Thanks Lewis, ... and yes, it wasn't until 1863 that Queen Victoria "released" all subjects over the age of 14 from mandatory two hours practice per day. But or should that be "butt" :) the question still remains regarding # 9 in St Mary UD . The family did live in Warwick at 20 Jury St, so I am curious about the former address. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Lewis Bates [mailto:lewbat@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 3:50 PM To: 'Gary Brookes' Subject: RE: [WAR] 9 The Butts St Mary UD "The Butts" many towns had a "Butts". This name was given to the place used for medieval archery target practice. -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brookes Sent: 10 September 2007 23:39 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] 9 The Butts St Mary UD Hi Listers, I have just found my father's birth certificate which states that he was born at this address in 1912. Can anyone tell me if this is a private residence, or a hospital of some nature.?? Regards, Gary in Vancouver ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 07/09/2007 16:40 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 07/09/2007 16:40 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.13.13/998 - Release Date: 9/10/2007 8:48 AM

Hi Listers, I have just found my father's birth certificate which states that he was born at this address in 1912. Can anyone tell me if this is a private residence, or a hospital of some nature.?? Regards, Gary in Vancouver

Hurray! Yes, a visit to New Register House is wonderful. You have your own space, if you look "lost" staff will soon be OFFERING to help; you can make wonderful progress in a couple of days...even just one if you don't stray from the "narrow path". Oh yes: a lesson to many establishments!!! And the initial leads were found on-line...when the site was first launched. Glad to know NRH is still operating the same way. Jacqui - still searching for those Scottish roots (well, the family always claimed to be Scottish "originally"...!) ----- Original Message ----- From: R L Young To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Colindale Library closure So I suppose that allows me to say what I think <grin>. When you cut out all the political rubbish about nationality (whatever that is all about), one of the few things going for "Scotland" (apart from it being a very nice place mostly) is its system of registration and access to records and certificates. Whilst "Scotland People" is some positive progress, a visit to new Register House and access to everything is exactly how it should be. Everyone could learn a lesson from this system, with the added bonus of the parents date and place of marriage on birth certificates. What a boon this is when tracing ancestors from Ireland who moved to Scotland when there are no equivalent Irish records. How sad the English system is, even worse the Irish (except for access to the 1911 census, but at least they are starting to do something about it.) If you go to New Register House there is NO cut off date, only on Scotland People, and at C£18 a day it is priceless, I could live in it permanently, but I need to work too..... Just how it should be.

I noticed the thread and realise this may be straying into the dangerous territory. My Parents both are "Scottish", I live in "Scotland", I was born in Oxford England so in England I am English, in Scotland I am English, (because I have an English accent) I always used to feel Scottish till I moved here, but now realise I am an Ulster Scot born in England, with an English Great Grand father who hid in Scotland as he deserted the Royal Navy in Montevideo. Not much going for me..... So I suppose that allows me to say what I think <grin>. When you cut out all the political rubbish about nationality (whatever that is all about), one of the few things going for "Scotland" (apart from it being a very nice place mostly) is its system of registration and access to records and certificates. Whilst "Scotland People" is some positive progress, a visit to new Register House and access to everything is exactly how it should be. Everyone could learn a lesson from this system, with the added bonus of the parents date and place of marriage on birth certificates. What a boon this is when tracing ancestors from Ireland who moved to Scotland when there are no equivalent Irish records. How sad the English system is, even worse the Irish (except for access to the 1911 census, but at least they are starting to do something about it.) If you go to New Register House there is NO cut off date, only on Scotland People, and at C£18 a day it is priceless, I could live in it permanently, but I need to work too..... Just how it should be. Scotland does not get many things right, as they are run by Politicians. Unfortunately some elements fought against the poll tax which led subsequently to some political turmoil at Westminster, no one yet has come up with anything better <grin> However, the smoking ban started here, what a transformation and are about to get rid of bridge tolls. So Scotland does have something to offer, shame about the Nationalist bit. So on the Family History front Scotland has a lot going for it, others (perhaps excluding the USA) have a lot to learn from here and a visit to New Register House is recommended to anyone with any ancestor who has lived or born married or died above the line of Hadrian's Wall. As we are all "British" anyway about time the 4 parts tried to come in line with the best parts of each system, not the worst, before Brussels puts a stop to it. I do not like paying for anything unnecessarily, and am not a fan of "pay per view". I do not mind paying for value added. So paying to visit New Register Rouse I happily accept, searching Scotland People becomes too expensive for what I want to do. Similarly "Find My Past" and "Ancestry" become too expensive as I really need both and cannot afford everything. As my Hobby is Family History, not just genealogy, I cannot get past the genealogy part, or family tree bit, which should be easy and next to free. If I could, I would happily spend a fortune on archives like wills and ancient records to take me really forward in my quest. I have been to Colindale library once and could spend years there, trouble is it is too far away and inaccessible. Most of the Country is disenfranchised of its use. Colindale is one of those places holding really valuable history. Most other locations would also be just as useless so Digitisation must be the way forward here, in the manner of "The London Gazette" I hope, but fear not. Our hobby has become a bit of a "cash cow", and we will only get what we want if someone is going to make a lot of money out of us, otherwise we are just a bunch of eccentric nuisances and we will get given bits of info, some sort of compromise suiting no one. The question was asked "Are they more efficient and speedier in Scotland or merely dealing with far less data?" The answer is both, but primarily the system is far more organised in Scotland. The volume is irrelevant, the resources in England are vastly superior and the economies of scale must suggest that either someone does not want us to have it, or just badly managed over many years. The money that must have been taken from people buying English and Welsh certificates, 1901 Census etc could have been ploughed into evolving the system instead of it being yet another another "Stealth Tax". When you think about it, you or your ancestors did not charge the Government for giving the information to them, they just charge you when you want it back <I know it is not as simple as that... grin> Lindsay Young -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: 09 September 2007 12:59 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WAR] Colindale Library closure ramaix wrote: > Are they more efficient and more speedy in Scotland or merely > dealing with far less data? I think you will find that in 1901 the > total population of Scotland was less than that of Inner London > alone! You buy blocks of units and can download the certs immediately. You don't have to send away for the older ones. So it's a lot easier to spend a *lot* of money on Scotlandspeople. I downloaded 8 in one evening and it cost me a lot less than the £56 it would have cost me for the same number of English/Welsh certs. They do have a cut off date which varies depending on whether it's births, marriages or deaths you want. There's also more information on Scottish certs than there is on English and Welsh. It's a great shame that the law as it currently stands doesn't allow for English and Welsh certs to be put online. Since we've wandered a bit here and I don't want Wendy jumping on my head from a great height (I've got enough probs with my spine atm), I'm not saying any more on the subject ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Jester2652 and David for such detailed replies to my post and for taking time to do so. Very much appreciated, Lynne.

The point of this query is what was happening in 1830. After the end of the Napoleonic wars in 1815 England was plunged into a time of great change. The end of the wars brought hardship, with bad harvests, increasing unemployment and soaring food prices. Many soldiers returned to find themselves unemployable. The 1820s saw riots throughout the country. This led to demands for change, culminating in further riots throughout the country in 1831 following the rejection of Russell's Reform Bill. These upheavals affected religious observances as well: Dissenters and Catholics could not hold office until the Test and Corporation Acts were passed in 1828 and the Catholic Emancipation Bill in 1829. Naturally there were those who did not approve of the emancipation of Dissenters and Catholics, and this was manifested by many 'Declarations of Loyalty to the Church of England'. David ldo ldo wrote: > I have found several mentions of my GG Uncle George > OSMOND, and others, in the Coventry Archives online > catalogue, "Corporators and Coroners declarations of > Loyalty to the Church of England". This would be early > to mid 1830's. Can anyone explain this to me please? > Thank you, Lynne. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- David Franks, Cambridge, England Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html

David Franks (OPC) wrote: > This page worked fine for me, and I use Firefox, so the site is not an > IE-only site. Hugh told me off list to use IE with cookies enabled. Still it doesn't matter. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

This page worked fine for me, and I use Firefox, so the site is not an IE-only site. David hugh wrote: > Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, > check to see if details are correct. > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html > > Click in submit field and put your name in > > If incorrect, email me please with correct information > > We have reached the 10000 mark in surname entries... > -- David Franks, Cambridge, England Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html

Roy and Betty Mullett wrote: > Worked fine for me. Michael McAllister wrote: > Worked fine with me too! Probably because you're both using IE which I don't and the site is IE only. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

ramaix wrote: > Are they more efficient and more speedy in Scotland or merely > dealing with far less data? I think you will find that in 1901 the > total population of Scotland was less than that of Inner London > alone! You buy blocks of units and can download the certs immediately. You don't have to send away for the older ones. So it's a lot easier to spend a *lot* of money on Scotlandspeople. I downloaded 8 in one evening and it cost me a lot less than the £56 it would have cost me for the same number of English/Welsh certs. They do have a cut off date which varies depending on whether it's births, marriages or deaths you want. There's also more information on Scottish certs than there is on English and Welsh. It's a great shame that the law as it currently stands doesn't allow for English and Welsh certs to be put online. Since we've wandered a bit here and I don't want Wendy jumping on my head from a great height (I've got enough probs with my spine atm), I'm not saying any more on the subject ;)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

BUT ....they are also more efficient!! <grin> Ann Cairns,Australia (Ex Edinburgh) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.10/995 - Release Date: 8/09/2007 1:24 PM

Hugh Is there a way that I can check ALL my entries at one go in one place? At the moment I can only seem to check on individual surnames and that take a long time!! Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. >From: hugh <hugh@xtra.co.nz> >To: list <warwick@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WAR] Warwickshire Surnames List >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:20:53 +1200 > >Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, >check to see if details are correct. >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html > >Click in submit field and put your name in > >If incorrect, email me please with correct information > >We have reached the 10000 mark in surname entries... >-- >hugh >papatoetoe, new zealand >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw >http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Kopuru

Barry Hedges, Eric Beresford and David Franks Thank you for the online transcriptions for Whichford Parish Much appreciated!!!!! Cliff Ilton

Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, check to see if details are correct. http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html Click in submit field and put your name in If incorrect, email me please with correct information We have reached the 10000 mark in surname entries... -- hugh papatoetoe, new zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw http://www.werelate.org/wiki/User:Kopuru

Worked fine with me too! Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy and Betty Mullett" <rbmullett@shaw.ca> To: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk>; <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Surnames List > Worked fine for me. > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> > To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Surnames List > > >> hugh wrote: >>> Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, >>> check to see if details are correct. >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html >> >> Whilst I can get the link to open, every time I click to check >> surnames or add mine, I get an error message say that my "session has >> timed out or [I] don't have cookies enabled". I do have cookies >> enabled but I don't use IE as my browser. >> >> -- >> Charani (UK) >> OPC for Walton, SOM >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Based on a google search... King Henry VIII took control of the church due to conflicts between the catholic church and government. This created the Church of England under the Act of Supremacy 1534 and King Henry made himself the supreme head of the Church of England which gave himself and any future King/Queen ultimate control. When he did this, persons appointed to government and religious positions had to take an oath declaring their loyalty to the Church of England in that they would maintain the protestant religion that was established by law. --- ldo ldo <ct65as@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have found several mentions of my GG Uncle George > OSMOND, and others, in the Coventry Archives online > catalogue, "Corporators and Coroners declarations of > Loyalty to the Church of England". This would be early > to mid 1830's. Can anyone explain this to me please? > Thank you, Lynne. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Genealogy - connecting family trees http://genfam.com/FAMILY/index2.html Join the Genfam Newsletter and get the lastest links, databases, events and more delivered to you every month. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

Are they more efficient and more speedy in Scotland or merely dealing with far less data? I think you will find that in 1901 the total population of Scotland was less than that of Inner London alone! MAR in France. > Message du 08/09/07 11:25 > De : "Jacqui Simkins" > A : "Wendy Boland" , "JIM CLAY" > Copie à : warwick@rootsweb.com > Objet : Re: [WAR] Colindale Library closure > > An article in a recent "Ancestors" magazine suggests the DoVE project is a year behind schedule. This puts launch at least a year AFTER the FRC closure... The same article inferred that ONS has problems with its vastly expensive computer system for registrations. When will they ever learn by previous mistakes? Or listen to what FHSs have told them? > > ONS has a lucrative income from selling copy certificates at £7 each (much more per cert than in Scotland - where they do not seem blighted by so many delays and computer system cock-ups!). Colindale does not have access to this level of income; so yes, I can see only a very small portion of their holdings being filmed and made available...unless American big business moves in there, too. > > Jacqui > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wendy Boland > To: JIM CLAY > Cc: warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:53 AM > Subject: [WAR] Colindale Library closure > > > SNIP <<< And I wonder how much of the collection will > have been digitised/filmed by the time Colindale closes? The DoVE project > has been mentioned. Do we think BL will do better? They labour under the > same harsh financial constraints as TNA and ONS...>>>>>>> > > Thank you Jim > > http://www.bl.uk/news/2007/pressrelease20070301.html > > Press release everyone ought to read. > > http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/features/frontpage/save.html > > As I understand it > Some newspapaers are in poor condition and are not available anyway. > That is about 15% > Another 19% are high risk and will be withdrawn from use - > > It is understood that approx 34% of the collection is already on microfilm or digital copies have been made. > > In less than 1% of cases neither the original document nor a copy is able to be supplied. > > (By the time the Library closes they will need to make digital copies of the rest to be able to provide the same level of service people enjoy now. > > Unlikely-due to lack of time / funding ) > > They hope to be able to assist readers by tracking down the material from another source - e.g. local libraries usually hold the town newspapers . > > The press release tells us the 100 employees will be found work elsewhere- great > > What they cannot replace is the knowledge these people have accumulated due to hands on experience. > > If digital access is eventually available online - wonderful - I would love that as it is unlikely I will ever get to London again in this lifetime. > > Wendy > Warwick List Admin > > > > > ----------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.9/994 - Release Date: 07/09/2007 16:40 > >--- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > maraix

I have found several mentions of my GG Uncle George OSMOND, and others, in the Coventry Archives online catalogue, "Corporators and Coroners declarations of Loyalty to the Church of England". This would be early to mid 1830's. Can anyone explain this to me please? Thank you, Lynne.

hugh wrote: > Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, > check to see if details are correct. > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html Whilst I can get the link to open, every time I click to check surnames or add mine, I get an error message say that my "session has timed out or [I] don't have cookies enabled". I do have cookies enabled but I don't use IE as my browser. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM

Worked fine for me. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Surnames List > hugh wrote: >> Can everyone who may have a listing in the Warwickshire Surnames List, >> check to see if details are correct. >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/warwick.html > > Whilst I can get the link to open, every time I click to check > surnames or add mine, I get an error message say that my "session has > timed out or [I] don't have cookies enabled". I do have cookies > enabled but I don't use IE as my browser. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, SOM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message