Hello Betty, It does rather look that way. :-( I am at Birmingham library at present - I will investigate from home this evening. In the meantime we are on "emergency moderation" until I get to the bottom of it. Regards Peter Richardson Warwick Admin On 20 March 2010 09:03, Roy & Betty Mullett <[email protected]> wrote: > I think we have some spam coming though on the list. > Betty > Canada >

Hello, I'm relatively new to the search, but have hit a wall when trying to research further back for my 6times great-grandfather Henry Hammersley's birth and parents. Henry Hammersley was born around 1761. He married to Sarah Butcher 17 July 1785 in Bedworth Independent Chapel and they had 4 children, Hannah b1787, Martha b1789, Henry b1796, Diana aka Dinah 1798. This is according to Bedworth parish records and the 1821 Census. Henry was a silk weaver, so I believe his father or parents probably were also. Henry died January 1824 in Bedworth. Does anyone have suggestions where I might start looking for Henry's parents? Any suggestions are very welcome as the possibilities are daunting! Huguenot connection through Spitalfields is a possibility, but that's only a guess, and how would I know how/where to look for that connection? Thanks in advance, Vicki D.

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Yes, I'm aware of that website. The problem, as I see it, is that there isn't a Plaistow anywhere near Banbury which is where the surname was heavily concentrated. The early London Plesters did, however, live very close to Plaistow and they were Huguenots - which brings me back to looking for a Banbury/Huguenot link. Interestingly, the surname also exists in Germany - where it is rare enough that I know of one husband who took his wife's name at marriage - she being a Plester. So I suppose the next question is; does anyone know if there's a town called Plaistow in Germany ? Best wishes, John Plester. Also researching Joines, Taplin, and Tew, in OXF Website: www.plesterfamilyhistory.org > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:01:06 +0000 > Subject: Re: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? > > try the database. Plester is on there. > > www.surnamedb.com > > Penny > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Plester" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:17 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? > > > > > That's a very good point, especially with the 'er' ending - often a > > pointer to an occupational name. And I suppose I could live with a plush > > weaving background. > > > > > > > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

try the database. Plester is on there. www.surnamedb.com Penny -------------------------------------------------- From: "John Plester" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 7:17 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? > > That's a very good point, especially with the 'er' ending - often a > pointer to an occupational name. And I suppose I could live with a plush > weaving background. > > >

That's a very good point, especially with the 'er' ending - often a pointer to an occupational name. And I suppose I could live with a plush weaving background. Best wishes, John Plester > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:27:49 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? > > Dear John > > Is it possible that Plester is an occupational surname associated with plush? Plush-maker, plush-dealer, or something like that might perhaps have mutated into Plester. > > Sean > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Plester <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:05:07 AM > Subject: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? > > > I realize this is a pretty localized question to be raising on this List, but "Banburyshire" did stray over the border a bit. > > > So what I'm wondering is this; does anyone know of any strong links between the early Huguenot immigrants and the Banburyshire area ? > > > I'm aware that the Banbury MP, at the time of Elizabeth I, raised funds to support the Huguenots and that a good deal of the town's plush was exported to France - but these are somewhat tenuous links. > > What I'm looking for, is any link between the Banbury surname PLESTER and the Huguenots. > > At the time of the 1841 census, Banbury accounted for 31% of the PLESTER records and a massive 75% of all Plesters lived within a 20 mile radius of the town. > > London accounted for just 10% - and they were Huguenot (the French Hospital has a number of Plester records). > > But what I've never managed to do, is establish a link (other than the plush trade to France via London) between the two groups. > > I realize that the two groups could have different origins for the surname - but the earliest references I've found for the name are both dated 1613 - one in London and one in Banburyshire ! And I'm inclined to the view that a simultaneous creation of a new and enduring surname (or new and enduring spelling of an older name) in both places is a little unlikely - not impossible, but unlikely given that it's a rare name occurring only six times per million of the population (in 1841). > > Any thoughts would be welcome. > > Best wishes, > > John Plester (www.plesterfamilyhistory.org) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

No John, there is not. I have researched Middle Ages to present, that community does not exist in Germany. JR

I realize this is a pretty localized question to be raising on this List, but "Banburyshire" did stray over the border a bit. So what I'm wondering is this; does anyone know of any strong links between the early Huguenot immigrants and the Banburyshire area ? I'm aware that the Banbury MP, at the time of Elizabeth I, raised funds to support the Huguenots and that a good deal of the town's plush was exported to France - but these are somewhat tenuous links. What I'm looking for, is any link between the Banbury surname PLESTER and the Huguenots. At the time of the 1841 census, Banbury accounted for 31% of the PLESTER records and a massive 75% of all Plesters lived within a 20 mile radius of the town. London accounted for just 10% - and they were Huguenot (the French Hospital has a number of Plester records). But what I've never managed to do, is establish a link (other than the plush trade to France via London) between the two groups. I realize that the two groups could have different origins for the surname - but the earliest references I've found for the name are both dated 1613 - one in London and one in Banburyshire ! And I'm inclined to the view that a simultaneous creation of a new and enduring surname (or new and enduring spelling of an older name) in both places is a little unlikely - not impossible, but unlikely given that it's a rare name occurring only six times per million of the population (in 1841). Any thoughts would be welcome. Best wishes, John Plester (www.plesterfamilyhistory.org) _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Dear John Is it possible that Plester is an occupational surname associated with plush? Plush-maker, plush-dealer, or something like that might perhaps have mutated into Plester. Sean ________________________________ From: John Plester <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:05:07 AM Subject: [WAR] Is there a Huguenot link to Banburyshire ? I realize this is a pretty localized question to be raising on this List, but "Banburyshire" did stray over the border a bit. So what I'm wondering is this; does anyone know of any strong links between the early Huguenot immigrants and the Banburyshire area ? I'm aware that the Banbury MP, at the time of Elizabeth I, raised funds to support the Huguenots and that a good deal of the town's plush was exported to France - but these are somewhat tenuous links. What I'm looking for, is any link between the Banbury surname PLESTER and the Huguenots. At the time of the 1841 census, Banbury accounted for 31% of the PLESTER records and a massive 75% of all Plesters lived within a 20 mile radius of the town. London accounted for just 10% - and they were Huguenot (the French Hospital has a number of Plester records). But what I've never managed to do, is establish a link (other than the plush trade to France via London) between the two groups. I realize that the two groups could have different origins for the surname - but the earliest references I've found for the name are both dated 1613 - one in London and one in Banburyshire ! And I'm inclined to the view that a simultaneous creation of a new and enduring surname (or new and enduring spelling of an older name) in both places is a little unlikely - not impossible, but unlikely given that it's a rare name occurring only six times per million of the population (in 1841). Any thoughts would be welcome. Best wishes, John Plester (www.plesterfamilyhistory.org) _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Sorry to bother you, but I'm trying to contact Teresa Alexander who was on this list in 2003. If anyone knows her whereabouts or contact email, I'd be grateful of an email off-list Many thanks & Happy Hunting Pickard Trepess Researching PICKARD in Warwickshire & TREPESS worldwide

Hi all, I anyone has the following names connected to Rawlins I'd love to hear from you. BROOME, STEADMAN, BONNING AND COLLETT I'm double checking on Collect, but am 99% sure. Kind Regards Carol

Hello To the List, I was the one who originally sent an email to the List a couple of days ago asking the question below.......... Is anyone out there researching the UTTING Surname from 1600 to 1900. This is a very uncommon surname in the Counties of Warwickshire, Dby. Stf. & Leic. UK 1735 / 1749 - Joseph UTTING (UTTEN) was born around this date, place unknown, both parents unknown. His birth is a mystery to me, years ago I looked for a birth in the records of every County in England without success.......... 1765 - Joseph UTTING'S (UTTEN'S) 1st marriage to - Dorothy CLARKE, they were married on the 11th March, 1765 at St. Mary & St. Barlok Church, Norbury and Roston, Derbyshire, Eng. (by license). Witness to their marriage were Richard Hallows (correct name Fallows) and Thomas Hartshorn. 1772 - Dorothy UTTING nee CLARKE died 31st Dec. 1772 (age 42 years). She was buried in the churchyard of the St. Mary & St. Barlok Church, Norbury, Dby. Eng. where she was married 7 years before. (no headstone found). 1776 - Joseph UTTING'S 2nd marriage was by license to Mary BURTON on the 8th June, 1776 at the Parish of Cubley, Derbyshire. Eng. Love to hear from anyone. MY JOSEPH UTTING......... 1735 / 1749 - Joseph UTTING (UTTEN) was born around this date, place unknown, both parents unknown. His birth is a mystery to me, I have looked in the records of every County in England without success.......... 1st MARRIAGE.......... 1765 - Joseph UTTING'S (UTTEN'S) 1st marriage to - Dorothy CLARKE, they were married on the 11th March, 1765 at St. Mary & St. Barlok Church, Norbury and Roston, Derbyshire, England. (by license). Witness to their marriage were Richard Hallows (correct name Fallows) and Thomas Hartshorn. They had 3 children. 1st wife died......... 1772 - Dorothy UTTING nee CLARKE died 31st Dec. 1772 (age 42 years). She was buried in the churchyard of the St. Mary & St. Barlok Church, Norbury, Dby. Eng. where she was married 7 years before. (no headstone found). 2nd MARRIAGE........... 1776 - Joseph UTTING'S 2nd marriage was by license to Mary BURTON on the 8th June, 1776 at the Parish of Cubley, Derbyshire. Eng. They had 8 children. Does anyone have any connections to my UTTTING'S out there............... or researching Utting's in the County of Warwickshire. Many years ago I had a Professional Reseacher who found these 2 Wills in the Wks. Records and decided to get copies for me in case they were mine with later researching down the line. My Joseph Utting above may have come from Wks. WILLS - I have OLD WILLS of two UTTING's in Coventry, Warwickshire, England. Dated 12th February, 1590 for a John Uttinge and another. Dated 8th Dec. 1626 for a Joseph Utting. Regards Olga Utting Muchea (Perth), Western Australia. Website - www.endersliehouse.com.au

Hi again Mike No fight required thank you <g> It was just from your first post that it implied there were no UTTINGs other than Norfolk so just wanted to point out the deficiencies of the surname atlas with regard to the more unusual names With insufficient information one can sometimes draw an incorrect conclusion It is certainly significant that over 50% of the UTTINGs were in Norfolk in 1881 There are 811 UTTINGs in the 1881 census of which 463 were born in Norfolk, 507 UTTINGs were living in Norfolk (so 57% of UTTINGs were born in Norfolk and 62.5% of UTTINGs were living in Norfolk) Far more than any other County, all the other Counties I checked had a smattering of UTTINGs In 1841 an almost identical percentage were living in Norfolk Using the LDS as a guide is also prone to distortion as not all Parish Registers are extracted to the IGI Not sure what you are using on The National Archives ? Yes you can draw a general picture by using population figures through the years but I would certainly disagree with an assumption that because there was only one of a given name in a certain place it might be the origin of that name, there are far to many variables for that assumption although your research seems to give a good indication in your case The SMITH related to SMITH over the years is something that would require a fair amount of research, frankly I have better things to do with my time <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Nivard, > Well said. I'm not looking for a fight - I don't have the height, > weight or reach. Of course, extracts of the record will often chart the > method of extraction and not much else. But is it not significant that > in 1881 fully 50% of enumerated Uttings were in East Anglia? The LDS > and TNA seems to suggest the same geographical emphasis. What actual > numbers are we looking at? Where did the other 50% say they were born?

Hello Gwyneth, While I very much hope you you won't be disappointed, I feel the chances of there ever having been a memorial stone for its inscription to've been recorded are probably small. The two in the plot - a 77-year-old and an 82-er - were perhaps fortunate to've had sufficent to've bought their own grave in the first place. The likelihood of a [probably] unmarried Mary WATERFALL having sufficient funds behind her to be able to pay for a headstone as well are slight, ignoring the probable financial circumstances of Susannah/Susan :-( Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gwyn" <[email protected]> To: "Warwick" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Girdlestone > Thank you to all who sent information about Susannah (Susan) Girdlestone, > I am very grateful. I will hopefully now find an MI if the headstone is > still there. > > Susan and her daughter Cecilia (born 2.09.1852) seem to be uncertain of > their surname. Both Susannah and Cecilia were Girdlestone on Cecilia's > birth certificate but on Cecilia marriage certificate she is recorded as > Waterfall. The Registrar having started writing Girdlestone but then > crossed it out. I presume Susannah never married but if anyone knows of a > marriage to Henry Girdlestone I would be pleased to know. > > Gwyneth > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all who sent information about Susannah (Susan) Girdlestone, I am very grateful. I will hopefully now find an MI if the headstone is still there. Susan and her daughter Cecilia (born 2.09.1852) seem to be uncertain of their surname. Both Susannah and Cecilia were Girdlestone on Cecilia's birth certificate but on Cecilia marriage certificate she is recorded as Waterfall. The Registrar having started writing Girdlestone but then crossed it out. I presume Susannah never married but if anyone knows of a marriage to Henry Girdlestone I would be pleased to know. Gwyneth

Nivard, Well said. I'm not looking for a fight - I don't have the height, weight or reach. Of course, extracts of the record will often chart the method of extraction and not much else. But is it not significant that in 1881 fully 50% of enumerated Uttings were in East Anglia? The LDS and TNA seems to suggest the same geographical emphasis. What actual numbers are we looking at? Where did the other 50% say they were born? The usefulness of what indeed is a simplistic approach, is that it sets up a hypothesis that can be tested. In the case of my own surname I have found that, working back through the available record, that the references grow fewer as time regresses and converge on C15th Wellesbourne, where I have found (so far) just one reference to a Nason family. Until further evidence is found, it seems reasonable to say that the Nason surname probably originates there. I'd welcome your comment on another aspect of genealogical 'probability'. Given that C15th England had a population of perhaps a tenth of that today, is it not more likely that two Smiths were related then, than it would be today? And in 1881? To paraphrase, 'Let speculation thrive!' Mike Nason Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Mike > > One of the problems with the surname atlas is that it only picks up > incidences of a hundred or more so can paint a distorted picture > > Whilst more than half of the UTTINGs in England are in Norfolk in 1881, > there are at least some in every County I checked in 1881 > > A useful tool but not infallible > > By 1998 there were more of everyone in the Country > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >

Hello Pam and all I have been steadily uploading files to FreeREG in the last 3 weeks or so. These include Southam Marriages to 1920 and baptisms for surnames A to L up to 1920. More will be put online as the Southam Baptism files are completed. (the transcriptions go up to 2006 so I can send info if contacted off list) I have taken on a caretaker's role as the Coordinator for Warwickshire while Dave Newbury is ill. I am working on the parish pages so they show the true status of the Warwickshire files. They have not been updated since I resigned as Coordinator approx 18months ago (due to health and family problems) so there is quite a lot of work to do to get everything up to date. The next database upload will be in approx 4 weeks so I hope by then you will see the latest records online on the Warwickshire parish pages. You may be interested to hear that FreeREG has over 10 Million records online and more have been added since the update last Friday. Warwickshire had 138672 records online at the end of February These consisted of Baptisms 23206 Marriages 62541 Burials 52925 This is a magnificent effort by the handful of volunteers who have worked and are working for Warwickshire. Much of the data available is due to the fantasic efforts of Carole Eales who works on regardless of any problems thrown at her. Thank you #4 ! We believe that the information in the PRs should be available to all without cost and the FreeREG vision is that we shall have all extant registers transcribed and online eventually. So anyone who has transcriptions to donate can contact me and be sure I will upload the files asap . Good hunting everyone. Wendy Boland FreeREG Coordinator for Warwickshrie and answering emails from potential volunteers. [email protected] http://www.freereg.org.uk/search/index.htm I've just noticed that Southam Marriages are now available on FreeREG, although the latest update does not show this. Pam T

Hi Mike One of the problems with the surname atlas is that it only picks up incidences of a hundred or more so can paint a distorted picture Whilst more than half of the UTTINGs in England are in Norfolk in 1881, there are at least some in every County I checked in 1881 A useful tool but not infallible By 1998 there were more of everyone in the Country Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > In the 1881 census the surname Utting seems to be a Norfolk phenomenon - > by 1998 quite wide spread across England. See > http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/ > > MN

In the 1881 census the surname Utting seems to be a Norfolk phenomenon - by 1998 quite wide spread across England. See http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/ MN