I've sent a copy of the census page to you, but they are in Loch House in Wiltshire > Dauntsey > District 14 > Page 21. (My theory on this was that she was from Wiltshire so I searched Wiltshire for Grauman.) I have had a several cases where women gave birth to children not where they were living with their husbands, but at the homes of mothers, sisters, brothers, aunts or uncles, etc. The child may even self report as being from where he or she grew up. At 10:37 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: >Lynn, >I have searched for this family on Find My Past in the 1871 census >and just cannot locate them, even searching with variations of the >name. Would you kindly let me know what their address is? Maybe I >can locate them that way. >Thanks, >Patricia > > > > >________________________________ >From: Lynn Calvin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 4:55:12 PM >Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family > >I'd also chase the Grauman's in Wiltshire in the 1871 census >Household Members: >Name Age >James Grauman 30 >Ann Grauman 36 >Sarah Grauman 12 >Joseph Grauman 10 >Thomas Grauman 8 >Mary Ann Grauman 61 > >There's another Mary Ann there - may just be coincidence. > >But > >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynn, I have searched for this family on Find My Past in the 1871 census and just cannot locate them, even searching with variations of the name. Would you kindly let me know what their address is? Maybe I can locate them that way. Thanks, Patricia ________________________________ From: Lynn Calvin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 4:55:12 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family I'd also chase the Grauman's in Wiltshire in the 1871 census Household Members: Name Age James Grauman 30 Ann Grauman 36 Sarah Grauman 12 Joseph Grauman 10 Thomas Grauman 8 Mary Ann Grauman 61 There's another Mary Ann there - may just be coincidence. But List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patricia You might like to note that in the post below Gareth has got Stretton on Fosse (near Moreton) mixed up with Stretton under Fosse (near Pailton, Coventry and Rugby) They are two different villages miles apart, but it is very easy to mix them up !! All the best John On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Gareth <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Patricia > If James's father on the wedding cert was James a labourer then his baptism > is on PPP at Stretton on Fosse to James and Elizabeth Gardner who married > there in Oct 1813. James was christened 9/12/1827 at St Peter. If they are > his parents then on the 41 he is aged 14 living with his mother and siblings > in the registration district of Pailton south of the turnpike road between > Coventry and Rugby roughly where Stretton on Fosse is probably between the 2 > hamlets. > Dosn't solve your problem but might give you a few other family members to > follow up on who "may" have been Herberts parents > HTH a bit > Cheers for now > Gareth > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patricia If James's father on the wedding cert was James a labourer then his baptism is on PPP at Stretton on Fosse to James and Elizabeth Gardner who married there in Oct 1813. James was christened 9/12/1827 at St Peter. If they are his parents then on the 41 he is aged 14 living with his mother and siblings in the registration district of Pailton south of the turnpike road between Coventry and Rugby roughly where Stretton on Fosse is probably between the 2 hamlets. Dosn't solve your problem but might give you a few other family members to follow up on who "may" have been Herberts parents HTH a bit Cheers for now Gareth

Hi Jacqui - yes, I do belong to Genes Reunited, so will certainly give that a try, although our Adams are definitely from Stretton on Fosse, recorded in both Gloucestershire & Warwickshire. Thanks for the suggestion, Patricia ________________________________ From: Selkie <[email protected]> To: Patricia A <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 10:03:50 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family Hello Patricia, Strange My husband is from the Adams family in Coventry and also Bedworth. Dick Crack adams his great grand father was a cab proprietor in Bedworth. In your time frame. Do you belong to Genes reunited as it would be an idea to ask him if he can help at all. Jacqui

Hi, Again, thank you for posting suggestions regarding our ADAMS family. I have been quite sure that James ADAMS, baptised 14 Mar 1791, Honington, was the father of James ADAMS, my husband's 2 x great grandfather, but will endeavour to go through all of my material again, to make sure that I have not missed anything. On the 1841 census for Ebrington, Glos., I found James Adams b.1791, his wife, Elizabeth (formerly Gardner), sons James Jr., and William plus a granddaughter, Maria Adams, base-born daughter of Sarah Adams who is now married to Stephen Harris and living next door to this family. Their address has been transcribed on Find My Past as "Starve All" probably an apt name for some places in those days! I have to say it looks as though it is the correct transcription, but I am not 100% sure of that as I cannot quite decipher it myself. It is census number HO 107/360/30 Folio 10 Page 15. James Sr. died 4 July 1846 and was buried 6 July 1846, both events in Stretton on Fosse. I have the death certificate in my possession. Cause of death Peritonitis, 24 hours. I do know that James Adams, Police Officer is one and the same as James Adams, Cab Proprietor, so know that I am on the right trail with him. Addresses match up to marriage & birth certificates, ages, father's name and occupation, census records, etc. It's the search for the elusive birth registration of Herbert! Patricia Almonte, ON Canada

Thanks, John. It is definitely Stretton on Fosse that I am interested in. Patricia ________________________________ From: John Brightley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 3:15:23 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Re ADAMS- Stretton on Fosse or Stretton under Fosse ? Patricia You might like to note that in the post below Gareth has got Stretton on Fosse (near Moreton) mixed up with Stretton under Fosse (near Pailton, Coventry and Rugby) They are two different villages miles apart, but it is very easy to mix them up !! All the best John On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Gareth <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Patricia > If James's father on the wedding cert was James a labourer then his baptism > is on PPP at Stretton on Fosse to James and Elizabeth Gardner who married > there in Oct 1813. James was christened 9/12/1827 at St Peter. If they are > his parents then on the 41 he is aged 14 living with his mother and siblings > in the registration district of Pailton south of the turnpike road between > Coventry and Rugby roughly where Stretton on Fosse is probably between the 2 > hamlets. > Dosn't solve your problem but might give you a few other family members to > follow up on who "may" have been Herberts parents > HTH a bit > Cheers for now > Gareth > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Mar. Patricia ________________________________ From: ramaix <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 7:03:43 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family Blockley is now in Gloucestershire and many parish records are on line, including baptisms up to 1812, on http://members.shaw.ca/panthers5/BlockleyRecords MAR in France. > >> I think I should check out the baptisms for Blockley so can you please tell me what county it is in today? >> >> >> >

Hi Lynn, I did look at that family, back in 2006 and even have the (unwanted) marriage certificate of that James Adams and his wife, Mary Ann Whitworth - married 24 Nov 1849, St. Martin, Birmingham. James' father was William Adams, Shoe Maker. So, I took at closer look at them, through subsequent census records, but no Herbert in that family, I am afraid. But I do appreciate your mentioningthem. Also many thanks for the Grauman family information from Wiltshire, another good lead for me to look into. At this time I have who I believed to be Mary Ann's mother, also Mary Ann Grouman, widow aged 65, on the 1871 census with a birth place of Northleach, Glos., living at the home of her youngest daughter, Elizabeth also born Northleach, who married John Bint on 26th Oct, 1851, Aston Juxta, when she was 16. A very productive marriage as there were 9 children on that census and Elizabeth was only 36 Lots to look at, which will certainly keep me busy! Patricia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lynn Calvin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 4:29:40 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family Are you sure that the marriage record is the right one? Or another theory - is it possible that it is this coupld Warwickshire > Aston > Deritend > District 1c > 10 There's a James Adams in the 1851 census, shown as married to a Mary Ann both with an age of 20. His occupation is given as "ticket writer" If they were living together but didn't marry because they were under age OR possibly he was under age but an orphan and didn't have anyone to consent to marriage available. Because this James's brother Abraham, age 11, is shown as living with them - lots of possible reasons but one reason might be that Abraham and James's parents are dead. (If the ages when they actually married (if those are correct). My greatgrandfather and his wife did not marry until he turned 21 because of the lack of any relative to consent - (His mother died when he was an infant, his father when he was 13 and his stepmother when he was 17, which is why this scenario comes to mind. List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou all for your help. The search continues ;) haha! J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Burial Index > Hello J, > > Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of > the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent > than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( > > Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, > which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the > certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the > actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes > they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the > burial > or cremation is to be held. > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> > To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM > Subject: [WAR] Burial Index > > >> Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? >> >> I am looking for the burials for the following two people, >> >> Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father >> George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) >> >> Many thanks, >> >> J >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ooops.... I omitted to state that the NBI coverage below is of the first 3 editions combined - the 3rd edition having been published this month. Gus > Hello J, > > Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of > the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent > than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( > > Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, > which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the > certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the > actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes > they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the > burial > or cremation is to be held. > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> > To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM > Subject: [WAR] Burial Index > > >> Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? >> >> I am looking for the burials for the following two people, >> >> Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father >> George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) >> >> Many thanks, >> >> J >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd also chase the Grauman's in Wiltshire in the 1871 census Household Members: Name Age James Grauman 30 Ann Grauman 36 Sarah Grauman 12 Joseph Grauman 10 Thomas Grauman 8 Mary Ann Grauman 61 There's another Mary Ann there - may just be coincidence. But

Thanks Matt... That's a *beautiful* Map - and should be better-known! Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > Packwood Common is shown on Yates' 1787-9 map of Warwickshire. It was a > long thin common, stretching from Packwood Gullet southeastwards to about > the location of Windmill Farm (ie to a point a couple of hundred yards > southeast of Packwood Towers). Windmill Lane, the modern road joining > Packwood Gullet to Packwood Towers and Windmill Farm, seems to have run > along the length of the common. A number of cottages were scattered along > it. > > The common no longer exists, but Packwood Gullet and Towers both appear on > the modern 1:50,000 OS Landranger map, and on the Streetmap and Multimap > sites - the latter also shows Windmill Lane, if you look at the roadmap > view, and Windmill Farm, if you zoom in to the 1;25,000 level. > > Yates' map can be seen on-line on the Digmap website at > http://digmap1.ist.utl.pt:8080/records/Bncf/html/CFIE025189.html > > Matt Tompkins > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 > Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood > > > Thanks for all the information Gus. > I think the area called Packwood Common may have been a bit south of > orridge. I own a copy of "The Story of Packwood" by J.J. Belton, and he > says > the only extensive areas of common land were those lying between Windmill > Lane > nd Millpool Lane and around the junction of Ayelesbury, Vicarage and > Grange > ds. There were three commons--Packwood Common, Aylesbury or Lower Packwood > ommon and Kingswood Common". > He does not give any other indication of where they were, but the > vicarage > hown on my OS map backs to Windmill Road, and coincidentally the census of > 1841 > ists the Warner family and next lists the Rev. Johnson. It seems likely > it was > n roughly that area. > I have searched the Tithes available on the Warwick site for William > arner, but come up empty though other Ag Labs are listed. Are you > familiar > ith the way the survey was conducted and why an individual might not be > ncluded? > million thanks, > llen > --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Gus Tysoe > <[email protected]> wrote: > ello Ellen, > Packwood - as a separate Civil Parish - no longer exists, having been > bolished in 1932, with parts being distributed between Solihull Urban > istrict; Solihull Urban [Civil] Parish, and the remainder to Lapworth. [I > on't know the date of the VCH volume, but it would seem to be more recent > han that, as it describes it as being 'partly in Lapworth. > Ecclesiastically it has different boundaries from the Civil Parish of the > ame name since [at least] 1895 - and it lost a fair chunk to Dorridge in > 967. > So Maps are probably going to be your only source for locating Packwood > ommon. Unfortunately, the only maps I have are 'small scale' - the 1830s > "; and the present-day 1:50,000 and 1:25,000 - and *none* of them name > > ackwood Common :-( > Your record that gives the name is from 1847, so you really need to find > arge Scale maps from as near to that date as possible - and the snag here > s that about the earliest 'good ones' are the Ordnance Survey 6" and > :2,500 [first series] whichdate from the 1880s, and *MAY* be 'too late' to > how the Common if it was in a developing area such as Hockley Heath or > orridge. > Your very best bet would be the Tithe Plan which [probably] was made > around > 840. As far as I know, this is held at Warwick Records Office - but > there's > 'but'... *Many* Tithe Plans do not mark place names, giving numbers > nstead - I don't know what Packwood might have done - but the Tithe > pportionment of the Parish contains a [sort-of] key to the numbers, and > dentifies the places by their names, down to individual field level. The > atch here is that the Apportionment is unlikely to be in numerical > order, > nd needs to be read - although they have been indexed online at < > ttp://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice > and clicking on "Online > atalogues and Databases" on the left-hand sidebar. > Searching for "Packwood Common" provides 21 'hits' with > quite-widely-varying > lot Numbers between 386 and 464 - and *none* of the 'Occupiers' are there > amed WARNER. But there *should* be enough information on the Plan to > narrow > he search down to a comparatively small area. > > inally - but no more than a FWIW - the present-day 1:25,000 does show a > Packwood Moor" at Grid Ref SP 169 735. But this could weel be no more than > oincidence.... > HTH > Gus > > > > ist archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 09:11 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: >Hi to the list, > >I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a >mystery and finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal >great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to >knock down this brick wall for so long now, about 8 years on and >off, and would either like to solve this or else resign myself to >the fact that it is unsolvable! > >Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. >Martin, at 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 >year old born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of >James ADAMS, 32, then a Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, >Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed >simple enough, but their marriage certificate shows that James and >Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on the birth >cert of further children) did not marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. >John's, Birmingham. Are you sure that the marriage record is the right one? Or another theory - is it possible that it is this coupld Warwickshire > Aston > Deritend > District 1c > 10 There's a James Adams in the 1851 census, shown as married to a Mary Ann both with an age of 20. His occupation is given as "ticket writer" If they were living together but didn't marry because they were under age OR possibly he was under age but an orphan and didn't have anyone to consent to marriage available. Because this James's brother Abraham, age 11, is shown as living with them - lots of possible reasons but one reason might be that Abraham and James's parents are dead. (If the ages when they actually married (if those are correct). My greatgrandfather and his wife did not marry until he turned 21 because of the lack of any relative to consent - (His mother died when he was an infant, his father when he was 13 and his stepmother when he was 17, which is why this scenario comes to mind.

Don't forget that there is now a Version 3 of the NBI :-) First time buyers = £30 Upgrade from v2 = £15 - see the FFHS website for details Also see their website for details of coverage Heather Gus Tysoe wrote: > Hello J, > > Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of > the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent > than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( > > Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, > which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the > certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the > actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes > they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the burial > or cremation is to be held. > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> > To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM > Subject: [WAR] Burial Index > > > >> Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? >> >> I am looking for the burials for the following two people, >> >> Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father >> George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) >> >> Many thanks, >> >> J

Hello Patricia, I'm not entirely sure if this will be of great assistance, but Stretton under Fosse and Aston Magna are in the administratively-tangled area where GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all used to meet and intermingle. Stretton under Fosse was the most southerly portion of an "island" of WAR that was sandwiched between 2 "islands" of WOR and a pair of "almost-islands" of GLS until as recently as 1931... In the Grand Reshuffling of County Boundaries at that time, Stretton under Fosse remained in WAR. Aston Magna was a hamlet within the [Civil] Parish of Blockley - SuF's southern "island neighbour" - which was in WOR to 1931, and thereafter in GLS. However, it was created as a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in 1847, so there's a faint possibility he may have been baptised there or in Blockley. Both places were in Shipston on Stour Registration District. One other question. Does their marriage certificate give their father's names and occupations? These just might help in tracing James and Mary Ann in earlier censuses. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia A" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:11 AM Subject: [WAR] ADAMS Family > Hi to the list, > > I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a mystery and > finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal great-grandfather, > Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to knock down this brick > wall for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and would either like to > solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > > Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. Martin, at > 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old born in > Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a > Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of > Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed simple enough, but their marriage > certificate shows that James and Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage > cert but Grouman on the birth cert of further children) did not marry > until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > > To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or baptism > for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely not one of the > Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both James & Mary Ann were > recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of marriage. There is no > birth registration under GROUMAN, which I checked in case he was Mary > Ann's child born out of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace her > on the 1851. I should mention also that there was a 5 year gap between > Herbert's approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with > James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on > 28 Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > > I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in > 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and Herbert's > occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death > certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse Infirmary with a cause of > death as cirrhosis of the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as > 50 years. > > I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that if I > looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might have > overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or assistance > would be so very much appreciated. > > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello J, Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the burial or cremation is to be held. Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: [WAR] Burial Index > Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? > > I am looking for the burials for the following two people, > > Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father > George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) > > Many thanks, > > J > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? I am looking for the burials for the following two people, Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) Many thanks, J

Ellen Just to add the various spelling >> Pachwaud - Pacwode - Packewode, Paggewod or Pakkewode. The name comes from Paca's wood', ( H T H ( from Warwickshire Place Names ) betty oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Packwood Thanks > To all who answered my e-mail and went out of their way to help, many > thanks to you all, you've been wonderful. > Best Regards, > Ellen > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2742 - Release Date: 03/13/10 05:33:00

Have you considered that Herbert may have been the illegitimate child of James ADAMS by another woman and registered in her name or the child of another member of his family that he had taken on - someone in the police force would have been better placed financially than an agricultural worker, for instance. Aston Magna is very close to Stretton. Do you know where James was in 1851? The fact that he declared himself a bachelor does not necessarily mean he was! At 32 he could well have been married or been living with several women before 1855 and who in Birmingham would have known? I have several examples where I know for sure the man was not telling the truth about his status. MAR in France. > Message du 13/03/10 04:19 > De : "Patricia A" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] ADAMS Family > > > Hi to the list, > > I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a mystery and finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to knock down this brick wall for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and would either like to solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > > Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. Martin, at 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed simple enough, but their marriage certificate shows that James and Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on the birth cert of further children) did not marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > > To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or baptism for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely not one of the Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both James & Mary Ann were recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of marriage. There is no birth registration under GROUMAN, which I checked in case he was Mary Ann's child born out of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace her on the 1851. I should mention also that there was a 5 year gap between Herbert's approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on 28 Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > > I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and Herbert's occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse Infirmary with a cause of death as cirrhosis of the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as 50 years. > > I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that if I looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might have overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or assistance would be so very much appreciated. > > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >