The reason the name does not come up is probably because only initials were recorded for the patients. I recently had a similar case in an asylum in the London area. The patients were identified by initials, age, and place of birth, and in some cases (men mostly) their former occupation was given. The only way you can check is to search for the institution by the address or to find out the name of the medical superintendant at the time and search for his name - which should be the first recorded on the enumerator's list for the institution concerned. If the asylum you are interested in is the one in Lodge Rd, Birmingham (sorry, I haven't been following this discussion), it is listed under No 9999 Lodge Rd. MAR in France. > Message du 21/02/10 20:05 > De : "Charles Henrywood" > A : "Warwick List" > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] City Asylum > > > I'm very grateful to Jan Ralph and Wendy Boland for their help and shall > follow-up their suggestions. In the meantime I have another problem and > should appreciate the List's assistance. > > How can I get into the census pages for the City Asylum in the 1911? My > search for Annie OWEN produces no hits for institutions. It could be she's > no longer an inmate but, given the fact that her daughter's surname was > transcribed as MOEN, I'd like to search all the City Asylum names - just in > case. Does anyone have a census reference or a known inmate? > > Many thanks > > Charles > [email protected] > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I'm very grateful to Jan Ralph and Wendy Boland for their help and shall follow-up their suggestions. In the meantime I have another problem and should appreciate the List's assistance. How can I get into the census pages for the City Asylum in the 1911? My search for Annie OWEN produces no hits for institutions. It could be she's no longer an inmate but, given the fact that her daughter's surname was transcribed as MOEN, I'd like to search all the City Asylum names - just in case. Does anyone have a census reference or a known inmate? Many thanks Charles [email protected]

Many thanks, Wendy, for your very helpful information. That pdf makes interesting reading and appears to offer lots of data opportunities - as well as being Birmingham City Council Tourism Department's secret weapon. I spent some time as a young child in Birmingham but haven't been there for years. I have a feeling this is going to change! Once again, my thanks Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "WABoland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] City Asylum, Birmingham > Hello Charles > > I believe the All Saints Asylum was at Winson Green. > Google will give you lots of leads for further information . > Birmingham City Archives hold the records > go to > > http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Sate...pper%2FWrapper > > This PDF (link at foot of the page) lists the records available but some > are withdrawn for conservation > > Some records may be closed for 100 years > > You'll probably need to search the Admission and discharge books to begin > with. > Hope this helps a little > > Wendy Boland > > > > > Hi, > > It's just possible I may have found my maternal grandmother on the 1901 > census, where she is listed as an inmate of the City Asylum in the All > Saints area of Birmingham.. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to sources > of > information on this institution and the accessibility (if any) of records > relating to the patients. > > Many thanks > > Charles > [email protected] > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Jan, According to Phillimore's Marriage Index of Bourton on the Water, Thomas TEALL and Mary GRENDON actually married at Bourton on 28 October 1830 (also confirmed by Gloucestershire FHS Marriage Index 1800-1837) and are in the 1841 census as follows: HO107/366/3, folio 19, page 31 Thomas TEALL 35 Publican Born in county yes Mary do 35 no Mary do 7 yes Ellen do 6 yes Willm do 3 yes Thomas do 1 yes The baptisms of their children (source Gloucestershire FHS Baptismal Index 1813-1837) are as follows: 25 December 1837 at St Lawrence Bourton on the Water Ellen TEAL dau Thomas & Mary, Baker 25 December 1837 at St Lawrence Bourton on the Water Mary Ann TEAL dau Thomas & Mary, Baker According to the 1881 census of Woolwich, Kent, Mary GRENDON is living with son Thomas Arthur and his family and is described as aged 77, born Whitley, Warwickshire which ties in with the baptism you have found. In case you do not have her in earlier census records, here she is in the 1861 census of St Pancras: RG9/123, folio 108, page 54 12 Emeis Terrace Mary TEALL Widow W 57 Dressmaker Whitley nr Coventry Mary A do Daur U 26 do Gloucestershire Bourton on the Water Ellen do Daur U 25 do do do Arthur T do Son U 19 Piano Forte Maker do do Not sure how much this helps you, but there are other TEALL (and variants) marriages at Bourton on the Phillimores from the early 1800's onwards so let me know if you would like details. Janet >I am researching the name GRENDON, which has traditionally been the > family name handed down to the first daughter born in our family. > Family stories clearly tell that we have a connection to Grendon > Hall. However, we have not as yet found our link. We have found a > Grendon Hall in WAR & a Mary GRENDON born about 1804 in Whitley WAR. > We do not have details of Mary's parents or earlier family. > > Our Mary GRENDON married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on > 1st Oct 1843

Hello Charles I believe the All Saints Asylum was at Winson Green. Google will give you lots of leads for further information . Birmingham City Archives hold the records go to http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Sate...pper%2FWrapper This PDF (link at foot of the page) lists the records available but some are withdrawn for conservation Some records may be closed for 100 years You'll probably need to search the Admission and discharge books to begin with. Hope this helps a little Wendy Boland Hi, It's just possible I may have found my maternal grandmother on the 1901 census, where she is listed as an inmate of the City Asylum in the All Saints area of Birmingham.. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to sources of information on this institution and the accessibility (if any) of records relating to the patients. Many thanks Charles [email protected]

After my last message, I did a Google search for All Saints City Asylum, and find that Birmingham City Council now have a downloadable PDF, which lists the records available for this Asylum. Janet Ralph

Hi Charles I also had an ancestor in City Asylum. She was there in 1901 census & died there in December of the same year. I was able to see & photograph her medical records in Birmingham City Central Library Archives when they were based in the City Centre. They were quite distressing, but interesting. There were several volumes & you needed to know the dates & request the relevant volumes to be brought from the Archives (in the basement at that time). I know that the Archives have since moved to a new site. It would be worth you ringing to find out if the years you are interested in are available. There were also various records from the guardians etc. There are also details about the workhouse itself on a web-site, but I have forgotten the details of the link. It is late now, but I will try to find the details & send it to you, unless someone else sends them to you first! Janet Ralph West Sussex At 21:18 20/02/2010, you wrote: >Hi, > >It's just possible I may have found my maternal grandmother on the 1901 >census, where she is listed as an inmate of the City Asylum in the All >Saints area of Birmingham.. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to sources of >information on this institution and the accessibility (if any) of records >relating to the patients. > >Many thanks > >Charles >[email protected] > > > > > >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, It's just possible I may have found my maternal grandmother on the 1901 census, where she is listed as an inmate of the City Asylum in the All Saints area of Birmingham.. I'd appreciate any suggestions as to sources of information on this institution and the accessibility (if any) of records relating to the patients. Many thanks Charles [email protected]

Hello Both, While there was [and still is] a Parish of Grendon in WAR - in Hemlingford Hundred and Atherstone Registration District - it was about as far from GLS as you could get while still staying in WAR.... It did have a Hall - but that was pulled down in 1933 - < http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42659 > The Ordnance Survey Get-a-Map site lists 7 place names that include the word Grendon - but none are anywhere near GLS. Which isn't to say that there's *not* a tiny hamlet of the name somewhere in the County - only that a far more wide-ranging Gazetteer is needed. I *know* there was a very extensive one published [roughly] 1840ish - there's a copy in Birmingham Central Library where I've consulted it in the past - but I can't remember the title or author... My own surname is also a place-name - and in WAR, too - but whether or not an ancestor took his name from it is unknown. Our likely [but not fully proven earlier to a marriage in 1645] line of descent would seem to have had us leaving the Ancestral Village - if so we did - around 1350, which unfortunately does allow us any evidence either way. As to the 2nd part of your enquiry, you don't give any details of the "grandmother" dates, which makes working out the likely period of her uncles' lives somewhat more difficult. Might you be referring to Jethro TULL the agriculral innovator(1674-1741)? [But he was never knighted, so this seems doubly improbable.] FWIW "a" Sir Jethro TEALL (1849-1924) was Director of the Geological Survey 1901-14, and [apparently] known as J J Harris TEALL before receiving his knighthood. In all probability the Dictionary of National Biography will include him, and give his parents' names which could give you a starting point. But there's always the - quite strong - possibility that your grandmother could've "adopted" a Famous Relative... It's a practice by no means unknown even today :-) Again, there's "a" Sir Richard DICKESON (1823-1900) who was 4 times Mayor of Dover between 1871 and 1882 - and keen on rowing - whose parentage &c might be somewhat harder to establish. And, finally, there could also be no blood relationship whatsoever between either of the uncles and grandmother - you need to research their wives as well... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Ralph" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:11 AM Subject: [WAR] GRENDON/TEALL/DICKESON >I am researching the name GRENDON, which has traditionally been the > family name handed down to the first daughter born in our family. > Family stories clearly tell that we have a connection to Grendon > Hall. However, we have not as yet found our link. We have found a > Grendon Hall in WAR & a Mary GRENDON born about 1804 in Whitley WAR. > We do not have details of Mary's parents or earlier family. > > Our Mary GRENDON married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on > 1st Oct 1843 & they became the publicans at the Duke of Wellington > Inn in Bourton, which is still there. Mary died in Woolwich KEN in > 1883, where the family were still publicans. An autobiography of my > grandmother has just come to light, which states her connections with > Grendon Hall of GLS. We are wondering whether a Grendon Hall did > exist In GLS or whether our Grendon Hall is in fact the Grendon Hall > we have found in WAR. > > The autobiography also states that uncles of our grandmother (Ivy > GERHARD) were Sir Jethro TEALL & Sir Richard DICKESON. We are also > keen to find these links which we have not as yet found. > > One useful point might be that we have found that many of the TEALL > family were keen baptists > > Mick & Jan RALPH > Henfield, West Sussex > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a numismatist (albeit somewhat unpracticed in the past few decades), I wouldn't even consider purchasing a coin in such condition ! That William Fawcet must have made many examples of the token, so I would be surprised if better examples do not exist Of course having a token like that would be great for a descendant of Williams ! Happy Hunting Pickard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Kendell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: [WAR] WILLIAM FAWCETT, 1666, Anyone interested in the Fawcett family in Nuneaton may find this of interest http://time-lines.co.uk/17th-century-nuneaton-warwickshire-token-halfpenny-013058-25390-0.html Richard Ancestors (some back to the 1500s) with 300 different surnames from Warwickshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Oxfordshire. 180 village photos. 40 trade guide extracts. Visit my web site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~richardkendellfamily/index.html

I am researching the name GRENDON, which has traditionally been the family name handed down to the first daughter born in our family. Family stories clearly tell that we have a connection to Grendon Hall. However, we have not as yet found our link. We have found a Grendon Hall in WAR & a Mary GRENDON born about 1804 in Whitley WAR. We do not have details of Mary's parents or earlier family. Our Mary GRENDON married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on 1st Oct 1843 & they became the publicans at the Duke of Wellington Inn in Bourton, which is still there. Mary died in Woolwich KEN in 1883, where the family were still publicans. An autobiography of my grandmother has just come to light, which states her connections with Grendon Hall of GLS. We are wondering whether a Grendon Hall did exist In GLS or whether our Grendon Hall is in fact the Grendon Hall we have found in WAR. The autobiography also states that uncles of our grandmother (Ivy GERHARD) were Sir Jethro TEALL & Sir Richard DICKESON. We are also keen to find these links which we have not as yet found. One useful point might be that we have found that many of the TEALL family were keen baptists Mick & Jan RALPH Henfield, West Sussex

Anyone interested in the Fawcett family in Nuneaton may find this of interest http://time-lines.co.uk/17th-century-nuneaton-warwickshire-token-halfpenny-013058-25390-0.html Richard Ancestors (some back to the 1500s) with 300 different surnames from Warwickshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire and Oxfordshire. 180 village photos. 40 trade guide extracts. Visit my web site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~richardkendellfamily/index.html

Hello Jayne, I also see that there are quite a few Peasnalls at Barby, which is quite close to Welton, and therefore probably worth a look. Regards Peter

Hello Jayne, Your post attracted my attention as there are Peasnalls linked to my Rockingham family in Northamptonshire - so I looked at my Northamptonshire transcripts CD and this one looks promising: Stephen PEASNALL of Leamington, Warwickshire married Lucy HIGHAM otp (Welton) 1813 25-Apr Welton C of E License. My recommendation would be to try to get to Northamptonshire Record Office look at the Welton register and see also whether they have a copy of the license. If you can find who took it out that may give you some clues. The witnesses to the wedding might give you some clues as well. My guess is that your Peasnalls could be linked to the Peasnall family from the Bugbrooke area of Northamptonshire. Stephen seems quite a popular name amongst the Northamptonshire Peasnalls. Good hunting Regards Peter

In my last post I refered to Catherine Peasnall's mother as Ellen. Should be Lucy

Hi My GG Grandfather was Edward Luckman Lucas b Warwick 1822 d 1897 Father William Lucas b?  mother?He married Catherine Peasnall b Leamington 1817 d 1866 - father Stephen Peasnall -plumber- mother Ellen?   can anyone help with any info about their parents? Also three of their children seem to have disappeared without a trace. Mary b 1855 nothing after 1891 census when she was still living with her father. Joseph b 1859 nothing after 1881 census also still living at home.And Harry/ Henry b 1862 only appears in 1871 census. Many Thanks.

John said <<<I hope this won't duplicate the efforts of the transcribers for FreeBMD.>>>> I think John probably meant FreeREG. The transcribers for FreeREG have approx. 200+ files online at present. Many of us worked from films at home (fed into a fiche reader), others spent time at the local library or the Warwick Record Office - so it was time consuming and tedious work. The LDS had an agreement with FreeREG and we had permission from WRO to use the films and publish the work on the FreeREG online database. However, once the LDS decided to transcribe all the registers for Warwickshire they no longer allowed FreeREG to borrow their films. As I understood it they were going to allow access to the images on the web site but they are not available online yet -so I wonder if this will eventuate. If you transcribe for the Pilot after downloading the software to your hard drive you then download about 5 images at a time from a register and transcribe them . The images are deleted once you upload your transcription. You DO NOT have a choice of where or what you work on- it is fairly random as far as I can tell. You are given points for your work which according to the info you might be able to use to view images later on. So it begs the question- will the images be free to view and will they be published online? The images for Cheshire records were online last year but are not available now. I noticed some of the Warwickshire PRs FreeREG sent to Salt Lake are online on the Pilot Search. (including burials) So if anyone has any more transcriptions they want to donate to FreeREG I'll get them formatted and uploaded asap. Contact me off list please. (any County is okay- as I can pass them on to the other Co-ords) Good hunting Wendy FreeREG Volunteer Activity Coordinator. [email protected]

Hi all Bourton on Dunsmore is included in the Pilot- I have been working on Solihull baptisms and burials plus St Michaels Marriages (they are the burnt records so only parts of some surnames are intact) The agreement between the LDS and FreeREG was that the transcriptions compiled using LDS films loaned to FreeREG were sent to the LDS and these records should be appearing too eventually. I guess they are checking the work. I sent 50+ (can't remember the exact number) parish register transcriptions to Salt Lake over a year ago. The vast majority are also on the PPP as most transcribers were happy for Pickard to host their work. www.hunimex.com/warwick Some of the records were Non Conformist registers. We are fortunate that Warwickshire RO agreed to allow the LDS to publish the registers, most other county ROs did not. Good hunting Wendy Boland FreeREG - volunteer activity coordinator.

Thanks Wendy for such a good explanation. Yes, I did mean FreeREG. If I understand it correctly, there has been no duplication up to now, and Family Search have decided to do all of Warwickshire. If FreeREG wants to complete Warwickshire there will be some duplication of effort - a great shame. Having looked at the pilot site I think the fact it lists all deaths as 'Warwick, England' rather than Warwickshire will be confusing to some less-experienced genalogists. Regards John

Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:56:09 +0000 From: John Brightley <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Family Search Pilot To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Haydn This is certainly interesting - especially if it involves original transcriptions rather than the sometimes unreliable data on the normal familysearch website. Perhaps you can explain the project a bit more for the rest of us. I hope this won't duplicate the efforts of the transcribers for FreeBMD. John As I understand it, the aim of the LDS project is to re-index all the records they have microfilmed and link the index entries to digitized images of the original records. Judith