Thank you for the advance information concerning the Atherstone FH Fair on 29th September. I hope to travel on that day and subsequently learn more about my ancestor George Arthur GILBERT 1878-1958 and his wife Alice NEWMAN. George Arthur was born in Warwick; his father George in Brinklow; his father Thomas in Hillmorton; and his father Thomas in Boddington. A movable feast. But what happened to them in Atherstone? -- Joe Connell Firefox & Thunderbird portals Sunbelt & Avast protection

Hi All, I'm new to this list and looking for some possible Warwickshire connections to a family of WASHBROOKs I have in Oxon. They are the family of Thomas and Elizabeth WASHBROOK in Upper Heyford 1741, 3 May Mary WASHBROOK 1745, 7 Apr Martha 1747, 10 Jan John 1750, 24 Feb Elizabeth 1754, 24 Feb Anne (bur 1754) 1757, 11 Dec Ann (bur 1758) Earlier WASHBROOKs are a bit thin on the ground in Oxon and I've so far drawn a blank at finding any connections but there do seem to be WASHBROOKs around the Oxon/Warwicks borders and there seem to be quite a few in Warwicks and I am wondering if this family came from Warwickshire. There are no marriages for a Thomas WASHBROOK and Elizabeth on any of the Oxon, Bucks or Northants databases. Would be very grateful for any links. Many thanks. Pauline Pauline Shepheard pjs.oxford@virgin.net

Hello everyone, I noticed a marriage of one MARY REEDER to a JOHN LAWRENCE on March 28, 1780 in Kenilworth. I have a Mary Reader born in 1766 in Kenilworth. Would anyone know about these folks? Thank you Carol

OOPS Robert and Eleanor married in 1839. Arleen Marshall

Hello List Can I add to Daryl's information, please? The Family History Day will be in the lounge within St Mary's Church: Saturday 29th September. I am well aware that St Mary's is renowned for being cold, but there is heating in the lounge, so if the promised Indian summer is over (or never arrives) you should not be frozen!! The event opens to the public at 11am, and setting up will be from 9am. Lots of cafes within a few yards of the church, as are a number of second-hand book shops. The town library will be open (a very short stroll away), and their local history specialist will be on duty and expecting extra visitors. If you have links with Atherstone or its surrounding parishes and would like to display your research, you would be welcome to participate. It would help if we knew in advance, so please let me know off-list and I will add your name to the list of those taking part. If you would like to come in costume - perhaps as a favourite ancestor, or dressed in a period of time that is of interest to you - please do! There will be two serving wenches, well-laced into their bodices, to greet you! Everyone with an interest in family history is welcome to visit during the event: there will be a help-desk too! There are no "commercial" stalls expected, but the NNWFHS bookstall will be present with Bob on hand to help you select your purchases. If there is anyone on the List with specific knowledge of the canals, and particularly that which runs through Atherstone, and who has material, we would be delighted to hear from you!! We have been promised some material on the railway and station - the canal was also a very important part of Atherstone's history. We are also promised material on the pubs along Long Street, on the Yards of Atherstone and on the Baddesley Pit Disaster. The challenge on 29th September will be for anyone to prove that Pat's BATES and my BATES, all of "Mancetter parish" (Hartshill), are one and same clan!! Atherstone was, of course, one of the major towns of north Warwickshire (at risk of starting a war, it was *far* more important than Nuneaton in its heyday!!). It was originally within the parish of Mancetter - and Mancetter will figure in a number of the family trees promised. A look at any old parish map will show the size of the ancient parish of Mancetter - so scope is not limited geographically! Add to this the melting-pot of migration brought about around the area (rail, canal, quarries, coal....hatting) and we know that the spread of those with local connections is diverse. The event is being masterminded by Val Pickard - herself a fount of information about Atherstone (I know, I work alongside her one morning a week transcribing records, her knowledge of Atherstone families is *incredible*!). So please: contact Daryl with BEALE material; me for other material to go on display (I will ensure Val knows!). Apologies to Wendy and all others living too far away to join in - but you will be with us "in spirit"...!! Jacqui Subject: [WAR] Atherstone Family History Day/Beale Hi all, The Nuneaton and North Warwickshire Family History Society is to hold a family history day at St. Mary's church, Atherstone on 29th September. This has inspired me to recommence my project into the Beale family of Atherstone, which I had to postpone over two years ago due to redundancy etc. I hope to exhibit my Beale information at the event, in the meantime, if any readers feel that they may have a connection to the family in any way, I would very much like to make contact. Regards, Daryl Jones, Formerly of Atherstone, now in Bedworth.

Hi Listers, My interest in Warwick is Robert MARSHALL born 1794 in WHATCOTE. He married Eleanor HARRIS in 829. He died 1864. Arleen Marshall Melbourne, Aust.

Hello Listeers Continue to research the following names, Botts, large family of farmers, stem from Illshaw Heath, Nuthurst, Tanworth in Arden Pooles all metalsmiths from Inkberrow - Worcester - Birmingham Morrells farmers from Tanworth in Arden. Have good information to share hope someone out there is researching these names as well, can be rached off line at kpoole01@rochester.rr.com Cheers. Ken Kenton Poole Poole's Creative Concepts 34 Dungan Street Canandaigua, NY 14424 585 905 0160 office 585 703 2067 cell 585 486 1248 fax

G'day All Thank you to Pickard for working overtime and uploading the latest 1861 files to his Pink Pages. http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html The Team of volunteers has been working steadily despite all the things life has thrown at them and I appreciate their dedication to the cause. (One was a victim of the floods but saved his computer ) Progress at the end of August 2007 Transcription stage >From a total of 116 pieces for the County. Rural areas - completed Aston- 8 pieces to complete - approx 30 Districts left to transcribe Birmingham 16 pieces to complete with approx 70 Districts left to transcribe I have 4 pieces to prepare for upload - So we have 88 pieces online to date. Well done Team- we are nearly there. Thank you for your support and for all your hard work. Wendy aka Madame Lash. Co-ordinator Warwickshire 1861 census and FreeREG Transcription Teams

Hi all, The Nuneaton and North Warwickshire Family History Society is to hold a family history day at St. Mary's church, Atherstone on 29th September. This has inspired me to recommence my project into the Beale family of Atherstone, which I had to postpone over two years ago due to redundancy etc. I hope to exhibit my Beale information at the event, in the meantime, if any readers feel that they may have a connection to the family in any way, I would very much like to make contact. Regards, Daryl Jones, Formerly of Atherstone, now in Bedworth.

Hi Wendy, Do we still have a list? i'm only getting one or two mails and today none Beryl

Hi I am new to the list and wonder if someone can help Us with our father family. They are Isaac Randle or Randall born14 Feb 1836 Nuneaton father Thomas Randle Mother Mary he marr Eliza Hackett born 1836 no other info on her we do not have a marr date Children Mary Ann born19 May 1859 Nuneaton Jane born 25 June 1863 Nuneaton Isaac had a brother Sammy no info on him We would like to know if there was any other children and a marr if possible for them. they left England just after Jane was born for Canada any help would be aappreciaated Thanks Linda

Hi All, I have just uploaded the following 1861 census transcriptions to my site: RG092135 RG092167 RG092175 RG092179 RG092237 Thanks to all the transcribers that have made this possible, and to Wendy for managing the project and processing each piece They can be accessed from the index file on: http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/freecens/1861/index_1861.html Happy Hunting Pickard Trepess Nagykanizsa, Hungary

My email is lclambkin@shaw.ca

Like panning for gold, there may be a speck somewhere, but buried among tons of sludge. Rarely worth the effort when you see the same place given as being in Warks, Essex and sometimes even a county no-one has ever heard of, and it is commonly assumed that a person was born wherever they happen to be found at any time in their life. Most of it cannot possibly be serious research. MAR in France. > Message du 30/08/07 11:48 > De : "Paul Prescott" > A : "Wendy Boland" , warwick@rootsweb.com > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Patron Subs on the IGI > > Wendy: > > > I have seen some really dodgy information in the Patron Submissions over the years- especially places of birth so I have labelled them all as suspect. Doing my "Blind Pugh" act again! I shall have another trawl through. > > > They *are* all suspect! But just occasionally there's a real find. Search for example on Drusilla YORK, anywhere in the British Isles. Now, admittedly this isn't a common name, but there's only two, and one of them - the one born in 1858 - gives both parents' names, and Drusilla's date of death, after she'd married and emigrated to the USA! Her parents George & Margaret were my gg grandparents. > > Best wishes > > Paul > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wendy: > I have seen some really dodgy information in the Patron Submissions over the years- especially places of birth so I have labelled them all as suspect. Doing my "Blind Pugh" act again! I shall have another trawl through. They *are* all suspect! But just occasionally there's a real find. Search for example on Drusilla YORK, anywhere in the British Isles. Now, admittedly this isn't a common name, but there's only two, and one of them - the one born in 1858 - gives both parents' names, and Drusilla's date of death, after she'd married and emigrated to the USA! Her parents George & Margaret were my gg grandparents. Best wishes Paul

I have found the entire family tree as submitted by a family member Including all the assumptions made by another family member. It is for sale on Family search .org Buyer beware. Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramaix" <ramaix@orange.fr> To: "Paul Prescott" <paul@toranean.demon.co.uk>; "Wendy Boland" <wendy.boland@bigpond.com>; <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Patron Subs on the IGI > Like panning for gold, there may be a speck somewhere, but buried among > tons of sludge. Rarely worth the effort when you see the same place given > as being in Warks, Essex and sometimes even a county no-one has ever heard > of, and it is commonly assumed that a person was born wherever they happen > to be found at any time in their life. Most of it cannot possibly be > serious research. > MAR in France. > > > > > >> Message du 30/08/07 11:48 >> De : "Paul Prescott" >> A : "Wendy Boland" , warwick@rootsweb.com >> Copie à : >> Objet : Re: [WAR] Patron Subs on the IGI >> >> Wendy: >> >> > I have seen some really dodgy information in the Patron Submissions >> > over the years- especially places of birth so I have labelled them all >> > as suspect. Doing my "Blind Pugh" act again! I shall have another trawl >> > through. >> >> >> They *are* all suspect! But just occasionally there's a real find. Search >> for example on Drusilla YORK, anywhere in the British Isles. Now, >> admittedly this isn't a common name, but there's only two, and one of >> them - the one born in 1858 - gives both parents' names, and Drusilla's >> date of death, after she'd married and emigrated to the USA! Her parents >> George & Margaret were my gg grandparents. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> >>--- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 28/08/2007 4:29 PM

Hello John There is another Sarah CROFTS registered at Nuneaton in the March qtr of 1844 See FreeBMDS GRO ref 16 401 Possibly the one christened in Chilvers Coton 10 Nov 1844 IGI gives her parents as William Willoughby CROFTS and Elizabeth (Interesting forenames - there is a Willoughby Crofts in Bedworth married to Martha) The child registered in 1846 is Sarah Ann CROFTS. - as it appears on FreeBMDs. Cheers Wendy On a similar topic, only yesterday I received a phone call from the Register office in Nuneaton concerning an 1846 birth certificate I had ordered. I was almost certain that the person was going to be my gggrandmother Sarah CROFTS in Chilvers Coton, and was somewhat disappointed to find that the person on the certificate wasn't the daughter of Sarah's known parents (her father was not named). However, I must compliment the Register office, who not only responded next day to my application, but have also refunded my payment. Of course, had I thought at the time, I might have asked for the certificate to be sent on anyway (and paid the fee), as I would then have found out where in Nuneaton the baby was born (and who her mother was), and perhaps discovered another little branch in my family tree! A little more preparation might have salvaged some results. Sarah and her husband George EVERITT have caused me quite a few headaches, as first they seem to disappear (unmarried) from the 1871 census, then in 1873 they get married miles away in Nottingham. My ggrandmother Elizabeth Alice was born in 1876 in Nuneaton, followed by her brother Thomas George in 1879 somewhere near Stockport, followed by Bertha Kate in 1882 back in Nuneaton. I can't find any record of George after 1881, and the last I see of Sarah is in 1901. A death certificate from 1915 turned out to be another Sarah EVERITT in Nuneaton, and my Sarah could well have lived beyond the end of the War (born mid-1840s), but as yet no positive hits in my searches. Keep up the good work! John Riley Bourne, Lincs ----- Original Message ---- From: Wendy Boland <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> To: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 August, 2007 11:52:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] [EVERITT-UK] Everitts in Warwickshire <<< I have relied heavily on the IGI for most of the pre-1800 ancestry, but am fairly confident of accuracy>>>> Hello Researchers. A word of caution. Always check the original whenever you can! The main problem with using the IGI alone is that you miss any burials. If you have the NBI and it covers the years you need, you may be able to confirm that people did not die as infants- that is if the age at burial was recorded. This is one of the reasons I am concentrating on the Burial records for FreeREG (when I get time) However, nothing beats trawling the PRs films- you get much more insight into the records. For example , you may come across a "dodgy" surname and realise that the person who wrote up the registers at this time period was barely literate and doing his best! ( I have seen marriage records where the couple had signed their names but the clerk had mis-spelt them - He also had atrocious writing). You may note a change of Incumbent - so realise why half a dozen children from one family are suddenly herded into church to be baptised on the same day ! You may note that name of a witness to a marriage that has puzzled you for ages was actually the churchwarden and witnessed a few dozen more marriages and is no relation to your lines at all! I must say that the IGI records from the "controlled extractions" are really very good, but I have found errors in them probably due to difficult handwriting -or faded pages . Any index will contain errors - some due to how the person has interpreted the original , others from typos and human error. ( It is interesting to note how a porrly written census record may be interpreted in several ways by different people- and who is to say at this stage which version is correct?) I rarely look at "Patron Submissions" or LDS member's contributions. on the IGI. Many of these seem to verge on fantasy. One trap for the unwary is to use the IGI as though it is a complete Index. Warwickshire is well covered for certain years but there are many gaps and omissions. You really should not add a name to your tree solely from the records found in the IGI without verification or evidence that Mr X from 40 miles away is your chap, based solely on finding a name and age that look right! Always check the original whenever you can! Good hunting Wendy Warwickshire FreeREG & 1841 & 1861 FreeCEN Coord www.hunimex.com/warwick ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Paul. Your advice is sound- as always. I have seen some really dodgy information in the Patron Submissions over the years- especially places of birth so I have labelled them all as suspect. Doing my "Blind Pugh" act again! I shall have another trawl through. Best wishes Wendy But you're definitely missing out if you ignore all patron entries. They sometimes cover gaps in the LDS controlled extraction programme. They also sometimes give cross references known from family records which are very hard to discover from parish registers - for example quoting both parents of a christening, with mother's maiden name; or the death of a married woman recorded under her maiden name.

Wendy Many thanks for your very timely (and kindly) reminder. On a similar topic, only yesterday I received a phone call from the Register office in Nuneaton concerning an 1846 birth certificate I had ordered. I was almost certain that the person was going to be my gggrandmother Sarah CROFTS in Chilvers Coton, and was somewhat disappointed to find that the person on the certificate wasn't the daughter of Sarah's known parents (her father was not named). However, I must compliment the Register office, who not only responded next day to my application, but have also refunded my payment. Of course, had I thought at the time, I might have asked for the certificate to be sent on anyway (and paid the fee), as I would then have found out where in Nuneaton the baby was born (and who her mother was), and perhaps discovered another little branch in my family tree! A little more preparation might have salvaged some results. Sarah and her husband George EVERITT have caused me quite a few headaches, as first they seem to disappear (unmarried) from the 1871 census, then in 1873 they get married miles away in Nottingham. My ggrandmother Elizabeth Alice was born in 1876 in Nuneaton, followed by her brother Thomas George in 1879 somewhere near Stockport, followed by Bertha Kate in 1882 back in Nuneaton. I can't find any record of George after 1881, and the last I see of Sarah is in 1901. A death certificate from 1915 turned out to be another Sarah EVERITT in Nuneaton, and my Sarah could well have lived beyond the end of the War (born mid-1840s), but as yet no positive hits in my searches. Keep up the good work! John Riley Bourne, Lincs ----- Original Message ---- From: Wendy Boland <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> To: JOHN RILEY <john.riley29@btopenworld.com>; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 August, 2007 11:52:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] [EVERITT-UK] Everitts in Warwickshire <<< I have relied heavily on the IGI for most of the pre-1800 ancestry, but am fairly confident of accuracy>>>> Hello Researchers. A word of caution. Always check the original whenever you can! The main problem with using the IGI alone is that you miss any burials. If you have the NBI and it covers the years you need, you may be able to confirm that people did not die as infants- that is if the age at burial was recorded. This is one of the reasons I am concentrating on the Burial records for FreeREG (when I get time) However, nothing beats trawling the PRs films- you get much more insight into the records. For example , you may come across a "dodgy" surname and realise that the person who wrote up the registers at this time period was barely literate and doing his best! ( I have seen marriage records where the couple had signed their names but the clerk had mis-spelt them - He also had atrocious writing). You may note a change of Incumbent - so realise why half a dozen children from one family are suddenly herded into church to be baptised on the same day ! You may note that name of a witness to a marriage that has puzzled you for ages was actually the churchwarden and witnessed a few dozen more marriages and is no relation to your lines at all! I must say that the IGI records from the "controlled extractions" are really very good, but I have found errors in them probably due to difficult handwriting -or faded pages . Any index will contain errors - some due to how the person has interpreted the original , others from typos and human error. ( It is interesting to note how a porrly written census record may be interpreted in several ways by different people- and who is to say at this stage which version is correct?) I rarely look at "Patron Submissions" or LDS member's contributions. on the IGI. Many of these seem to verge on fantasy. One trap for the unwary is to use the IGI as though it is a complete Index. Warwickshire is well covered for certain years but there are many gaps and omissions. You really should not add a name to your tree solely from the records found in the IGI without verification or evidence that Mr X from 40 miles away is your chap, based solely on finding a name and age that look right! Always check the original whenever you can! Good hunting Wendy Warwickshire FreeREG & 1841 & 1861 FreeCEN Coord www.hunimex.com/warwick

Wendy: > > I rarely look at "Patron Submissions" or LDS member's contributions. on > the IGI. > Many of these seem to verge on fantasy. > The patron submitted entries are only as good as the submitter, and obviously these vary widely. And many entries do appear to verge on fantasy, simply because of the LDS rule that a missing birth should be assumed to be 25 years before marriage for a man and 21 years for a woman. These are obviously nonsense. But you're definitely missing out if you ignore all patron entries. They sometimes cover gaps in the LDS controlled extraction programme. They also sometimes give cross references known from family records which are very hard to discover from parish registers - for example quoting both parents of a christening, with mother's maiden name; or the death of a married woman recorded under her maiden name. The advice about checking with the original where possible is particularly necessary for patron submitted entries, but don't ignore them - there are some real nuggets of gold there. Best wishes Paul Prescott