Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire. It was a long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards southeast of Packwood Towers). Windmill Lane, the modern road joining Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along it. The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html Matt Tompkins -----Original Message----- From: Ellen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks for all the information Gus. I think the area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of orridge. I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood ommon and Kingswood Common". He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson. It seems likely it was n roughly that area. I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed. Are you familiar ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be ncluded? million thanks, llen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> wrote: ello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name ackwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or orridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow he search down to a comparatively small area. inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than oincidence.... HTH Gus ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The map is fantastic!  Thank you so much for sharing it Matt. Ellen --- On Sat, 3/13/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected]eb.com Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 9:29 AM Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire.  It was a long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards southeast of Packwood Towers).  Windmill Lane, the modern road joining Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along it. The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html Matt Tompkins -----Original Message----- From: Ellen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks for all the information Gus.    I think the  area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of orridge.  I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood ommon and Kingswood Common".   He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson.  It seems likely it was n roughly that area.     I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed.  Are you familiar ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be ncluded? million thanks, llen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]>  wrote: ello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name ackwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or orridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow he search down to a comparatively small area. inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than oincidence.... HTH Gus       ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Guy, Thank you for your response and for the great information on SuF. Being an ex-Bristolian married to a someone from Redditch, I have visited that area often, but unfortunately at a time many years ago when we were still in the UK and family history was not a passion of mine! That being said, I had an idea that it was one of those places that "belonged" to a specific county depending on the time of the census, which does make things a little more convoluted, especially when researching out here and not being able to get to the register offices to check things out. On the marriage of James Adams and Mary Ann Grouman/Gromore, James at 26 was recorded as living on Tindal St. at the time of his marriage and was a police officer. His father was recorded as James Adams, farmer, which is stretching things a little as he was an agricultural labourer in SuF. I have that line going back quite some way as they were in the Honington, Stretton area for many years. Mary Ann was 24, living on Vyse St. and a servant. Father's name Nathan Gromore, Pawnbroker, who actually appears to be Nachum Grouman, travelling jeweller from Poland, who, on the 1851 census in lodging in Wedmore, Somerset, age 62 and recorded as single. His "wife" Mary GOURMAN on the 1851 for Dean Street, Birmingham, St. Martin, is recorded as "widow" from Shearston, Glos, and in lodgings with her youngest daughter, Elizabeth, born in Northleach. On the occasion of Elizabeth's marriage to John Bint in 1851, which is recorded on IGI, he is shown as John Grouman, bricklayer, a convenient coincidence to the fact that John's father, also John Bint is a bricklayer! However, the Grouman saga is another problem for another time. I think I should check out the baptisms for Blockley so can you please tell me what county it is in today? Thanks so muc, Patricia Almonte, ON Canada ________________________________ From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 10:28:33 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family Hello Patricia, I'm not entirely sure if this will be of great assistance, but Stretton under Fosse and Aston Magna are in the administratively-tangled area where GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all used to meet and intermingle. Stretton under Fosse was the most southerly portion of an "island" of WAR that was sandwiched between 2 "islands" of WOR and a pair of "almost-islands" of GLS until as recently as 1931... In the Grand Reshuffling of County Boundaries at that time, Stretton under Fosse remained in WAR. Aston Magna was a hamlet within the [Civil] Parish of Blockley - SuF's southern "island neighbour" - which was in WOR to 1931, and thereafter in GLS. However, it was created as a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in 1847, so there's a faint possibility he may have been baptised there or in Blockley. Both places were in Shipston on Stour Registration District. One other question. Does their marriage certificate give their father's names and occupations? These just might help in tracing James and Mary Ann in earlier censuses. Gus

Hi to the list, I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a mystery and finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to knock down this brick wall for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and would either like to solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. Martin, at 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed simple enough, but their marriage certificate shows that James and Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on the birth cert of further children) did not marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or baptism for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely not one of the Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both James & Mary Ann were recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of marriage. There is no birth registration under GROUMAN, which I checked in case he was Mary Ann's child born out of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace her on the 1851. I should mention also that there was a 5 year gap between Herbert's approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on 28 Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and Herbert's occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse Infirmary with a cause of death as cirrhosis of the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as 50 years. I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that if I looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might have overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or assistance would be so very much appreciated. Patricia Almonte, ON Canada

Sorry I can't be of more help but it must still have existed fairly recently because my son used to go camping there with the scouts. Happy hunting, Betty. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:11:57 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > Hello Ellen, > > Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been > abolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban > District; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I > don't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent > than that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. > > Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the > same name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in > 1967. > > So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood > Common. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s > 1"; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name > Packwood Common :-( > > Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find > Large Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here > is that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and > 1:2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to > show the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or > Dorridge. > > Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around > 1840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's > a 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers > instead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe > Apportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and > identifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The > catch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, > and needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < > http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online > Catalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. > > Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying > Plot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there > named WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow > the search down to a comparatively small area. > > > Finally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a > "Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than > coincidence.... > > HTH > > Gus > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> > > > Thank you very much Betty, I appreciate the kind offer, but I know where > Packwood was located. I'm trying to find the area within Packwood that was > called "Packwood Common". > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jayne If one makes a leap of faith and a few assumptions- then the 1881 census shows Edward L Lucas aged 50 Accountant Married living at 9 Church Street Leamington His daughter Mary Lucas is unmarried and his housekeeper. Son Joseph aged 21 years Solicitors Clerk. This suggests that the second marriage may not have worked out and his wife has gone home to Mother? The IGI shows the marriage of Edward to Hebe Sarah BEDWELL 20 May 1873 at Leamington Priors. Suggest this could be a transcription error for Phebe? If some-one can look at the parish register you may obtain her father's name and find her in the later census records if she has returned to her parents. Edward may have been born in Warwick - the town -rather than Warwickshire There is a christening record in the IGI Edward LUCAS c 18 September 1821 Saint Mary Warwick Parents William and Charlotte. There is a marriage of William LUCAS to Charlotte SABIN on 28 September 1817 St Mary Warwick Was rather hoping his mother's maiden name was LUCKMAN to confirm the above It's a start anyway! Good Hunting Wendy Boland Hello I'm still trying to find birth record of Edward Luckman LUCAS. According to census records born Warwick 1822. Married Catherine PEASNALL in Manchester 1845 and according to their marriage certificate his father's name was William LUCAS. Edward is listed as a solicitors clerk in all census returns and in 1891 was living at 9 Church Street Leamington. He died in 1897.Children of Edward and Catherine LUCAS were William Edward LUCAS b.1846, Leonard LUCAS b1849, Thomas LUCAS b.1852 (My GG Grandfather) Kate LUCAS b. 1853, Mary LUCAS b.1855, Charles John LUCAS b.1857, Joseph LUCAS b.1859 and Henry or Harry LUCAS b. 1862. Edward also married Hebe Sarah COLMAN/LAW/BEDWELL in 1873 but they do not appear together on any of the following census'. Would appreciate any leads. Many thanks Jayne Martin Glasgow Scotland

Hello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been abolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban District; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I don't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent than that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the same name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 1967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood Common. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s 1"; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name Packwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find Large Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here is that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and 1:2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to show the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or Dorridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 1840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's a 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers instead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe Apportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and identifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The catch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, and needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online Catalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying Plot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there named WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow the search down to a comparatively small area. Finally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a "Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than coincidence.... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> Thank you very much Betty, I appreciate the kind offer, but I know where Packwood was located. I'm trying to find the area within Packwood that was called "Packwood Common".

To all who answered my e-mail and went out of their way to help, many thanks to you all, you've been wonderful. Best Regards, Ellen

Many thanks for your prompt replies - I was doing some research and came across the name !  Did a Google search and nothing specific came forward. Many thanks again, regards, Michael From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: WARWICK Digest, Vol 5, Issue 63 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 8:02 Today's Topics:    2. Caves-in-the-Hole, Warwickshire (Michael McAllister)    3. Re: Caves-in-the-Hole, Warwickshire (WABoland)    4. Re: Caves-in-the-Hole, Warwickshire (Gus Tysoe)  

Thanks for all the information Gus.     I think the  area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of Dorridge.  I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he says "the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill Lane and Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and Grange Rds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood Common and Kingswood Common".    He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the vicarage shown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of 1841 lists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson.  It seems likely it was in roughly that area.      I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William Warner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed.  Are you familiar with the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be included? A million thanks, Ellen --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]>  wrote: Hello Ellen, Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been abolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban District; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I don't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent than that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the same name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in 1967. So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood Common. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s 1"; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name Packwood Common :-( Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find Large Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here is that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and 1:2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to show the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or Dorridge. Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made around 1840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but there's a 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers instead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe Apportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and identifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The catch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical order, and needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online Catalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with quite-widely-varying Plot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there named WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to narrow the search down to a comparatively small area. Finally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a "Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than coincidence.... HTH Gus

To add to what Wendy said, Hebe (yes, that was her name) Sarah LUCAS is living in Buckinghamshire in 1881 with her daughter Hebe BEDWELL, calling herself a lady, British citizen, born in Naples. In 1891 she is living in Hertfordshire and by that time her daughter is married. In 1901 she is living in Wootton Bassett and she died in the Newbury registration district in 1908. Obviously, she didn't stay long with Edward LUCAS in Warwickshire. Her daughter first married a man called Carthew and then a man called Bedwell! Sounds like it maybe an interesting story. Can send further details if required, but she was easy to find. MAR in France. > Message du 12/03/10 06:55 > De : "WABoland" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Fw: LUCAS - Leamington Warwickshire > > > Hello Jayne > > If one makes a leap of faith and a few assumptions- then > > the 1881 census shows Edward L Lucas aged 50 Accountant Married > living at 9 Church Street Leamington > His daughter Mary Lucas is unmarried and his housekeeper. > Son Joseph aged 21 years Solicitors Clerk. > > This suggests that the second marriage may not have worked out and his wife has gone home to Mother? > > The IGI shows the marriage of Edward to Hebe Sarah BEDWELL 20 May 1873 at > Leamington Priors. > > Suggest this could be a transcription error for Phebe? > > If some-one can look at the parish register you may obtain her father's name and find her in the later census records if she has returned to her parents. > > Edward may have been born in Warwick - the town -rather than Warwickshire > There is a christening record in the IGI > > Edward LUCAS > c 18 September 1821 Saint Mary Warwick > Parents William and Charlotte. > > There is a marriage of > William LUCAS to Charlotte SABIN on 28 September 1817 St Mary Warwick > > Was rather hoping his mother's maiden name was LUCKMAN to confirm the above > > It's a start anyway! > > Good Hunting > Wendy Boland > > > Hello > I'm still trying to find birth record of Edward Luckman LUCAS. According to census records born Warwick 1822. Married Catherine PEASNALL in Manchester 1845 and according to their marriage certificate his father's name was William LUCAS. Edward is listed as a solicitors clerk in all census returns and in 1891 was living at 9 Church Street Leamington. He died in 1897.Children of Edward and Catherine LUCAS were William Edward LUCAS b.1846, Leonard LUCAS b1849, Thomas LUCAS b.1852 (My GG Grandfather) Kate LUCAS b. 1853, Mary LUCAS b.1855, Charles John LUCAS b.1857, Joseph LUCAS b.1859 and Henry or Harry LUCAS b. 1862. Edward also married Hebe Sarah COLMAN/LAW/BEDWELL in 1873 but they do not appear together on any of the following census'. Would appreciate any leads. > Many thanks > Jayne Martin Glasgow Scotland > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Packwood is described in "The Victoria County History of Warwick" as being partly in Lapworth. Parish church St Giles. I can send you the relevant paragraphs as a word file if you wish. Regards Betty > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:48:03 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > Leslie, > Thank you for your generous offer. I still have no definite idea where it was. Anything you turn up would be appreciated, as is your effort. > Best Regards, > Ellen > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Lesley <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Lesley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:19 PM > > Hi Ellen > > If you still have not managed to find out where Packwood Common is I can > have a look in Solihull library either this weekend or next week for you. > > If you are interested let me know. > > Lesley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:42 PM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > > Thank you Bernadette, I've seen a few references to Packwood Common, what > I'm really looking for is where it was located in the parish. None of the > references seem to give that or show maps. > > --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> > Subject: [WAR] Packwood > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:55 PM > > Hi Ellen, > > Check out google books. > I found Packwood Common mentioned in > History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire > Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. > Wager > > And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: > http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF > orm?SearchView > > Good hunting > > Bernadette > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Ellen > Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. > To: warwick web > Subject: [WAR] Packwood > > Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the > parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as > her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come > up empty. Thank You. > Ellen > > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Betty, I appreciate the kind offer, but I know where Packwood was located.  I'm trying to find the area within Packwood that was called "Packwood Common". --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Betty Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Betty Williamson <[email protected]> Packwood is described in "The Victoria County History of Warwick" as being partly in Lapworth.  Parish church St Giles.    I can send you the relevant paragraphs as a word file if you wish.   Regards Betty > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:48:03 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > Leslie, > Thank you for your generous offer.  I still have no definite idea where it was.  Anything you turn up would be appreciated, as is your effort. > Best Regards, > Ellen > > --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Lesley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Ellen > > If you still have not managed to find out where Packwood Common is I can > have a look in Solihull library either this weekend or next week for you. > > If you are interested let me know. > > Lesley > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Subject: [WAR] Packwood > > Does anyone know exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish of Packwood? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. > Ellen >

Hi Ellen If you still have not managed to find out where Packwood Common is I can have a look in Solihull library either this weekend or next week for you. If you are interested let me know. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thank you Bernadette, I've seen a few references to Packwood Common, what I'm really looking for is where it was located in the parish. None of the references seem to give that or show maps. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:55 PM Hi Ellen, Check out google books. I found Packwood Common mentioned in History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. Wager And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF orm?SearchView Good hunting Bernadette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. To: warwick web Subject: [WAR] Packwood Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I'm still trying to find birth record of Edward Luckman LUCAS. According to census records born Warwick 1822. Married Catherine PEASNALL in Manchester 1845 and according to their marriage certificate his father's name was William LUCAS. Edward is listed as a solicitors clerk in all census returns and in 1891 was living at 9 Church Street Leamington. He died in 1897.Children of Edward and Catherine LUCAS were William Edward LUCAS b.1846, Leonard LUCAS b1849, Thomas LUCAS b.1852 (My GG Grandfather) Kate LUCAS b. 1853, Mary LUCAS b.1855, Charles John LUCAS b.1857, Joseph LUCAS b.1859 and Henry or Harry LUCAS b. 1862. Edward also married Hebe Sarah COLMAN/LAW/BEDWELL in 1873 but they do not appear together on any of the following census'. Would appreciate any leads. Many thanks Jayne Martin  Glasgow Scotland

Leslie, Thank you for your generous offer.  I still have no definite idea where it was.  Anything you turn up would be appreciated, as is your effort. Best Regards, Ellen --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Lesley <[email protected]> wrote: From: Lesley <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 5:19 PM Hi Ellen If you still have not managed to find out where Packwood Common is I can have a look in Solihull library either this weekend or next week for you. If you are interested let me know. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thank you Bernadette, I've seen a few references to Packwood Common, what I'm really looking for is where it was located in the parish. None of the references seem to give that or show maps. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernadette Siebert <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Packwood To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 12:55 PM Hi Ellen, Check out google books. I found Packwood Common mentioned in History, gazetteer, and directory of Warwickshire Woods, wolds and groves: the woodland of medieval Warwickshire By Sarah J. Wager And the tithe apportionments at Warwickshire County Council mention it: http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/corporate/TitheDemo.nsf/fWebByParish/$searchF orm?SearchView Good hunting Bernadette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ellen Sent: Monday, 8 March 2010 6:22 a.m. To: warwick web Subject: [WAR] Packwood Does anyone know what exactly where "Packwood Common" was located in the parish? St. Giles record of death of Elizabeth Warner in 1847 gives that as her address. I've scoured all the maps I can find and googled it but come up empty. Thank You. Ellen List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mick It was a single dwelling on the Watling Street called Caves Inn- according to the History and Topography of Warwickshire It was occupied by a family with the surname CAVE and named "in the hole" because of its low position . It was supposedly built on the site of Halywell (Holywell) Priory which I believe was at Churchover. Try a google search on Warwickshire place names for more info. Cheers Wendy Boland Has anyone heard of this place please? Regards, Michael McAllister

Hi Mick, Jacqui Simkins sent the following to the List on her webmail account - but seeing it didn't show has asked me to forward it. [Hers *still* hasn't appeared almost 12 hours later, so apologies for dual-posting if it ever does turn up.] Taken with Wendy's reply from an entirely different source, it'd seem you've got The Answer! All I can add is that Churchover's in Rugby Registration District... Gus Yes! This is a quote from "The Place-Names of Warwickshire": Caves Inn Fm was earlier known as New Inn, the name being changed to Cave's Inn after Edward Cave, the new landlord, who was the grandfather of the founder of the "Gentleman's Magazine". Dr Johnson calls the place "Cave's in the Hole, a lone house on the street" (Duignan 40). The place was on the site of the Roman Station Tripontium. As there is but one small stream here the name must be interpreted as "three-(arched-)bridge". This is all in Churchover, Knightlow Hundred. HTH Jacqui > > Has anyone heard of this place please? > Regards, Michael McAllister > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes! This is a quote from "The Place-Names of Warwickshire": Caves Inn Fm was earlier known as New Inn, the name being changed to Cave's Inn after Edward Cave, the new landlord, who was the grandfather of the founder of the "Gentleman's Magazine". Dr Johnson calls the place "Cave's in the Hole, a lone house on the street" (Duignan 40). The place was on the site of the Roman Station Tripontium. As there is but one small stream here the name must be interpreted as "three-(arched-)bridge". This is all in Churchover, Knightlow Hundred. HTH Jacqui ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of Michael McAllister Sent: Wed 10/03/2010 18:53 To: Warwick List Subject: [WAR] Caves-in-the-Hole, Warwickshire Has anyone heard of this place please? Regards, Michael McAllister List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone heard of this place please? Regards, Michael McAllister