Jeff had asked List Admin for permission to post these snippets of interest and some will be general topics - others with a Warwickshire link. I am happy for him to do so unless the MAJORITY of subscribers protest- OFF List . If you don't want to read them then delete the message. After all the List is very quiet these days and we need something to stir up some discussion or keep us reading. I have tried several times to begin topics which I hoped would be helpful and I am running out of ideas and energy. If the only messages we receive are lookup requests or surname interest posts then the List will become moribund. If anyone else has a topic they would like to see discussed then I am happy to listen to your ideas and act on them. I will even post the message or question on your behalf if you are shy like me. <grin> This is your List and you can contribute or not but if we all sit back doing nowt then it will become dead boring. Wendy Boland Warwick List Admin Apologies if I missed something really obvious here, but what has this to do with Warwickshire Genealogy? Neil

Thanks so much for your helpful suggestions. As mentioned, I'm a beginner in this area. I've been chasing my paternal branch of the family around Northern Ireland - and coming up with blank walls! I do know that Luke Ballard came to NZ on one of the early ships, the Bombay, in 1865, (age given as 25) with Elizabeth Ballard (24), Matthew Ballard (3) and Leah Ballard (1), so I will do a bit more searching and see if I can come up with any dates that tie in with his death. From these ages his birth date would have been c 1840. The Luke Ballard in Drury is the one I am trying to tie in, because that is where my g-grandparents got married. George Ballard in Buckland is my g-grandfather. He eventually retired to Mt Eden, and died 18 August 1921 (buried at Purewa cemetery). George Ballard's father was Joseph Ballard. He was married to Elizabeth Weetman I believe. He died in Atherstone 19 April 1853. I have three sons of this marriage - George (b 1844), Joseph (b 1846) and John (b 1848). Joseph (senior's) parents were William Ballard and Alice (?) I believe. Thanks again for your assistance. Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ

Karen Have already checked 1851 and 1861 Census - George's Father was Joseph born c1818 in Coventry , but no Luke appears as a sibling. In fact very few Luke BALLARDs in whole Index. If you would like the Census Images happy to send them ! I think you need to check the Coventry P R's , its possible Joseph had a brother Luke and it was he who emigrated to NZ originally . Relooking at Index , think death of Luke BALLARD in 1908 , may be his father , another Luke died c 1935 both in Auckland area. Helen NZ _____ From: Brenda Pilson [mailto:brendapilson@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:01 p.m. To: Helen Verrall Subject: Re: [WAR] Ballard Family Hi, I don't know if you've already got this but maybe something might be useful. George Ballard married Maria Nurse September quarter 1867 in Atherstone district 6d page 413. Google freebdm, when you open the page do NOT put the name in the box at the top of the page (advertisement for Ancestry) but scroll down to where it says search BDM and go from there. Certificates from UK cost 7 pounds and can be purchased online from the government website. Their office is in the Liverpool area, maybe Southport from memory. Have you any parents name for George? Check for George with his parents in 1851 and 1861 census and possibly Luke could be a brother. Check for George with Maria in 1871, 1881 & 1891 to see if they are still in Uk. If they are missing from say 1881 still try 1891 as sometimes names are not spelt correctly or are missed in the index. My relations from Liverpool were in most census but missing in one so I used neighbours names from previous ones and they were still there just not in the index. Did George arrive in NZ with his children? His wife could have died on the ship on the way to NZ. Ancestry have all the census for England online but it costs quite a bit for a subscription. A much cheaper solution is to see which of your local libraries has Ancestry available and use it there. Regards Brenda ----- Original Message ---- From: Helen Verrall <hverrall@ihug.co.nz> To: A & K Hitchcock <hitch.nz@xtra.co.nz> Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 8:44:39 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Ballard Family Sorry hit send before altering spelling ! Should be - BALLARD George Farmer Pukekohe E. Helen NZ -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A & K Hitchcock Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:54 a.m. Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Ballard Family Good morning I'm new to research in this area. I have my g-grandfather George Ballard B 1844 Chilver Coton, Warwickshire, who was married to Maria Nurse and had 6 offspring - Rosa, Ada, George, Caroline, Horace and Ethel. Maria died (not sure where) and he left the UK and came to NZ, where he subsequently married my g-grandmother Mary Munro (nee White) on 1 February 1893. George and Mary were married at Luke Ballard's home here. I am trying to find out what relation/connection he has with George. Suggestions would be welcome. Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. Get it now <http://au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/default_all/storage/*http:/au.docs.yah oo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html> .

Taken from the Illustrated London News Dec; 7 1872 On Saturday last the long-talked of football game England v Scotland was played on the West of Scotland Cricket Ground, at Partick near Glasgow. It was the first match of any importance ever played in Scotland under the Association rules, and attracted a very large number of spectators. The play throughout was brilliant in the extreme; and though the English team, which was much the heavier, had perhaps a little the best of the game. no decisive advantage was gained by either side, and the proceedings ended in a draw.The forward play of J. Weir, on the Scotch side, and the magnificent dribbling of C.J.Ottaway, the English captain, deserve especial mention. We append the names of the two elevens. England----C. J. Ottaway (captain Oxford University) C. J.Chenery ( Crystal Palace) J. C. Clegg ( Sheffield) E. H. Greenhalgh ( Notts) F. M.Chappell (Oxford Uni) C.J.Morice ( Barnes Club) R.C. Welch ( Wanderers) W. J.Maynard (1st Surrey Rifles) R. Barker ( Hertforshire Rangers ) A.Kirke-Smith ( Oxford Uni) and J. Brockbank (Cambridge Uni) Scotland------ R. W. Gardner (captain) J. J.Thomson and W. Ker (Granville) J. Weir, J. Taylor, R. Leckie, W. M' Kinnon, A. Rhind, D. Wotherspoon (Queen's Park), and J. Smith and R. Smith (South Norwood)

Sorry hit send before altering spelling ! Should be - BALLARD George Farmer Pukekohe E. Helen NZ -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A & K Hitchcock Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:54 a.m. Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Ballard Family Good morning I'm new to research in this area. I have my g-grandfather George Ballard B 1844 Chilver Coton, Warwickshire, who was married to Maria Nurse and had 6 offspring - Rosa, Ada, George, Caroline, Horace and Ethel. Maria died (not sure where) and he left the UK and came to NZ, where he subsequently married my g-grandmother Mary Munro (nee White) on 1 February 1893. George and Mary were married at Luke Ballard's home here. I am trying to find out what relation/connection he has with George. Suggestions would be welcome. Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen I located a Luke BALLARD born 1876 in Auckland , died c 1908 ( date from Probate ) a Farmer of Epsom. Perhaps Luke and George were cousins, in the Index I was reading there was an earlier Luke BALLARD, but does not give dates or state whether father of Luke (1876 ). In 1890 P O Directory of NZ - Lists BALLARD George Farmer, Buckland BALLARD " " Tuckahoe E. BALLARD Luke Farmer Drury. All the Best Helen NZ -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of A & K Hitchcock Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 6:54 a.m. Cc: WARWICK@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Ballard Family Good morning I'm new to research in this area. I have my g-grandfather George Ballard B 1844 Chilver Coton, Warwickshire, who was married to Maria Nurse and had 6 offspring - Rosa, Ada, George, Caroline, Horace and Ethel. Maria died (not sure where) and he left the UK and came to NZ, where he subsequently married my g-grandmother Mary Munro (nee White) on 1 February 1893. George and Mary were married at Luke Ballard's home here. I am trying to find out what relation/connection he has with George. Suggestions would be welcome. Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've just joined you because I'm hoping some Warwickshire experts can help uncover more about an intriguing letter I have found, written by 'Maria' to her friend, Betsy Richards. It was written on May 8th 1758, and addressed to her at 'Mr Blockleys Locksmith in Bull Street, Birmingham. Turn at Coleshill'. I have found refs to Thomas Blockley at 61 Bull Street, (1708 - 1788) a celebrated locksmith who supplied locks for Robert Adam and others. He had a son, also Thomas, who took over from him. I hate to start with a look-up request, but if anyone has access to Timmins, The Streets and Inhabitants of Birmingham in 1770, I think it may mention him, and his family. The letter is long and full of local gossip. It mentions two events in 1758 - the opening of Vauxhall Gardens and the appointment of 'young Edwards as Master of the Free School and Rector of St Johns'. I found a matching entry for Thomas Edwards in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography. (happy to do any look-ups there) confirming he was made Master of the Free School in Coventry in 1758. There are other people mentioned in the letter - an ardent young man called Lucius, is one! Hope someone can shed some light. SUE.

I spotted the following in the Ilfracombe Chronicle and North Devon News of Saturday, 1 January 1887. Carol At Nuneaton, Edward YARDLEY, Frederick EDWARDS, and Joseph STRINGER pleaded guilty the other day to stealing cherry brandy and cigars, valued £9 18s., from Oldbury Hall, Warwickshire, the residence of Mr William HUNTINGDON. The articles were stolen from the store-room in the family's absence. STRINGER was sentenced to one and YARDLEY to three months' hard labour. EDWARDS, whose age was only 14 years, was let off with one day's imprisonment.

Good morning I'm new to research in this area. I have my g-grandfather George Ballard B 1844 Chilver Coton, Warwickshire, who was married to Maria Nurse and had 6 offspring - Rosa, Ada, George, Caroline, Horace and Ethel. Maria died (not sure where) and he left the UK and came to NZ, where he subsequently married my g-grandmother Mary Munro (nee White) on 1 February 1893. George and Mary were married at Luke Ballard's home here. I am trying to find out what relation/connection he has with George. Suggestions would be welcome. Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ

Apologies if I missed something really obvious here, but what has this to do with Warwickshire Genealogy? Neil ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Butler <pateena@iprimus.com.au> To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 4:49:44 AM Subject: [WAR] England v Scotland football game 1872 Taken from the Illustrated London News Dec; 7 1872 On Saturday last the long-talked of football game England v Scotland was played on the West of Scotland Cricket Ground, at Partick near Glasgow. It was the first match of any importance ever played in Scotland under the Association rules, and attracted a very large number of spectators. The play throughout was brilliant in the extreme; and though the English team, which was much the heavier, had perhaps a little the best of the game. no decisive advantage was gained by either side, and the proceedings ended in a draw.The forward play of J. Weir, on the Scotch side, and the magnificent dribbling of C.J.Ottaway, the English captain, deserve especial mention. We append the names of the two elevens. England----C. J. Ottaway (captain Oxford University) C. J.Chenery ( Crystal Palace) J. C. Clegg ( Sheffield) E. H. Greenhalgh ( Notts) F. M.Chappell (Oxford Uni) C.J.Morice ( Barnes Club) R.C. Welch ( Wanderers) W. J.Maynard (1st Surrey Rifles) R. Barker ( Hertforshire Rangers ) A.Kirke-Smith ( Oxford Uni) and J. Brockbank (Cambridge Uni) Scotland------ R. W. Gardner (captain) J. J.Thomson and W. Ker (Granville) J. Weir, J. Taylor, R. Leckie, W. M' Kinnon, A. Rhind, D. Wotherspoon (Queen's Park), and J. Smith and R. Smith (South Norwood) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe someone will find a relative among the names and it will be of some help to them. Betty Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Grantham" <neil40@btinternet.com> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] England v Scotland football game 1872 > Apologies if I missed something really obvious here, but what has this to > do with Warwickshire Genealogy? > > Neil > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jeff Butler <pateena@iprimus.com.au> > To: warwick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, 9 October, 2007 4:49:44 AM > Subject: [WAR] England v Scotland football game 1872 > > > Taken from the Illustrated London News Dec; 7 1872 > On Saturday last the long-talked of football game England v Scotland was > played on the West of Scotland Cricket Ground, at Partick near Glasgow. It > was the first match of any importance ever played in Scotland under the > Association rules, and attracted a very large number of spectators. The > play throughout was brilliant in the extreme; and though the English team, > which was much the heavier, had perhaps a little the best of the game. no > decisive advantage was gained by either side, and the proceedings ended in > a draw.The forward play of J. Weir, on the Scotch side, and the > magnificent dribbling of C.J.Ottaway, the English captain, deserve > especial mention. We append the names of the two elevens. > England----C. J. Ottaway (captain Oxford University) C. J.Chenery ( > Crystal Palace) J. C. Clegg ( Sheffield) E. H. Greenhalgh ( Notts) F. > M.Chappell (Oxford Uni) C.J.Morice ( Barnes Club) R.C. Welch ( Wanderers) > W. J.Maynard (1st Surrey Rifles) R. Barker ( Hertforshire Rangers ) > A.Kirke-Smith ( Oxford Uni) and J. Brockbank (Cambridge Uni) > Scotland------ R. W. Gardner (captain) J. J.Thomson and W. Ker (Granville) > J. Weir, J. Taylor, R. Leckie, W. M' Kinnon, A. Rhind, D. Wotherspoon > (Queen's Park), and J. Smith and R. Smith (South Norwood) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet Yes I know Vicarage Road, I was born very close to it. It would have been new in 1901, it cannot be found on a 1889 map. The houses along would be up-market, not the top range but for a genteel class. Good solid built Victorian properties. The road itself is a cul-de-sac. It used to be tree-lined.On foot you can get right through but not by vehicle. When I was at senior school we had to pass along it to get to our sports fields. I will be out and about tomorrow, so will try for a photo for you. If you have Google Earth it shows up quite well on there. Regards Bob Mawby Rugby (UK) On 8 Oct 2007 at 17:49, Janet Ellis wrote: > Hello all > > > > I wonder if someone local can tell me a little about a house in Rugby in > Vicarage Road called 'Wyndham Villa'. I would like to know what sort of > house this was; was it an ordinary house or a bit grander? The > occupants of the house, Edward James Pollard and his wife, Annie Bird > lived there in 1901 with one servant. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Janet > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all I wonder if someone local can tell me a little about a house in Rugby in Vicarage Road called 'Wyndham Villa'. I would like to know what sort of house this was; was it an ordinary house or a bit grander? The occupants of the house, Edward James Pollard and his wife, Annie Bird lived there in 1901 with one servant. Kind regards Janet

Hi I was wondering if anyone was researching the family of Charles and Ann Price who lived at Milverton from the mid 1850s to 1881. Charles Price was born at Presteigne in Radnorshire and married Ann Kington in Grendon Bishop in May 1844. They moved to Leominster where they had 4 children ( two of whom I think died as they were not with them on the 1861 census). They then moved to Milverton where they had a further 5 children - a further two died - leaving just 5 children in all. The children who lived are Thomas 1848, Charles 1850, Eliza 1851, Emma 1853 and John 1857. In the 1861 census they were living at 5 Alma Terrace, Milverton Charles was a gardener. In 1871 they lived at Rugby Road Cottages, Milverton. Charles was again a gardener but was listed as being deaf. By 1881 Ann was a widow and was living on her own at 8 Cross Lane, Milvington and is listed as being a Lodging House Keeper. Thomas is listed on the 1871 as being a Whitesmith Charles is a Builder's Clerk. I would be interested in hearing from anyone else who is researching this family. Eveline

I wanted to thank Carole and Constance for their generous help in finding my Coventry born George Dowse at Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum, Stratford Le Bow St Mary in the 1891 census ... I forgot that many times patients and inmates of institutions were only listed by initials! G.D. age 56, born Warwickshire, Ref: RG12; Piece: 318; Folio 74; Page 15 I found out that George Dowse was in the 1st Battalion 60th Foot (King's Royal Rifle Corps) and was awarded the Indian Mutiny Medal (1857-59) for his service at the relief of Meerut and Dehli. Now all I have to do is see if I can track down his service records to find out how and why he wound up in Millbank Prison and eventually, Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum. Paul Stringer Washington DC USA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Does anyone have information on SPENCER families in or near Coventry in the 1790s? They may have been grocers or bakers. Many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips

Hello Paul I think I have found your man on the 1891 census still as an inmate at Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum, which is now under Stratford Le Bow St Mary as follows: G.D. age 56, born Warwickshire, Ref: RG12; Piece: 318; Folio 74; Page 15 I found him on ancestry.co.uk using the search criteria London, Bow then chosing INMATE as the relationship to head and I also remembered that sometimes they only listed the inmates of asylums & workhouses by initial. Regards Carole MANIC46@aol.com wrote: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:21 EDT George Dowse (one of my 2nd great grand uncles on dad's side) was born in Coventry in 1836 to Nathaniel Dowse and Martha Elson (3x great grandparents). Sometime in the late 1850s or early 1860s he must have joined the Army because the next hints I have of him are in the 1871 census in London, St. George Hanover Square, St. John Westminster, Millbank Prison where he's shown as military prisoner/ soldier and in the 1881 census at Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum, Fairfield Rd, Bow, London, Middlesex, England where he's shown as patient/ soldier. I have reason to think he died in 1900 at the age of 63, the death registered in Poplar. I've searched for him in the 1891 census, but no joy. If someone has better access to the 1891 census of Grove Hall than I have, could they find George for me and send me the details? Thanks Paul Stringer Washington DC --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

Hi Jeff Which paper did this come from? Regards Bob Mawby Rugby (UK) On 6 Oct 2007 at 14:56, Jeff Butler wrote: > Article from a paper in 1872 > > The gas was rather low in private houses on Monday evening,and the occupants abused the companies for some time, but the arrival of the Pall Mall Gazette explained that this time the fault was not with them.The stokers of certain companies had struck, without notice or reason,and we were invited to be economical,in the interest of the streets. This movement will have to be dealt with in a decisive way. The men brag that they can, if united, put London into darkness. In that case the roughs and thieves, whose deadliest foe is the gas-lamp,will have all their own way, and the stokers will be their accomplices in crime. Now we concede a good deal to our flesh and blood, but the whole magnificent system of street illumination is not to be put out of gear because a number of ignorant coke-stokers have a grievance, or are told by delegates that there is one. The labour, being of the coarsest and easiest kind, may easily be performed, and there are hosts of men who will be glad ! to! > undertake it; but arrangements cannot be made in an hour, and in a single winter night of darkness, wilfully caused,with notice duly given to scoundrelism, the most outrageous things be done.Society has a perfect right to protect itself against a malicious conspiracy to throw it into disorder. Somebody should endeavour to make the stupid stokes understand that the public would consider them criminals, were they not ignorant . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Article from a paper in 1872 The gas was rather low in private houses on Monday evening,and the occupants abused the companies for some time, but the arrival of the Pall Mall Gazette explained that this time the fault was not with them.The stokers of certain companies had struck, without notice or reason,and we were invited to be economical,in the interest of the streets. This movement will have to be dealt with in a decisive way. The men brag that they can, if united, put London into darkness. In that case the roughs and thieves, whose deadliest foe is the gas-lamp,will have all their own way, and the stokers will be their accomplices in crime. Now we concede a good deal to our flesh and blood, but the whole magnificent system of street illumination is not to be put out of gear because a number of ignorant coke-stokers have a grievance, or are told by delegates that there is one. The labour, being of the coarsest and easiest kind, may easily be performed, and there are hosts of men who will be glad to undertake it; but arrangements cannot be made in an hour, and in a single winter night of darkness, wilfully caused,with notice duly given to scoundrelism, the most outrageous things be done.Society has a perfect right to protect itself against a malicious conspiracy to throw it into disorder. Somebody should endeavour to make the stupid stokes understand that the public would consider them criminals, were they not ignorant .

Hello Paul I had a look on ancestry.co.uk for your George Dowse on the 1891 census but no luck. I see that on the 1881 census Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum has a seperate enumeration district but I can find it easily on the 1891. Do you have a ref number for it? When I haven't been able to find a particular address on a cenus I have sent an email to the National Archives at the Family Records Centre here in London asking for the reference nos with the name of the person that I am trying to find. They have always been very helpful, supplying me with the ref nos and even finding my ancestor for me. If you like I could send an email on your behalf of send you their contact details. Regards Carole Moon PS: I have ancestors from East London so I do have a little knowledge of the area & archives MANIC46@aol.com wrote: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:34:21 EDT George Dowse (one of my 2nd great grand uncles on dad's side) was born in Coventry in 1836 to Nathaniel Dowse and Martha Elson (3x great grandparents). Sometime in the late 1850s or early 1860s he must have joined the Army because the next hints I have of him are in the 1871 census in London, St. George Hanover Square, St. John Westminster, Millbank Prison where he's shown as military prisoner/ soldier and in the 1881 census at Grove Hall Lunatic Asylum, Fairfield Rd, Bow, London, Middlesex, England where he's shown as patient/ soldier. I have reason to think he died in 1900 at the age of 63, the death registered in Poplar. I've searched for him in the 1891 census, but no joy. If someone has better access to the 1891 census of Grove Hall than I have, could they find George for me and send me the details? Thanks Paul Stringer --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.