index 1858-1943. < http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Probate.html > gives a (very partial) list of places that hold Indexes, as well as a possible link to the Main Office of the Probate Dept for ordering by mail. The page was last updated in 2004, and there have been a fair number of changes since then... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <sparrer@gmail.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] How to find a relation e bromwich wrote: > Keith, when it comes to probates, wills and etc. I found that > living far away was a hinderance but if you hired someone from the > site of say where Coventry records are kept, they can make a list > of whom and what is listed in the files...and then you can obtain > them...from their office. Warwickshire Record Office should have an online catalogue which will very likely give that information without the need to hire someone at a cost of around £24 per hour. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have two death certificates 1851-1901 in the sub-district of Crick in the Reg District of Rugby ,in what church grounds would they be buried . Jeff

Can anyone tell me how to find hearth tax records (from the USA) or Boyds Marriage Index? Boyds marriage Index http://www.origins.net/BOWelcome.aspx#collections by subscription LDS have them on film Coverage for Warwickshire parishes is limited. You might want to check the Warwick List Archives http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/warwick/2006-07/1153264820 where you will find the parishes and years covered for both Boyds and Phillimores. Hearth Tax records see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=233 Search by place name http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/e179/search.asp Not a case of simply looking up a surname For Warwickshire try the online catalogue at WRO http://archivesunlocked.warwickshire.gov.uk Level Collection AccNo Z0336(L) Title Warwickshire Hearth Tax Returns Description [Negative photostats, bound in 2 large volumes, from the Originals in the P.R.O. E179/259/9 and 10]. Z0336 /1-1666, Z0336/2-1664/5 (enrolled 1667) [See T. Arkell's article in W. History, Vol. vi No 6] Date 1667 Nothing much available online in the way of searchable databases so it may be best to pay some-one to look them up for you . (cheaper than the airfares ) Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin

e bromwich wrote: > Keith, when it comes to probates, wills and etc. I found that > living far away was a hinderance but if you hired someone from the > site of say where Coventry records are kept, they can make a list > of whom and what is listed in the files...and then you can obtain > them...from their office. Warwickshire Record Office should have an online catalogue which will very likely give that information without the need to hire someone at a cost of around £24 per hour.

Am trying to find a marriage for a Thomas Nightall (sp)..to an Esther that occurred sometime in about 1796?Have no clue exactly where..am shooting in the dark and hope that someone will see it in their research and let me know which parish to look for..Thanks SKS.. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hardly dare say but it looks like a rare error on Warwickshire Ancestors Project - 1891, it looks like James Wildsmith to me. Sending image off list. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilesmith" <wiler.bob@bigpond.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: [WAR] 1891 Census of Aston > HI I have found a entry on the Warwickshire Ancestors Project - 1891 > Enumeration District 68 Parish of Aston, Ecc Parish of St Andrew Folio 78 > Page 7 for an Ernest Wildsmith S 28 Lodger labourer Railway Employer, Not > Known. From this info I have tried to locate him in later Census and > Earlier Census yet no Record of Hi I also cannot find a corresponding > Biorth or Christning record. > > Could some one advise me on rthe Parish and it Location it may give me > some additional clues. > > Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Bob, Have looked at the image and its 'James' WILDSMITH. Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilesmith" <wiler.bob@bigpond.com> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: [WAR] 1891 Census of Aston > HI I have found a entry on the Warwickshire Ancestors Project - 1891 > Enumeration District 68 Parish of Aston, Ecc Parish of St Andrew Folio 78 > Page 7 for an Ernest Wildsmith S 28 Lodger labourer Railway Employer, Not > Known. From this info I have tried to locate him in later Census and > Earlier Census yet no Record of Hi I also cannot find a corresponding > Biorth or Christning record. > > Could some one advise me on rthe Parish and it Location it may give me > some additional clues. > > Regards Bob Wilesmith NSW Australia

Im looking for Sian Jennings, David Sealey, and Greg Skabelund. Ther email addresses on the warwick surnames list are no longer valid. hugh papatoetoe, new zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Kopuru

How can you know from his death certificate that he was not married? There is no column to indicate marital status. MAR in France. > Message du 18/08/07 09:44 > De : "Gus Tysoe" > A : "keith hammond" , WARWICK@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] How to find a relation ? > > Hi Keith, > > Horse dealers were notoriously mobile... You *might* find him in the 1841 > and 1851 (he's not in the LDS 3-Counties Index) but the odds are that if you > *do* find him, he'll be likely a Lodger or Boarder somewhere. > > *IF* he left a Will - still a fairly rare occurrence [as a %age of all > deaths] in 1858 - it would be included in the National Probate Index. I > don't know if that's now available on-line, but whether or no, you would > need to look for him *twice* in each Index, as Wills and Administrations > were then indexed separately. > > I have a strong feeling, too, that if he didn't leave a Will - and was > unmarried - then it's unlikely that anyone would bother to pay for a > headstone for him :-( > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "keith hammond" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 7:37 AM > Subject: [WAR] How to find a relation ? > > > Hi, > i have an ancestor who died in coventry 7 december 1858 aged 58. His > name was THOMAS JERVIS BYWATER and he was a horse dealer. I have his death > certificate and he seems to be unmarried. He was bapt in Leicester 1803 and > born 31 december 1799. His parents were both from leicestershire Thomas > bywater and jane jarvis. I can find no record of this family after Thomas > baptism in 1803 until Thomas death 1858. Thomas was buried in Coventry > cemetery and i wonder if a headstone exists ? Also was he on the 1841 census > would a probate or will exist ? > Can any kind person please help or offer any advice as i live in > Malta.THANKS for your kindness and help. > > > Keith in Malta. > > ----------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

Hello again Keith On Ancestry there are 2 (two) entries on 1841 Census for Thos BYWATER. One born c1796 and the other c1801, both living in Leicestershire. I don't have a full Ancestry sub at the moment so perhaps someone else could help out? Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. OPC for Attleborough, WAR L&RFHS Member L 0243 NNWFHS Member 91 >From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> >To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WAR] How to find a relation ? >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:37:50 +0200 > >Hi, > i have an ancestor who died in coventry 7 december 1858 aged 58. >His name was THOMAS JERVIS BYWATER and he was a horse dealer. I have his >death certificate and he seems to be unmarried. He was bapt in Leicester >1803 and born 31 december 1799. His parents were both from leicestershire >Thomas bywater and jane jarvis. I can find no record of this family after >Thomas baptism in 1803 until Thomas death 1858. Thomas was buried in >Coventry cemetery and i wonder if a headstone exists ? Also was he on the >1841 census would a probate or will exist ? >Can any kind person please help or offer any advice as i live in >Malta.THANKS for your kindness and help. > > >Keith in Malta. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Keith, Horse dealers were notoriously mobile... You *might* find him in the 1841 and 1851 (he's not in the LDS 3-Counties Index) but the odds are that if you *do* find him, he'll be likely a Lodger or Boarder somewhere. *IF* he left a Will - still a fairly rare occurrence [as a %age of all deaths] in 1858 - it would be included in the National Probate Index. I don't know if that's now available on-line, but whether or no, you would need to look for him *twice* in each Index, as Wills and Administrations were then indexed separately. I have a strong feeling, too, that if he didn't leave a Will - and was unmarried - then it's unlikely that anyone would bother to pay for a headstone for him :-( Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "keith hammond" <ficus@euroweb.net.mt> To: <WARWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: [WAR] How to find a relation ? Hi, i have an ancestor who died in coventry 7 december 1858 aged 58. His name was THOMAS JERVIS BYWATER and he was a horse dealer. I have his death certificate and he seems to be unmarried. He was bapt in Leicester 1803 and born 31 december 1799. His parents were both from leicestershire Thomas bywater and jane jarvis. I can find no record of this family after Thomas baptism in 1803 until Thomas death 1858. Thomas was buried in Coventry cemetery and i wonder if a headstone exists ? Also was he on the 1841 census would a probate or will exist ? Can any kind person please help or offer any advice as i live in Malta.THANKS for your kindness and help. Keith in Malta. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jeff, In 1851, at least, the sub-District of Crick comprised 10 Parishes, most of which were in Northamptonshire, any of which *might* have been used.... In WAR: Clifton on Dunsmore Hillmorton In NTH Lilbourne, Stanford Clycoton Elkington Yelvertoft Crick Kilsby Barby with Onley and in LEI Westrill & Starmore [which were said to be 'extra-parochial, but associated with Sinsfield] There may well also have been Nonconformist Burial Grounds - and by 1901, quite possibly a Municipal Cemetery as well. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: [WAR] Church in Crick Hello I have two death certificates 1851-1901 in the sub-district of Crick in the Reg District of Rugby ,in what church grounds would they be buried . Jeff ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, i have an ancestor who died in coventry 7 december 1858 aged 58. His name was THOMAS JERVIS BYWATER and he was a horse dealer. I have his death certificate and he seems to be unmarried. He was bapt in Leicester 1803 and born 31 december 1799. His parents were both from leicestershire Thomas bywater and jane jarvis. I can find no record of this family after Thomas baptism in 1803 until Thomas death 1858. Thomas was buried in Coventry cemetery and i wonder if a headstone exists ? Also was he on the 1841 census would a probate or will exist ? Can any kind person please help or offer any advice as i live in Malta.THANKS for your kindness and help. Keith in Malta.

Keith, when it comes to probates, wills and etc. I found that living far away was a hinderance but if you hired someone from the site of say where Coventry records are kept, they can make a list of whom and what is listed in the files...and then you can obtain them...from their office. The cost at first one would think is a little on the stiff side but it is worth receiving the information and save yourself from making a huge mistake when it comes to buying and obtaining the files.. Regards, Ezziej Bromwich --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

Jeff, I would assume if they were buried in Crick churchyard it might be at St Margarets church.. But then I am in the USA and when I assume sometimes one knows what happens...make an *** out of you and me.. Can you google the churches? And see what would be most appropriate. Regards, Ezziej Bromwich --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

Hi Jill Have found them in 1901 RG12 313 folio 81 page 94, haven't spotted them in 1891 yet but will keep looking image off list Regards Bernadette ----- Original Message ----- From: <jill@large4213.freeserve.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: [WAR] ORTON census look up please > Could some kind lister please help me with a look up on the 1891 and/or > 1901 census for a Joseph ORTON, born 1831 in Nuneaton. I would hope to > find him with his wife Ann (born Newbold). Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > TIA > Jill > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could some kind lister please help me with a look up on the 1891 and/or 1901 census for a Joseph ORTON, born 1831 in Nuneaton. I would hope to find him with his wife Ann (born Newbold). Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA Jill

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Hello, List it has been a while since I needed to ask for help..but I am confused...Recently a couple of us were looking at information on a certificate and it listed where the father's name was R.H.D. Can anyone fathom out what that is suppose to mean? We actually suspect the young lady was not married and living with a gentleman having three youngun's by him. But this is what was listed on the birthcertificate of one of the children. Thank you in advance for your opinions. Regards, Ezziej Bromwich BROMWICH STORYSAYER & BROMWICH RESEARCH CORDINATOR --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Hi folks, St Peter & St Paul - Aston (otherwise Aston Juxta) parish church. In the 19th century there was not a St Peter in Aston - cannot vouch for what happened in the 20c - churches came and went. In the 19c the other St Peters that fell within Birmingham were in Dale End and Harborne Hope that throws some light on the subject regards Alf FANTHAM Kings Norton Dave Whillock wrote: > Hi All, > > Can someone please help remove some of my confusion? > References are made to Aston Parish Church, St Peter Aston and St Peter and St Paul Aston. Are these in fact the same church? > I really would appreciate pointers to information on the history of there church(es). > Many Thanks, > Dave Whillock > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >