Hi all, I'm new to this list so be gentle with me! just to comment on this - My Mother was baptised Peggy - not a Margaret in sight. I also know a Margaret who is usually called Meg or Miggs. -- Regards, Peter Hirons (Family roots in Long Lawford - Parish of Newbold upon Avon) > Although Polly was most often used as a pet name for Mary, including > Mary Ann, it could be used for any of the Mary names (such as > Marion/Marian) and another common formation was Molly. It is not > restricted to Mary Ann (indeed Polly Ann can be found, baptised Mary > Ann). Similarly Meg or Peg or Peggy was usually a pet name for > Margaret, but might also be used for any of the Marg names, such as > Maisie or Marjorie. There is an interesting discussion of these issues > in George Redmond's book 'Christian names in Local and Family History', > in which he warns against assuming a 'proper' name from a 'pet name', > citing one Betty who was baptised Elizabeth and another baptised > Beatrice, belonging to a quite different name group (and many other > examples). This doesn't matter when you have the kind of evidence that > Gus has, but it can obviously mislead if, for example, you have a > servant Molly xxxx in a census and start searching for the xxxx females > in baptism registers, and disregard all except the Mary Anns, because > you believe that Polly is only a pet name for Mary Ann. > > However, Gus, you're obviously quite safe in this instance. > > David

I have this week discovered that my husband's great Uncle John Gower married a Gertrude M Teague in Worcester in 1914 and that they then moved to Coventry where he was a Works Foreman (according to the marriage certificate). John's address on the certificate was 74 Princess Street, Coventry. I have found 2 children from this marriage Gertrude M Gower born 1915 and John Gower born 1917 I was wondering if anyone had these names in their family tree. Regards Eveline

I had two aunts both called Annice. The elder was known as Nancy and the younger as Cis. Neither of them was ever called by the obvious ..... Ann. Pam T

Although Polly was most often used as a pet name for Mary, including Mary Ann, it could be used for any of the Mary names (such as Marion/Marian) and another common formation was Molly. It is not restricted to Mary Ann (indeed Polly Ann can be found, baptised Mary Ann). Similarly Meg or Peg or Peggy was usually a pet name for Margaret, but might also be used for any of the Marg names, such as Maisie or Marjorie. There is an interesting discussion of these issues in George Redmond's book 'Christian names in Local and Family History', in which he warns against assuming a 'proper' name from a 'pet name', citing one Betty who was baptised Elizabeth and another baptised Beatrice, belonging to a quite different name group (and many other examples). This doesn't matter when you have the kind of evidence that Gus has, but it can obviously mislead if, for example, you have a servant Molly xxxx in a census and start searching for the xxxx females in baptism registers, and disregard all except the Mary Anns, because you believe that Polly is only a pet name for Mary Ann. However, Gus, you're obviously quite safe in this instance. David Gus Tysoe wrote: > Many thanks to Jacqui & Carole for telling me that my guessed reading was > actually right! [I don't have an A-Z of Coventry, and felt that any street > with 38 or more Courts would be likely to've been demolished in a slum > clearance decades ago!] > > But this Family is continuing to cause 'difficulties' - because on comparing > the result with the 1881, they'd seem to've changed one of their daughters' > names... > > In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - > but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. > > Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? > > Gus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- David Franks, Cambridge, England Researching Castle and Tallis, Warwickshire and Oxfordshire, and Thomas Castle, convict transported to Van Diemen’s Land Warwickshire Online Parish Clerks http://www.hunimex.com/warwick/opc/opc.html

Yes!! My gran was Mary...Aunty Polly to all the cousins! Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: Gus Tysoe To: warwick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [WAR] A Nickname - and Coventry Street Name [continued] Many thanks to Jacqui & Carole for telling me that my guessed reading was actually right! [I don't have an A-Z of Coventry, and felt that any street with 38 or more Courts would be likely to've been demolished in a slum clearance decades ago!] But this Family is continuing to cause 'difficulties' - because on comparing the result with the 1881, they'd seem to've changed one of their daughters' names... In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: 10/11/2007 15:47

Gus: > I don't have an A-Z of Coventry, and felt that any street > with 38 or more Courts would be likely to've been demolished in a slum > clearance decades ago! There's good street maps on-line. My favourite is ViaMichelin at http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/tpl/hme/MaHomePage.htm which has excellent maps at various scales, but there's also Streetmap at http://www.streetmap.co.uk/, Multimap at http://www.multimap.com/ and Google maps at http://maps.google.co.uk/ If you google for "Much Park Street" there's plenty of references, and some nice pictures at http://www.historiccoventry.co.uk/nowandthen/much-pk-st.php. There's also a good range of historic maps of Coventry there. > Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? Yes. Regards Paul Prescott

Gus Tysoe wrote: > But this Family is continuing to cause 'difficulties' - because on comparing > the result with the 1881, they'd seem to've changed one of their daughters' > names... > > In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - > but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. > > Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? Simple answer: yes :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Many thanks to Jacqui & Carole for telling me that my guessed reading was actually right! [I don't have an A-Z of Coventry, and felt that any street with 38 or more Courts would be likely to've been demolished in a slum clearance decades ago!] But this Family is continuing to cause 'difficulties' - because on comparing the result with the 1881, they'd seem to've changed one of their daughters' names... In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? Gus

Hi Gus I have a Mary Ann in my tree, she was always known as Polly. HTH Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [WAR] A Nickname - and Coventry Street Name [continued] > Many thanks to Jacqui & Carole for telling me that my guessed reading was > actually right! [I don't have an A-Z of Coventry, and felt that any street > with 38 or more Courts would be likely to've been demolished in a slum > clearance decades ago!] > > But this Family is continuing to cause 'difficulties' - because on > comparing > the result with the 1881, they'd seem to've changed one of their > daughters' > names... > > In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - > but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. > > Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? > > Gus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.28/1123 - Release Date: > 10/11/2007 15:47 > >

Absolutely Gus, Mary Ann = Polly. Regards, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [WAR] A Nickname - and Coventry Street Name [continued] > In 1871 their youngest child was Mary Ann, 1. She's absent from the 1881 - > but there *is* an 11-year-old Polly. > > Is/was Polly a traditional abbreviation or nickname for Mary Ann? > > Gus

Hi Gus... Yes... it's Much Park Street.... Census for 1871 ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Registration District Census Place Piece Folio Page 393 Coventry St Michael RG10/ 3175 104 16 Household: 38 C 7H Much Park St ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Forename Surname Sex Rel Cond Age County Parish Ocupation John TYSO M Head M 32 WAR Foleshill Porter Sarah TYSO F Wife M 33 WAR Coventry Weaver Emily TYSO F Daur - 5 WAR Coventry Scholar William Heny TYSO M Son - 3 WAR Coventry Scholar Mary Ann TYSO F Daur - 1 WAR Coventry Infant ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Regards Carole -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gus Tysoe Sent: 11 November 2007 15:17 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Coventry Street Name Hello All, I've just tracked-down one of the less-successful families of my extended TYSO[E] Tribe, in Coventry in the 1871 Census. (Their being indexed as "TYES" didn't help...) BUT - I can't read the Street Name. It was clearly one of the Longer Ones, for they were in House 7; No 38 Court; (which was apparently 'up the side' of No 135) - and here I stick... Could it be "Much Park Street"??? [Is that likely?] Full Reference is RG10; Piece 3175; Folio 104; Schedule 81. Gus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: 07/11/2007 22:52 Carole's outgoing mail has been scanned by AVG and is virus free. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: 07/11/2007 22:52

Hello All, I've just tracked-down one of the less-successful families of my extended TYSO[E] Tribe, in Coventry in the 1871 Census. (Their being indexed as "TYES" didn't help...) BUT - I can't read the Street Name. It was clearly one of the Longer Ones, for they were in House 7; No 38 Court; (which was apparently 'up the side' of No 135) - and here I stick... Could it be "Much Park Street"??? [Is that likely?] Full Reference is RG10; Piece 3175; Folio 104; Schedule 81. Gus

Could someone please help with information on SPENCER families in Coventry in non-denominational records and/or C. of E. marriage records 1785-1800? Many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips

Hi All Would some kind soul who is a member of any Oxford list pass this on. Found in the Pr's for Braunston NTH one John CONNANT, Rector of Exeter College Oxford. So far I have his marriage and the Baptism's of two children. Would anyone interested email me off list. Bob Mawby Rugby (UK)

Hello Sherrill, You need to be certain about your dates , but your local Archives in Warwick should be able to supply them for a few pence each , thats the baptism records as Charni said. Thanks Pete. > > 1. Birth Certificates Pre 1837 (Sherrill Lamb > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:40:37 +1100 >From: "Sherrill Lambert" <cotterill_lambert@bigpond.com> >Subject: [WAR] Birth Certificates Pre 1837 >To: <warwick@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: > <20071108124100.NJBB9385.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@JAMIEPC> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Hi Group. > >Was just wondering, How to order a birth certificate for pre 1837. I have >the christening information. > > > >I am researching, Sarah Mullis, Christened 1820 her parents- Thomas Mullis, >Anne Chatterly. > >Also her husband Thomas Cotterill Christened 1820. Any help would be >appreciated. Kind regards Sherrill > > > >------------------------------ > >Me > >Carole > > >-----Original Message----- >From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb. com]On >Behalf Of Sherrill Lambert >Sent: 08 November 2007 12:41 >To: warwick@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WAR] Birth Certificates Pre 1837 > >Hi Group. > >Was just wondering, How to order a birth certificate for pre 1837. I have >the christening information. > > > >I am researching, Sarah Mullis, Christened 1820 her parents- Thomas Mullis, >Anne Chatterly. > >Also her husband Thomas Cotterill Christened 1820. Any help would be >appreciated. Kind regards Sherril >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: 07/11/2007 >22:52 > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:06:06 +0000 >From: Charani <familyhunter@family-hunter.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [WAR] Birth Certificates Pre 1837 >To: warwick@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <473317CE.5030409@family-hunter.co.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > >Sherrill Lambert wrote: >> > > >-------------------- >*************************************** > __________________________________________________ Exclusive discounts on Norton Security from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc/

Hi Group. Was just wondering, How to order a birth certificate for pre 1837. I have the christening information. I am researching, Sarah Mullis, Christened 1820 her parents- Thomas Mullis, Anne Chatterly. Also her husband Thomas Cotterill Christened 1820. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards Sherrill

At 08:02 08/11/2007, Cynvogel@aol.com wrote: >I have a RICHARD DUCKETT born circa 12 June 1774 presumably in GAYDON who >married HANNAH TIMMS 27July 1797. Richard dies in 1840. Somehow the family >ends up in Fenny Compton. Have no info on Gaydon as a place or why Richard >Duckett was from there. Hi Cynthia. My records show this Richard to be the son of Richard and Kathering (Roberts) baptized at Fenny Compton 27-6-1774, married Hannah Tims 27-7-1797 at Gaydon. They both died at F. C. Richard 17-10-1840, Hannah 13-6-1857 Ron Duckett

Sherrill Lambert wrote: > Hi Group. > > Was just wondering, How to order a birth certificate for pre 1837. I have > the christening information. Civil registration didn't commence until 1 July 1837 so there are no birth certificates available for 1820. The best you can get is a copy of the baptismal entry. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

I'm afraid you can't.... there are no Certificates pre September Quarter 1837 when Registration began.. the baptisms are the only registration you can get. Best wishes Carole -----Original Message----- From: warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:warwick-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sherrill Lambert Sent: 08 November 2007 12:41 To: warwick@rootsweb.com Subject: [WAR] Birth Certificates Pre 1837 Hi Group. Was just wondering, How to order a birth certificate for pre 1837. I have the christening information. I am researching, Sarah Mullis, Christened 1820 her parents- Thomas Mullis, Anne Chatterly. Also her husband Thomas Cotterill Christened 1820. Any help would be appreciated. Kind regards Sherrill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WARWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: 07/11/2007 22:52 Carole's outgoing mail has been scanned by AVG and is virus free. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.24/1117 - Release Date: 07/11/2007 22:52

Hi All, The Women's Institute book " Warwickshire Within Livng Memory" has a two page article about "The Malt Shovel" at Gaydon, which includes mention of the surnames WHITE & TERRY. You can contact me off list for details. Barb Stacey Solihull