I assume you don't just mean what the spelling variants were (Issabel, Isabellah, etc.,), but what the diminutives, pet names, and variants sufficiently different to look like a different name, etc.. Alan Bardsley (First name Variants), which is where I always look to get some clues about what names to search for, gives nearly 250 related names, although many of them belong to the Elizabeth group, and his data are mainly drawn from the 1851 census, so may not be so relevant to usage in 1650-1700. George Redmond (Christian Names in Local and family History) writes that Ibot and Tibot were common for Isabel. I cannot trace the source now, but I'm sure I've read of evidence of a woman baptised Isabel and mentioned in a will as Sybil. I have a branch in my tree in which Isabel/Isobel was used quite frequently, and I have two of them baptised Isobel and married as Bella (fortunately they lived in different villages and their husbands had entirely different forenames, although one had the same surname as his wife!), one of whom subsequently reverted to Isobel when her children were baptised, and one baptised Isabell and married as Elizabella. (Sorting these families out was a nightmare!) They were baptised in the 1690s and married in the 1720s. There were cousins, etc., also called Isobel and with the same surname, so this may be why they used variant names. It's also possible that how they appeared in the register depended entirely on the predilection of the clergyman/clerk, whose hearing may not have been all that wonderful, and what is written in the register may not represent the name by which they were known. David Mary Jane Phillips-Matz wrote: > Does anyone know what the variants of "Isabel" and "Isabella" might have been in the period from 1650-1700? > Many thanks, > Mary Jane > -- David Franks, Cambridge, England Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html

The variations are many and varied - what's the context? Isabel - perhaps a Spanish/Portuguese variation on Elizabeth. Isabeau - earlier variation Ilsabeth - or Elizabeth Isobelle, Izabell, Isabell, Ysabel, Isbel, Isabela, Ysabeau, Isoboll, Ishbel, Isabeau. Ysbail - Welsh = consecrated to God Iseult Isolde - earlier form Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. >From: "Mary Jane Phillips-Matz" <images@ix.netcom.com> >To: <eng-lincsgen@rootsweb.com> >CC: Warwick@rootsweb.com, nottsgen@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WAR] Woman's name: Isabel >Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:54:49 -0500 > >Does anyone know what the variants of "Isabel" and "Isabella" might have >been in the period from 1650-1700? >Many thanks, >Mary Jane > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Jane Phillips-Matz wrote: > Does anyone know what the variants of "Isabel" and "Isabella" might > have been in the period from 1650-1700? I've seen it come up as Ysabelle (crossposting removed) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

Jacqui Simkins wrote: > An article in a recent "Ancestors" magazine suggests the DoVE > project is a year behind schedule. This puts launch at least a > year AFTER the FRC closure... The same article inferred that ONS > has problems with its vastly expensive computer system for > registrations. When will they ever learn by previous mistakes? Or > listen to what FHSs have told them? > > ONS has a lucrative income from selling copy certificates at £7 > each (much more per cert than in Scotland - where they do not seem > blighted by so many delays and computer system cock-ups!). > Colindale does not have access to this level of income; so yes, I > can see only a very small portion of their holdings being filmed > and made available...unless American big business moves in there, > too. It's a pity the law in England and Wales doesn't allow for the certs to be put online like they've been able to do for the Scottish ones. I'm sure they'd derive a far greater income if they did follow suit. The original plan (IIRC) was for the DoVE project to come on line this year. By now we all should have been making good use of the new indices. Last I heard was that they won't be partially available until the latter half of 2009, so well after the release of the 1911 census. No, I doubt they will learn. It's a great shame when American business steps in but it's not really all that surprising. Much as I'd prefer our records to be available on British sites, it's better that they are at least made available for so many to access (even if I can't). -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

An article in a recent "Ancestors" magazine suggests the DoVE project is a year behind schedule. This puts launch at least a year AFTER the FRC closure... The same article inferred that ONS has problems with its vastly expensive computer system for registrations. When will they ever learn by previous mistakes? Or listen to what FHSs have told them? ONS has a lucrative income from selling copy certificates at £7 each (much more per cert than in Scotland - where they do not seem blighted by so many delays and computer system cock-ups!). Colindale does not have access to this level of income; so yes, I can see only a very small portion of their holdings being filmed and made available...unless American big business moves in there, too. Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Boland To: JIM CLAY Cc: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:53 AM Subject: [WAR] Colindale Library closure SNIP <<< And I wonder how much of the collection will have been digitised/filmed by the time Colindale closes? The DoVE project has been mentioned. Do we think BL will do better? They labour under the same harsh financial constraints as TNA and ONS...>>>>>>> Thank you Jim http://www.bl.uk/news/2007/pressrelease20070301.html Press release everyone ought to read. http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/features/frontpage/save.html As I understand it Some newspapaers are in poor condition and are not available anyway. That is about 15% Another 19% are high risk and will be withdrawn from use - It is understood that approx 34% of the collection is already on microfilm or digital copies have been made. In less than 1% of cases neither the original document nor a copy is able to be supplied. (By the time the Library closes they will need to make digital copies of the rest to be able to provide the same level of service people enjoy now. Unlikely-due to lack of time / funding ) They hope to be able to assist readers by tracking down the material from another source - e.g. local libraries usually hold the town newspapers . The press release tells us the 100 employees will be found work elsewhere- great What they cannot replace is the knowledge these people have accumulated due to hands on experience. If digital access is eventually available online - wonderful - I would love that as it is unlikely I will ever get to London again in this lifetime. Wendy Warwick List Admin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 07/09/2007 16:40

SNIP <<< And I wonder how much of the collection will have been digitised/filmed by the time Colindale closes? The DoVE project has been mentioned. Do we think BL will do better? They labour under the same harsh financial constraints as TNA and ONS...>>>>>>> Thank you Jim http://www.bl.uk/news/2007/pressrelease20070301.html Press release everyone ought to read. http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/features/frontpage/save.html As I understand it Some newspapaers are in poor condition and are not available anyway. That is about 15% Another 19% are high risk and will be withdrawn from use - It is understood that approx 34% of the collection is already on microfilm or digital copies have been made. In less than 1% of cases neither the original document nor a copy is able to be supplied. (By the time the Library closes they will need to make digital copies of the rest to be able to provide the same level of service people enjoy now. Unlikely-due to lack of time / funding ) They hope to be able to assist readers by tracking down the material from another source - e.g. local libraries usually hold the town newspapers . The press release tells us the 100 employees will be found work elsewhere- great What they cannot replace is the knowledge these people have accumulated due to hands on experience. If digital access is eventually available online - wonderful - I would love that as it is unlikely I will ever get to London again in this lifetime. Wendy Warwick List Admin

Does anyone know what the variants of "Isabel" and "Isabella" might have been in the period from 1650-1700? Many thanks, Mary Jane

Michael McAllister wrote: > Does anyone know what is happening with the building itself? Nothing's been said and it's not likely that anything will be. There is speculation that the building will be sold off since central London property is expensive. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqui Simkins" <wesimkinsandson@btconnect.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:44 AM <snip... There are also plans, I believe, for Colindale to be closed...again with "promises" that material will be available in other formats. ...snip> Very firm plans, Jacqui. Colindale IS to close by 2012 The collection will be moved to a new storage facility (I imagine Boston Spa, W. Yorkshire) with digital and microfiche access provided at St Pancras - I await with bated breath the BL finding sufficient EXTRA space for the displaced family history newspaper researchers. And I wonder how much of the collection will have been digitised/filmed by the time Colindale closes? The DoVE project has been mentioned. Do we think BL will do better? They labour under the same harsh financial constraints as TNA and ONS... (There's an article on the Colindale closure in the Spring 2007 issue of the UK magazine Your Family Tree.) Jim

Does anyone know what is happening with the building itself? Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] ONS vacating FRC (was FreeBMD- helpers required urgently) > The Quineys wrote: > > >> Never having visited the FRC (pre-school children makes it a bit >> difficult!), I couldn't work out from the press releases what will be >> left at FRC if ONS take the BMD indexes/books to Kew. Can anyone >> enlighten me? > > Everything is going and the whole of the FRC building is being shut > completely from March next year. > > The GRO indices and the censuses will be available via terminals at Kew. > Woe for those who aren't confident on the machines. > > I managed to visit the FRC with one pre-school child (in a baby carrier) > and one disabled (in a child buggy), but it isn't easy. They've been there > a couple more times since. I want to make one more visit before the end of > October with my camera so that the children both have a photographic aide > memoire of the place. > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, SOM > >

The Quineys wrote: > Never having visited the FRC (pre-school children makes it a bit > difficult!), I couldn't work out from the press releases what will be > left at FRC if ONS take the BMD indexes/books to Kew. Can anyone > enlighten me? Everything is going and the whole of the FRC building is being shut completely from March next year. The GRO indices and the censuses will be available via terminals at Kew. Woe for those who aren't confident on the machines. I managed to visit the FRC with one pre-school child (in a baby carrier) and one disabled (in a child buggy), but it isn't easy. They've been there a couple more times since. I want to make one more visit before the end of October with my camera so that the children both have a photographic aide memoire of the place. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

There is a pdf on FRC website http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/frc/pdfs/fh_sources.pdf They have census, GRO Overseas, some death duty and probate material and divorce indexes on film/fiche. Much of this is accessible in other centres. To me, it was access to the Big Books that was useful on my few visits there!! And with the DOVE project seemingly not flying as projected <g> the entire thing seems to be heading into a similar state to that we had with 1901 census release! Although I am a computer user I am acutely aware there are a good many family history researchers who are not, and I personally believe they are being done a huge disservice by manual records (paper, fiche or film) being withdrawn. There are also plans, I believe, for Colindale to be closed...again with "promises" that material will be available in other formats. It is ironic that centres so popular with researchers are being closed down when the number of people researching their past is increasing; and more being encouraged to set out on their voyages of discovery by such programmes as the BBC's "Who do you think you are?" which starts a new series tonight in UK. Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: The Quineys To: Jacqui Simkins Cc: Wendy Boland ; warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] ONS vacating FRC (was FreeBMD- helpers required urgently) Thanks for that, Jacqui. I've now found and read the earlier press releases which gives more information. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070207.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070116.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news060711.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news060612.php http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/frc0107.pdf Never having visited the FRC (pre-school children makes it a bit difficult!), I couldn't work out from the press releases what will be left at FRC if ONS take the BMD indexes/books to Kew. Can anyone enlighten me? Heather Jacqui Simkins wrote: > *Yes: and the ground floor at FRC is closing at end of October 2007 so > no access to the Big Books...* > ** > *There is a news item on FFHS website > http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070725.php* > ** > *Jacqui* > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* The Quineys <mailto:pquiney@post.com> > *To:* Wendy Boland <mailto:wendy.boland@bigpond.com> > *Cc:* warwick@rootsweb.com <mailto:warwick@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [WAR] FreeBMD- helpers required urgently/FRC > > Hi Wendy > > Do I read this correctly as the FRC is closing next year??!! I > really > hope I've misread/misinterpretted this. > > Heather Q > > > > Wendy Boland wrote: > > The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers > photograph the BMD index pages > > is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to > its total closure next year. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: > 05/09/2007 14:55 > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 05/09/2007 14:55

Thanks for that, Jacqui. I've now found and read the earlier press releases which gives more information. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070207.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070116.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news060711.php http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news060612.php http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/frc0107.pdf Never having visited the FRC (pre-school children makes it a bit difficult!), I couldn't work out from the press releases what will be left at FRC if ONS take the BMD indexes/books to Kew. Can anyone enlighten me? Heather Jacqui Simkins wrote: > *Yes: and the ground floor at FRC is closing at end of October 2007 so > no access to the Big Books...* > ** > *There is a news item on FFHS website > http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070725.php* > ** > *Jacqui* > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* The Quineys <mailto:pquiney@post.com> > *To:* Wendy Boland <mailto:wendy.boland@bigpond.com> > *Cc:* warwick@rootsweb.com <mailto:warwick@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: [WAR] FreeBMD- helpers required urgently/FRC > > Hi Wendy > > Do I read this correctly as the FRC is closing next year??!! I > really > hope I've misread/misinterpretted this. > > Heather Q > > > > Wendy Boland wrote: > > The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers > photograph the BMD index pages > > is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to > its total closure next year. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: > 05/09/2007 14:55 >

The Quineys wrote: > Hi Wendy > > Do I read this correctly as the FRC is closing next year??!! I really > hope I've misread/misinterpretted this. The FRC is closing in March of next year but from November of this year access to the actual index volumes are be removed as they are going into storage in Christchurch, Hants. Howevr, there will still be access at Kew via terminals. This is being done in connection with the DoVE Project which now won't be available online until the end of 2009 at the earliest. The new indexes were originally scheduled for release this year.

Yes: and the ground floor at FRC is closing at end of October 2007 so no access to the Big Books... There is a news item on FFHS website http://www.ffhs.org.uk/news/news070725.php Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: The Quineys To: Wendy Boland Cc: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] FreeBMD- helpers required urgently/FRC Hi Wendy Do I read this correctly as the FRC is closing next year??!! I really hope I've misread/misinterpretted this. Heather Q Wendy Boland wrote: > The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers photograph the BMD index pages > is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to its total closure next year. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 05/09/2007 14:55

Hi Wendy Do I read this correctly as the FRC is closing next year??!! I really hope I've misread/misinterpretted this. Heather Q Wendy Boland wrote: > The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers photograph the BMD index pages > is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to its total closure next year.

G'day All http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips13/rescans.htm We have all made use of FreeBMDs and blessed the efforts of the hundreds of unknown volunteers but they need our help. The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers photograph the BMD index pages is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to its total closure next year. Bob Phillips who coordinates the volunteer photographers would like to take as many photographs as possible before it is too late. He is asking for anyone who is able to visit the FRC has digital camera and a steady hand to contact him please. Visit the above URL for further info and to find Bob's email details. Maybe some of us can spare a few minutes to help photograph a few pages of the index before access is denied. If 1 person can do 20 100 people can contribute 2000- let's unite and make a difference! Thank you Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin

Was going to volunteer but, altho I may have a digital camera, my hand is far from steady after years of tapping on a keyboard .... Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. OPC for Attleborough, WAR L&RFHS Member L 0243 NNWFHS Member 91 >From: "Wendy Boland" <wendy.boland@bigpond.com> >To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WAR] FreeBMD- helpers required urgently. >Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:49:56 +1000 > >G'day All >http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.phillips13/rescans.htm > >We have all made use of FreeBMDs and blessed the efforts of the hundreds of >unknown volunteers but they need our help. > >The Family Record Centre (FRC) in London where volunteers photograph the >BMD index pages > is removing access to the index books in a few months prior to its total >closure next year. > Bob Phillips who coordinates the volunteer photographers would like to >take as many >photographs as possible before it is too late. >He is asking for anyone who is able to visit the FRC has digital camera >and a steady hand to contact him please. > >Visit the above URL for further info and to find Bob's email details. > >Maybe some of us can spare a few minutes to help photograph a few pages of >the index before access is denied. > >If 1 person can do 20 >100 people can contribute 2000- let's unite and make a difference! > >Thank you >Wendy Boland >Warwick List Admin > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

Wayne, I can't help with modern photos but if you go to the Windows on Warwickshire and enter Leam Terrace in the search field you will find some period photos: http://www.windowsonwarwickshire.org.uk/default.asp Neil -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wayne S Sent: 02 September 2007 16:47 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Leamington Pictures In the 19th century many of my PEARSON ancestors lived on Leam Terrace East, Leamington, Warwick. I am hoping that someone from this list might live nearby and be able to take some pictures of various houses where they were resident. I can give you specific numbers and descriptions. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice Parishes, Devon Websites: http://www.cornwood-opc.com/ http://www.harford-opc.com/ http://www.plymptonstmary-opc.com/ http://www.plymptonstmaurice-opc.com/ Contact: Cornwood.OPC@shaw.ca Researching: In Devon - Shepheard, Carpenter, Crispin, Symons, Collins, Barrett In Warwick - Pearson, Davis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2 - Release Date: 01/09/2007 00:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2 - Release Date: 01/09/2007 00:00

In the 19th century many of my PEARSON ancestors lived on Leam Terrace East, Leamington, Warwick. I am hoping that someone from this list might live nearby and be able to take some pictures of various houses where they were resident. I can give you specific numbers and descriptions. Wayne Shepheard OPC for Cornwood, Harford, Plympton St. Mary & Plympton St. Maurice Parishes, Devon Websites: http://www.cornwood-opc.com/ http://www.harford-opc.com/ http://www.plymptonstmary-opc.com/ http://www.plymptonstmaurice-opc.com/ Contact: Cornwood.OPC@shaw.ca Researching: In Devon - Shepheard, Carpenter, Crispin, Symons, Collins, Barrett In Warwick - Pearson, Davis