Hello To the List, Is anyone out there researching the UTTING Surname from 1605 to 1900. This is a very uncommon surname in the Counties of Warwickshire, Dby. Stf. & Leic. UK Love to hear from anyone. Regards Olga Utting Muchea, West. Aust. Website - www.endersliehouse.com.au

Am sending off-list image from non-conformist register concerning Blackwell-Henston. Birth took place in Staffordshire. MAR in France. > Message du 14/03/10 18:08 > De : "Meg Hoppe" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : [WAR] Alice HENSTON or HENSTONE > > > Hi > I am trying to trace my GGG grandmother Alice HENSTON[E]. She may have been > from Coventry since she married William BLACKWELL in 1818 in St Michaels > Coventry. Her father was John HENSTON[E] according to the baptism of her son > James in 1829. She was born about 1795. > > I have not been able to find much information about Alice. According to > family stories, she died en route to Canada in 1840. The passenger record > gives her age as 45. Apparently she survived the voyage, but one of her > sons did not. His death is recorded on the passenger manifest. > > There were only two children born to William and Alice as far as I can tell, > William in 1823 and James in 1827. > > Does anyone have records of for any HENSTON[E]S in the Coventry area. The > family probably were nonconformist. > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Olga I have some UTTINGS in my family tree in Norfolk. John UTTING married Rachel LEEDS in 1770. Rachel died in 1773. The only suriving child Martha died in 1829, apparently unmarried. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Olga Utting <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello To the List, > > Is anyone out there researching the UTTING Surname from 1605 to 1900. This > is a very uncommon surname in the Counties of Warwickshire, Dby. Stf. & > Leic. UK > > Love to hear from anyone. > > Regards Olga Utting > > Muchea, West. Aust. > >

Interesting point. Please share any response you receive :-) Heather Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Heather > > I have asked the FFHS why there isn't a reduced price for those that bought > the Version 1 (at nearly as much as the V3 is) > > Seems rather unfair to me > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > Don't forget that there is now a Version 3 of the NBI :-) > First time buyers = £30 > Upgrade from v2 = £15 - see the FFHS website for details > Also see their website for details of coverage > Heather > >

I have the JEFFS family living in Greyfriars Lane over the years - at number 11, 60 & 70, from census records. Some of them were buried in London Road Civic Cemetery (I found the info in Family History on line). I have a note to say the records are at Canley Crematorium on 024 764 18055. Penny Courtney Searching in Coventry for JEFFS & ESSEX > > Hello Listers, > > I am new to this list and am researching Susan, or sometimes Susannah, > Girdlestone, nee Waterfall. She married Henry Girdlestone about 1850 but > I > cannot find her marriage. She had one daughter Cecilia who married John > West. In the 1891 census, aged 79, Susan was living in Spon Street, > St. > Michael Parish, Coventry with her daughter and family. > > Does anyone know in which cemetary she is likely to be buried and whether > there are any MIs on the internet. I think she died about 1893, Dec. > quarter. I don't live in the area and know nothing about it. > > Grateful for any help. > Gwyneth >

I've just noticed that Southam Marriages are now available on FreeREG, although the latest update does not show this. Pam T

Hi Gwyneth Hope the following helps..... Best wishes, Carole Susannah wasn't married by 1861... Census for 1861 ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Registration District Census Place Piece Folio Page 400 Coventry St John St Michael RG9/ 2202 92 7 Household: 40 Cow Lane ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Forename Surname Sex Rel Cond Age County Parish Ocupation Henry GRIDLESTONE M Head UN 39 NFK Lyn Regis Plumber Susan WATERFALL F Vist UN 40 WAR Coventry Dressmaker Cecilia WATERFALL F Vist - 8 WAR Coventry - ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ ..although by 1871 she was calling herself a widow.... Census for 1871 ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Registration District Census Place Piece Folio Page 393 Coventry St John with St Michael RG10/ 3176 20 10 Household: 35 Grey Friars Lane ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Forename Surname Sex Rel Cond Age County Parish Ocupation Susan GIRILLESTONE F Head WID 56 - Coventry Trinity Parish Dress Maker Cecrlia GIRILLESTONE F Daur UN 18 - Coventry St Michael Valentine Maker William CROFTS M Bord - 7 - London Scholar ____________________________________________________________________________ _______________________ Birth & Baptisms at West Orchard Independent Chapel, Coventry 08.05.1812 16.03.1812 Waterfall Susan Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 27.08.1815 10.09.1814 Waterfall Caroline Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 09.12.1816 05.11.1816 Waterfall William Oughton Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 01.04.1818 31.03.18?? Waterfall Elizabeth Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 14.10.1819 21.09.1819 Waterfall Nathaniel Nathaniel & Anna Holy Trinity 17.11.1822 16.09.1822 Waterfall Martha Jane Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 22.06.1824 18.03.1824 Waterfall Mary Ann Nathaniel & Hannah Holy Trinity 20.02.1828 20.08.1827 Waterfall James Nathaniel & Hannah St. Michael Mary Waterfall [buried with Susannah] appears to be the wife of William Waterfall, Susan's brother...and is probably Mary Seymour, married in Sept. Q 1846, Coventry. Census for 1871 ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Registration District Census Place Piece Folio Page 393 Coventry St Michael with St Thomas RG10/ 3178 46 11 Household: 32 Hertford Place ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ Forename Surname Sex Rel Cond Age County Parish Ocupation William WATERFALL M Head M 54 WAR Coventry Silk Weaver Mary WATERFALL F Wife M 70 WAR Honily Laundress ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Gwyn Sent: 14 March 2010 10:38 To: [email protected] Subject: [WAR] Girdlestone Hello Listers, I am new to this list and am researching Susan, or sometimes Susannah, Girdlestone, nee Waterfall. She married Henry Girdlestone about 1850 but I cannot find her marriage. She had one daughter Cecilia who married John West. In the 1891 census, aged 79, Susan was living in Spon Street, St. Michael Parish, Coventry with her daughter and family. Does anyone know in which cemetary she is likely to be buried and whether there are any MIs on the internet. I think she died about 1893, Dec. quarter. I don't live in the area and know nothing about it. Grateful for any help. Gwyneth List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to Peter's message.. Susan Gudlestone was buried 06.10.1893 aged 82, from Spon Street, St. John Baptist, Coventry. Also in the grave was Mary Waterfall, buried 11.12.1878 aged 77, from Hertford Place, St. Thomas, Coventry. The grave is located in square 76, number 278 Best wishes Carole -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Peter Gainsborough Sent: 14 March 2010 11:50 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WAR] Girdlestone Hello Gwyneth, According to version 3 of the National Burial Index, there is the burial of a Susan GUDLESTONE on 6 October, 1893 at London Road Civic Cemetery, Coventry. I hope this helps. Peter List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patricia Starveall is quite a common place or farm name, across the country - and there is still a Starveall Farm reasonably near Ebrington, just to the west of Hidcote Boyce. It's shown on the 1:25,000 OS map, which can be viewed at www.multimap.com John On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Patricia A <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Again, thank you for posting suggestions regarding our ADAMS family. I > have been quite sure that James ADAMS, baptised 14 Mar 1791, Honington, was > the father of James ADAMS, my husband's 2 x great grandfather, but will > endeavour to go through all of my material again, to make sure that I have > not missed anything. On the 1841 census for Ebrington, Glos., I found > James Adams b.1791, his wife, Elizabeth (formerly Gardner), sons James Jr., > and William plus a granddaughter, Maria Adams, base-born daughter of Sarah > Adams who is now married to Stephen Harris and living next door to this > family. Their address has been transcribed on Find My Past as "Starve All" > probably an apt name for some places in those days! I have to say it looks > as though it is the correct transcription, but I am not 100% sure of that as > I cannot quite decipher it myself. It is census number HO 107/360/30 Folio > 10 Page 15. James Sr. died 4 July 1846 and was buried 6 July 1846, both > events in Stretton on Fosse. I have the death certificate in my > possession. Cause of death Peritonitis, 24 hours. > I do know that James Adams, Police Officer is one and the same as James > Adams, Cab Proprietor, so know that I am on the right trail with him. > Addresses match up to marriage & birth certificates, ages, father's name > and occupation, census records, etc. It's the search for the elusive birth > registration of Herbert! > > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Lynn. This family was transcribed as GREENMAN on Find My Past and further research on earlier census, BMD and IGI shows that to be their name, unfortunately. Patricia ________________________________ From: Lynn Calvin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 12:28:49 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family I've sent a copy of the census page to you, but they are in Loch House in Wiltshire > Dauntsey > District 14 > Page 21. (My theory on this was that she was from Wiltshire so I searched Wiltshire for Grauman.) I have had a several cases where women gave birth to children not where they were living with their husbands, but at the homes of mothers, sisters, brothers, aunts or uncles, etc. The child may even self report as being from where he or she grew up. At 10:37 PM 3/13/2010, you wrote: >Lynn, >I have searched for this family on Find My Past in the 1871 census >and just cannot locate them, even searching with variations of the >name. Would you kindly let me know what their address is? Maybe I >can locate them that way. >Thanks, >Patricia > > > > >________________________________ >From: Lynn Calvin <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 4:55:12 PM >Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family > >I'd also chase the Grauman's in Wiltshire in the 1871 census >Household Members: >Name Age >James Grauman 30 >Ann Grauman 36 >Sarah Grauman 12 >Joseph Grauman 10 >Thomas Grauman 8 >Mary Ann Grauman 61 > >There's another Mary Ann there - may just be coincidence. > >But > >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gwyneth, According to version 3 of the National Burial Index, there is the burial of a Susan GUDLESTONE on 6 October, 1893 at London Road Civic Cemetery, Coventry. I hope this helps. Peter

Hi Heather I have asked the FFHS why there isn't a reduced price for those that bought the Version 1 (at nearly as much as the V3 is) Seems rather unfair to me Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Don't forget that there is now a Version 3 of the NBI :-) First time buyers = £30 Upgrade from v2 = £15 - see the FFHS website for details Also see their website for details of coverage Heather

Unsubscribing while we have a break. sandra

Hello Listers, I am new to this list and am researching Susan, or sometimes Susannah, Girdlestone, nee Waterfall. She married Henry Girdlestone about 1850 but I cannot find her marriage. She had one daughter Cecilia who married John West. In the 1891 census, aged 79, Susan was living in Spon Street, St. Michael Parish, Coventry with her daughter and family. Does anyone know in which cemetary she is likely to be buried and whether there are any MIs on the internet. I think she died about 1893, Dec. quarter. I don't live in the area and know nothing about it. Grateful for any help. Gwyneth

Hi Carole You can use a program called VirtualCD which loads the disk 1 data to a virtual disk drive on your computer and you never have to use disk 1 again. Mike in Droitwich Carole Eales wrote: > Hi > > If we have to send disc 1 back for the upgrade, any suggestions how we > access the current version without disc 1 in the CD drive for the 28 days > suggested delivery date ? > > Carole > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On > Behalf Of The Quineys > Sent: 13 March 2010 15:29 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Burial Index > > Don't forget that there is now a Version 3 of the NBI :-) > First time buyers = £30 > Upgrade from v2 = £15 - see the FFHS website for details > Also see their website for details of coverage > Heather > > > > Gus Tysoe wrote: >> Hello J, >> >> Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of >> the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent >> than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( >> >> Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, >> which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the >> certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the >> actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes >> they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the > burial >> or cremation is to be held. >> >> Gus >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> >> To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM >> Subject: [WAR] Burial Index >> >> >> >>> Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? >>> >>> I am looking for the burials for the following two people, >>> >>> Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father >>> George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> J > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi If we have to send disc 1 back for the upgrade, any suggestions how we access the current version without disc 1 in the CD drive for the 28 days suggested delivery date ? Carole -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of The Quineys Sent: 13 March 2010 15:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WAR] Burial Index Don't forget that there is now a Version 3 of the NBI :-) First time buyers = £30 Upgrade from v2 = £15 - see the FFHS website for details Also see their website for details of coverage Heather Gus Tysoe wrote: > Hello J, > > Unfortunately you're far too modern for the NBI - there are *very* few of > the WAR burial grounds that are included that have any dates more recent > than 1901 - and none of those are anywhere near Birmingham :-( > > Bear in mind that the place names you quote are Registration Districts, > which include *many* possible burial grounds. It may help you to buy the > certificates (which should give both their residential addresses and the > actual dates of death) and then search Birmingham Newspapers in the hopes > they'll include a death announcement and [less frequently] where the burial > or cremation is to be held. > > Gus > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Langshaw" <[email protected]> > To: "Warwickshire Geneology" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 2:38 PM > Subject: [WAR] Burial Index > > > >> Can anyone help me with the National Burial Index? >> >> I am looking for the burials for the following two people, >> >> Harold Ernest Langshaw, died 1972, Birmingham (3rd Qtr) & his father >> George Langshaw, died 1947, Aston (B'ham) (4th Qtr) >> >> Many thanks, >> >> J List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am trying to trace my GGG grandmother Alice HENSTON[E]. She may have been from Coventry since she married William BLACKWELL in 1818 in St Michaels Coventry. Her father was John HENSTON[E] according to the baptism of her son James in 1829. She was born about 1795. I have not been able to find much information about Alice. According to family stories, she died en route to Canada in 1840. The passenger record gives her age as 45. Apparently she survived the voyage, but one of her sons did not. His death is recorded on the passenger manifest. There were only two children born to William and Alice as far as I can tell, William in 1823 and James in 1827. Does anyone have records of for any HENSTON[E]S in the Coventry area. The family probably were nonconformist.

Hello Patricia, Strange My husband is from the Adams family in Coventry and also Bedworth. Dick Crack adams his great grand father was a cab proprietor in Bedworth. In your time frame. Do you belong to Genes reunited as it would be an idea to ask him if he can help at all. Jacqui Saturday, March 13, 2010, 3:11:29 AM, you wrote: > Hi to the list, > I am looking for any suggestions that might help me to solve a > mystery and finally confirm the origins of my husbands paternal > great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I have been trying to > knock down this brick wall for so long now, about 8 years on and > off, and would either like to solve this or else resign myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for Birmingham, St. > Martin, at 62, Church Street - RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 > year old born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as a son of > James ADAMS, 32, then a Police Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, > Warks. and Mary A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that seemed > simple enough, but their marriage certificate shows that James and > Mary Ann GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on the birth > cert of further children) did not marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > To this date I have been unable to find a birth registration or > baptism for Herbert to prove his maternal line. He is definitely > not one of the Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and both > James & Mary Ann were recorded as bachelor & spinster at the time of > marriage. There is no birth registration under GROUMAN, which I > checked in case he was Mary Ann's child born out of wedlock, > although I have been unable to trace her on the 1851. I should > mention also that there was a 5 year gap between Herbert's > approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 children with James. > Mary Ann died on 18 Jan 1866 and James married again that year on 28 > Jul 1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of Husband's Bosworth, > Leics, in 1880 on which his father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor > and Herbert's occupation also as Cab Proprietor. Plus I have > Herbert's death certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse > Infirmary with a cause of death as cirrhosis of the liver and > cardiac failure. His age was given as 50 years. > I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while now, hoping that > if I looked at it with fresh eyes, I might find something I might > have overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any advice or > assistance would be so very much appreciated. > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Selkie mailto:[email protected]

Blockley is now in Gloucestershire and many parish records are on line, including baptisms up to 1812, on http://members.shaw.ca/panthers5/BlockleyRecords MAR in France. > Message du 13/03/10 17:18 > De : "Patricia A" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family > > > Hello Guy, > Thank you for your response and for the great information on SuF. Being an ex-Bristolian married to a someone from Redditch, I have visited that area often, but unfortunately at a time many years ago when we were still in the UK and family history was not a passion of mine! That being said, I had an idea that it was one of those places that "belonged" to a specific county depending on the time of the census, which does make things a little more convoluted, especially when researching out here and not being able to get to the register offices to check things out. > > On the marriage of James Adams and Mary Ann Grouman/Gromore, James at 26 was recorded as living on Tindal St. at the time of his marriage and was a police officer. His father was recorded as James Adams, farmer, which is stretching things a little as he was an agricultural labourer in SuF. I have that line going back quite some way as they were in the Honington, Stretton area for many years. Mary Ann was 24, living on Vyse St. and a servant. Father's name Nathan Gromore, Pawnbroker, who actually appears to be Nachum Grouman, travelling jeweller from Poland, who, on the 1851 census in lodging in Wedmore, Somerset, age 62 and recorded as single. His "wife" Mary GOURMAN on the 1851 for Dean Street, Birmingham, St. Martin, is recorded as "widow" from Shearston, Glos, and in lodgings with her youngest daughter, Elizabeth, born in Northleach. On the occasion of Elizabeth's marriage to John Bint in 1851, which is recorded on IGI, he is shown as John > Grouman, bricklayer, a convenient coincidence to the fact that John's father, also John Bint is a bricklayer! However, the Grouman saga is another problem for another time. > > I think I should check out the baptisms for Blockley so can you please tell me what county it is in today? > > Thanks so muc, > Patricia > Almonte, ON > Canada > > > ________________________________ > From: Gus Tysoe > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 10:28:33 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] ADAMS Family > > Hello Patricia, > > I'm not entirely sure if this will be of great assistance, but Stretton > under Fosse and Aston Magna are in the administratively-tangled area where > GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all used to meet and intermingle. > > Stretton under Fosse was the most southerly portion of an "island" of WAR > that was sandwiched between 2 "islands" of WOR and a pair of > "almost-islands" of GLS until as recently as 1931... In the Grand > Reshuffling of County Boundaries at that time, Stretton under Fosse remained > in WAR. > > Aston Magna was a hamlet within the [Civil] Parish of Blockley - SuF's > southern "island neighbour" - which was in WOR to 1931, and thereafter in > GLS. However, it was created as a separate Ecclesiastical Parish in 1847, so > there's a faint possibility he may have been baptised there or in Blockley. > > Both places were in Shipston on Stour Registration District. > > > One other question. Does their marriage certificate give their father's > names and occupations? These just might help in tracing James and Mary Ann > in earlier censuses. > > Gus > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Ok, so I took a look at Aston Magna. •Original source material relating to Aston Magna, and other parishes in Diocese of Gloucester may be found at the Gloucestershire Record Office. Gazetteers •"ASTON MAGNA, a hamlet in the parish of Blockley, upper division of the hundred of Oswaldslow, in the county of Worcester, but surrounded by the county of Gloucester, 2 miles to the N. of Moreton-in-the-Marsh. The old Fosse Way passes near it. The living is a perpetual curacy in the diocese of Worcester, value £105, in the patronage of Lord Redesdale. The church is dedicated to St. John." [Description from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868) transcribed by Colin Hinson ©2003] Historical Geography •"Ecclesiastical parish formed from Blockley, 1847. Vicarage united with Blockley since 1948." (Ref: Guide to the Parish Records of the City of Bristol and the County of Gloucester; I. Gray & E. Ralph, 1963) So even though his family said Worcester in the census, it looks like the records might be in Glocester. I have found people on familysearch.org using the Hugh Wallis IGI batch numbers and browsing through likely locations that I haven't been able to find any other way. I don't know why. Sometimes it's variant spellings. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm It's tedious. At 09:11 PM 3/12/2010, Patricia A wrote: >Hi to the list, > >I am looking for any suggestions that might help >me to solve a mystery and finally confirm the >origins of my husbands paternal >great-grandfather, Herbert ADAMS, b.c. 1851. I >have been trying to knock down this brick wall >for so long now, about 8 years on and off, and >would either like to solve this or else resign >myself to the fact that it is unsolvable! > >Herbert first appeared on the 1861 census for >Birmingham, St. Martin, at 62, Church Street - >RG 9/2152 Folio 80, Page 13, as a 9 year old >born in Aston Magna, Worcs. He was recorded as >a son of James ADAMS, 32, then a Police >Constable of Stretton-on-Fosse, Warks. and Mary >A. Adams, 28, of Chippenham, Wilts. Now that >seemed simple enough, but their marriage >certificate shows that James and Mary Ann >GROUMAN (Gromore on marriage cert but Grouman on >the birth cert of further children) did not >marry until 17 Oct 1855, St. John's, Birmingham. > >To this date I have been unable to find a birth >registration or baptism for Herbert to prove his >maternal line. He is definitely not one of the >Herbert ADAMS registered around that time and >both James & Mary Ann were recorded as bachelor >& spinster at the time of marriage. There is no >birth registration under GROUMAN, which I >checked in case he was Mary Ann's child born out >of wedlock, although I have been unable to trace >her on the 1851. I should mention also that >there was a 5 year gap between Herbert's >approximate birth and the birth of Mary Ann's 4 >children with James. Mary Ann died on 18 Jan >1866 and James married again that year on 28 Jul >1866 to another Mary, this time Mary PERRY of Eaton, Shropshire. > >I have Herbert's marriage to Ann TEEAR of >Husband's Bosworth, Leics, in 1880 on which his >father is James ADAMS, Cab Proprietor and >Herbert's occupation also as Cab >Proprietor. Plus I have Herbert's death >certificate from 1901 in Birmingham Workhouse >Infirmary with a cause of death as cirrhosis of >the liver and cardiac failure. His age was given as 50 years. > >I have had this on the "back-burner" for a while >now, hoping that if I looked at it with fresh >eyes, I might find something I might have >overlooked, but no such luck. As mentioned, any >advice or assistance would be so very much appreciated. > >Patricia >Almonte, ON >Canada >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to [email protected] with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message