I often send thanks for your contributions to this site, and here are more thanks, for the information on directories. All good wishes, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warks Trade Directories on-line > Hi Heather > > In Ancestrys Directories when searching for Warwickshire > > 1822 Pigot's Directory > 1828-9 Pigot's Directory > 1835 Pigot's Directory > 1850 White's Directory > 1852 Slater's Directory of Birmingham > 1855 White's Directory of Birmingham > 1862 Corporation Directory For Birmingham and Its Environs > 1868 Kelly's Directory > 1868 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1878 Post Office Directory of Birmingham > 1879 Post Office Directory of Birmingham > 1880 Kelly's Directory > 1883 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1888 Kelly's Directory > 1890 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1892 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1895 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1897 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1899 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1900 Kelly's Directory > 1900 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1905 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1908 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1912 Kelly's Directory > 1913 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1915 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > 1940 Kelly's Directory > 1940 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham > > 1825-6 Birmingham, Bristol, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield > Pigot's > Directory > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > >> Morning >> >> Other than http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/ does anyone know of >> any other trade directories for Warks/Birmingham available on-line? >> >> Thanks >> Heather > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If your Elizabeth Warner is the lady listed in the 1841 census (on Pickard's Pink Pages) as age 30 in Book 8 Folio 6 Page 6, then it is most likely that as the next entry is probably of the vicar/priest of St Giles then the common was alongside the church. This link will show you the location of the church: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/40984 Mike (Sunny Birmingham, UK) P.S. Have you considered enquiring of Packwood House <[email protected]> if they have a map showing where the common is? ----- Original Message ----- Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen

Please would SKS with access to Coventry records be able to find the parents of Sarah McGinnis. Her father was Michael and was possibly in the army as each of his five children found so far was born in a different town. Unfortunately he is a widower in the 1841 census so I have no idea who he married. Many thanks Philippa

Thank you Gareth for coming back to me and for taking the time to look up on the census. I have followed them through the census but most of the family seem to have disappeared before the 1861 census. Incidentally their son John is transcribed as Fandy. Regards Doreen >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:32:41 +0100 >> From: "Gareth"<[email protected]> >> Subject: [WAR] Re TANDY >> To:<[email protected]> >> Message-ID:<[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi Doreen >> On the 51 Thos TANDAY 56 widower ag lab, daughter Lydia 20 ag lab, >> daughter Susan 9 living Outhill, Studley. Lodging with them was Abel >> BENNETT 30 widower ag lab b Mickleton Gloucestershire. >> On the 41 transcribed as Sandy :- Thomas (40) ag lab, Hannah (40) , >> Lydia 10, John 7, Mary 5 living Gattac-ks or les not sure - in Studley. >> HTH a bit >> Cheers for now >> Gareth >> P.S. can send the scans offlist if you want them >> >> ------------------------------ >>

Hi Bernadette, Try looking at PPP - the 1841 census transcripts on my site have location indexes as well as street indexes and Packwood is given as being in piece 1143 for Warwick. The transcription for piece 1143 ED6 book 8 has Packwood, and there is a family of Warner: William, Sarah, Elizabeth & Francis. Are these your family ? Sadly the enumerators notes (not on my site) just say "The whole of the parish of Packwood" So there is no clue from the 1841 census as to where that family lived. I would suggest you look at later census returns to see if the enumerators route was listed. Happy Hunting Pickard Trepess Nagykanizsa, Hungary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thank you Bernadette, I've seen a few references to Packwood Common, what I'm really looking for is where it was located in the parish. None of the references seem to give that or show maps. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:55 PM Hi Ellen, Check out google books. I found Packwood Common mentioned in History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. Wager And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF orm?SearchView Good hunting Bernadette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. To: warwick web Subject: [WAR] Packwood Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much.  That certainly makes sense. Ellen (sunny, for once,  upstate New York) --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Mike Jakeman <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mike Jakeman <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:13 PM If your Elizabeth Warner is the lady listed in the 1841 census (on Pickard's Pink Pages) as age 30 in Book 8 Folio 6 Page 6, then it is most likely that as the next entry is probably of the vicar/priest of St Giles then the common was alongside the church. This link will show you the location of the church: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/40984 Mike (Sunny Birmingham, UK) P.S. Have you considered enquiring of Packwood House <[email protected]> if they have a map showing where the common is? ----- Original Message ----- Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, Have you his marriage certificate to Jane and if so what does it say is the name and profession of his father?? This might at least narrow down the search for your Joseph especially as the name does not seem to be that common. Janet

Hi Ellen, Check out google books. I found Packwood Common mentioned in History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. Wager And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF orm?SearchView Good hunting Bernadette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. To: warwick web Subject: [WAR] Packwood Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish?  St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address.  I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I think you will find that the only place of worship in Whitley in the 19th century was a Catholic chapel attached to Whitley Abbey house- see http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=16039&strquery=whitley There is also a history of Whitley on http://www.coventry.gov.uk/ccm/content/chief-executives-directorate/area-co-ordination/ward-pages/cheylesmore-ward/history-of-cheylesmore.en >From the record below, it seems likely that the Grendon family worshipped at Baginton as it would be one of the nearest Cof E churches to Whitley- others (apart from those in the centre of the city) are St Bartholomew's, Binley or St Michael's, Stoke, so it might also be worth checking those registers. Regards John On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:22 PM, A P L <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello again - > > > British History Online give a somewhat too detailed account of the owners, > tenants and occupants of Grendon. I was fascinated by it all but I am a > nerd who loves such chronologies of families and places!! > > > > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42659 > > > > It would seem from this account that the last GRENDON that held the land > from the FERRERs family was a Robert de GRENDON who died without issue in > 1348. > > Surname: Grendon > > > > > > > "This interesting name is of Medieval English origin and is locational from > places so called in Berkshire, Northumberland and Warwickshire, first > recorded in the Domesday Book of 1086 as 'Grenuedone' (Berkshire), 'Grendone > (Northumberland)' and 'Grendone (Warwickshire)', and deriving from the Old > English elements 'grene', green and 'dun', a hill. In Baginton, > Warwickshire, on December 7th 1725, one Ann Grendon was christened. The > first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of > Christopher Grendon, marriage to Annes Sheyll, which was dated July 11th > 1573, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, > 'Good Queen Bess', 1558-1603. Surnames became necessary when governments > introduced personal taxation." > > > > I pinched the above from the Internet Surname Database. Baginton is > approximately 1 mile due south of Whitley. > > > > > > > > > Anne Paling > > SHEFFIELD, U.K. > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:33:50 +0000 > > To: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: [WAR] WHITLEY, COVENTRY: GRENDON > > > > Thanks Peter. The witness would not be our Mary GRENDON as she > > married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on 28th Oct 1830. > > There may of course be a family connection which we will explore. > > > > Thanks too to Anne Paling. Yes, our research also indicates that > > Grendon Hall belonged to the Chetwyn family. I believe it did belong > > to the GRENDON family a long way back. Regretfully, we do not have > > any family information about the nature of our link to Grendon Hall, > > except that the eldest daughter born to the family was always > > traditionally given the name GRENDON. This makes me wonder whether > > the GRENDONS had only a female link to Grendon Hall, which was taken > > over by the Chetwyn family? I would be grateful if anyone knows > > where we might obtain details of the Grendon Hall & further our research. > > > > Jan RALPH > _________________________________________________________________ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us > now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Need your help please!!! On October 4 1893 Charles W Powell of Warham Herefordshire married Elizabeth Bott of Illshaw Heath Tanworth In Arden Warwickshire. We have pictures of the wedding but for the life of me I can not find a wedding certificate either in Herefordshire or Warwickshire, can some one more clever than I see what they can find? Much appreciated! Ken Poole, Canandaigua NY

Thank you Bernadette,  I've seen a few references to Packwood Common, what I'm really looking for is where it was located in the parish.  None of the references seem to give that or show maps. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:55 PM Hi Ellen, Check out google books. I found Packwood Common mentioned in History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. Wager And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF orm?SearchView Good hunting Bernadette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. To: warwick web Subject: [WAR] Packwood Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish?  St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address.  I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen       List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish?  St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address.  I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen

Hi Folks: I have a brick wall, his name is LAPPAGE, Joseph, this is what I know of him. Joseph LAPPAGE was born abt. 1803 in Warwick, Sutton, England, and died 09 Dec 1886 in Spittlegate, England. He married Elizabeth ROSE, 17 Oct 1825 in All Saints, Loughborough, Leicester. She was born 26 Mar 1797, and died abt. 16 Aug 1847 in Stoke Golding, Leicester. He was remarried to Jane WOODWARD on 27 Dec 1850 in the Register Office, Leicester She was born in Leicester, England, and died 11 Sep 1870 in Stoke Golding, Leicester, England. He was a shoemaker all his life and after Jane died he moved in with his son William in Spittlegate, Lincoln, England until he died on 9 Dec 1886. Children of Joseph LAPPAGE and Elizabeth ROSE are: 1. Prudence LAPPAGE, b. Abt. 05 Oct 1826, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England; d. Abt. 05 Jul 1837, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England. 2. William LAPPAGE, b. Abt. 08 Jan 1829, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England; d. Abt. Mar 1909, Grantham, Leicestershire, England. 3. Joseph LAPPAGE, b. Abt. 1827, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England; d. 22 Dec 1860, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England. 4. George LAPPAGE, b. Abt. 12 May 1833, Stoke Golding, Leicester, England; d. 25 Sep 1903, Leicester, England. On all Leicester and Lincoln census reports I have for Joseph his birthplace is listed as Sutton Coldfield, Warwick England. This is where I hit my brick wall. I have not been able to find any information beyond Stoke Golding. Can anyone help me? Thanks Susan (Clay) McIsaac Looking for CLAY, SANSOM, LAPPAGE, RIMMINGTON

Hi Doreen On the 51 Thos TANDAY 56 widower ag lab, daughter Lydia 20 ag lab, daughter Susan 9 living Outhill, Studley. Lodging with them was Abel BENNETT 30 widower ag lab b Mickleton Gloucestershire. On the 41 transcribed as Sandy :- Thomas (40) ag lab, Hannah (40) , Lydia 10, John 7, Mary 5 living Gattac-ks or les not sure - in Studley. HTH a bit Cheers for now Gareth P.S. can send the scans offlist if you want them

Hi Everyone My great grandmother was Lydia TANDY who was christened 14 March 1831 at Studley. She married Abel BENNETT in the Registry Office in Alcester. Her parents were Thomas TANDY (christened 1899 at Aston Cantlow) and Hannah HEMING (christened 1799 at Studley). Lydia's siblings as far as I can make out were - Harriet b 1824 Thomas b 1826 John b 1833 Mary b 1836 Susan b 1841 All the siblings were christened in Studley. Does anyone have or recognise this TANDY family. Any help much appreciated Regards Doreen in Timaru, New Zealand

Hello again - British History Online give a somewhat too detailed account of the owners, tenants and occupants of Grendon. I was fascinated by it all but I am a nerd who loves such chronologies of families and places!! http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=42659 It would seem from this account that the last GRENDON that held the land from the FERRERs family was a Robert de GRENDON who died without issue in 1348. Surname: Grendon "This interesting name is of Medieval English origin and is locational from places so called in Berkshire, Northumberland and Warwickshire, first recorded in the Domesday Book of 1086 as 'Grenuedone' (Berkshire), 'Grendone (Northumberland)' and 'Grendone (Warwickshire)', and deriving from the Old English elements 'grene', green and 'dun', a hill. In Baginton, Warwickshire, on December 7th 1725, one Ann Grendon was christened. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Christopher Grendon, marriage to Annes Sheyll, which was dated July 11th 1573, Much Marcle, Herefordshire, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, 'Good Queen Bess', 1558-1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation." I pinched the above from the Internet Surname Database. Baginton is approximately 1 mile due south of Whitley. Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:33:50 +0000 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [WAR] WHITLEY, COVENTRY: GRENDON > > Thanks Peter. The witness would not be our Mary GRENDON as she > married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on 28th Oct 1830. > There may of course be a family connection which we will explore. > > Thanks too to Anne Paling. Yes, our research also indicates that > Grendon Hall belonged to the Chetwyn family. I believe it did belong > to the GRENDON family a long way back. Regretfully, we do not have > any family information about the nature of our link to Grendon Hall, > except that the eldest daughter born to the family was always > traditionally given the name GRENDON. This makes me wonder whether > the GRENDONS had only a female link to Grendon Hall, which was taken > over by the Chetwyn family? I would be grateful if anyone knows > where we might obtain details of the Grendon Hall & further our research. > > Jan RALPH _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Thanks Peter. The witness would not be our Mary GRENDON as she married Thomas TEALL in Bourton on the Water GLS on 28th Oct 1830. There may of course be a family connection which we will explore. Thanks too to Anne Paling. Yes, our research also indicates that Grendon Hall belonged to the Chetwyn family. I believe it did belong to the GRENDON family a long way back. Regretfully, we do not have any family information about the nature of our link to Grendon Hall, except that the eldest daughter born to the family was always traditionally given the name GRENDON. This makes me wonder whether the GRENDONS had only a female link to Grendon Hall, which was taken over by the Chetwyn family? I would be grateful if anyone knows where we might obtain details of the Grendon Hall & further our research. Jan RALPH

Hello Jan, Whitley was never a Civil Parish - while Ecclesiastically it was only created in 1965 by the division into 2 parishes of the former Willenhall with Whitley - itself only created in 1958 out of the [Ecc] Parish of Coventry Holy Trinity, but (apparently) following the boundaries of the Civil Township of Willenhall within [Civil] Coventry Holy Trinity. It really *WOULD* have been a Good Idea had our ancestors only thought to use different words for the [nominally-]smallest Administrative Units of the Civil and the State Religion Organisations... There would seem to be quite a high possibility that her parents were non-conformists, which would explain the absence of her baptism from CofE registers. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Ralph" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: [WAR] Mary GRENDON/TEALL > Thanks to all those who replied to my query about Mary TEALL nee GRENDON. > > We would be grateful for further help from the List. Just to > clarify-we have found Mary in all censuses. We have, however, not > found her baptism or her earlier family. According to censuses, her > baptism should have been in Whitley WAR about 1804, but we have not > been able to find the PRs for Whitley, since we do not live locally.I > presume these would be in Coventry or Birmingham Archives? We are > interested too in finding a family link to Grendon Hall, which was > presumably nearby in WAR? Family stories, as yet unsubstantiated by > our research, have always indicated a family link to the hall. > > Jan RALPH > Henfield, West Sussex > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jan, I have had a quick look at Holy Trinity. No baptisms or marriages for a Mary Grendon but there is one marriage with a Mary Grendon as a witness in 1831. 15 May by banns James Franklin & Ann Pollard both OTP. Peter Subject: Re: [WAR] WHITLEY, COVENTRY I think, altho I am not too familiar with this bit of Warwickshire, that Whitley did not become a Parish until quite late, possibly after WWI? Was Whitley part of Coventry Holy Trinity Parish? Grendon Hall is about 13 miles from Whitley so an association with that place is a possibility. In what way did you think that the family was linked to Grendon? I think it used to belong to the Chetwyn family. Anne Paling From: [email protected] > Subject: [WAR] Mary GRENDON/TEALL >> Thanks to all those who replied to my query about Mary TEALL nee GRENDON. > We would be grateful for further help from the List. Just to > clarify-we have found Mary in all censuses. We have, however, not > found her baptism or her earlier family. According to censuses, her > baptism should have been in Whitley WAR about 1804, but we have not > been able to find the PRs for Whitley, since we do not live locally.I > presume these would be in Coventry or Birmingham Archives? We are > interested too in finding a family link to Grendon Hall, which was > presumably nearby in WAR? Family stories, as yet unsubstantiated by > our research, have always indicated a family link to the hall. > > Jan RALPH > Henfield, West Sussex

I think, altho I am not too familiar with this bit of Warwickshire, that Whitley did not become a Parish until quite late, possibly after WWI? Was Whitley part of Coventry Holy Trinity Parish? Grendon Hall is about 13 miles from Whitley so an association with that place is a possibility. In what way did you think that the family was linked to Grendon? I think it used to belong to the Chetwyn family. Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. > Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 10:43:48 +0000 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [WAR] Mary GRENDON/TEALL > > Thanks to all those who replied to my query about Mary TEALL nee GRENDON. > > We would be grateful for further help from the List. Just to > clarify-we have found Mary in all censuses. We have, however, not > found her baptism or her earlier family. According to censuses, her > baptism should have been in Whitley WAR about 1804, but we have not > been able to find the PRs for Whitley, since we do not live locally.I > presume these would be in Coventry or Birmingham Archives? We are > interested too in finding a family link to Grendon Hall, which was > presumably nearby in WAR? Family stories, as yet unsubstantiated by > our research, have always indicated a family link to the hall. > > Jan RALPH > Henfield, West Sussex > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/