Hi Ken Could it be: Amy Elizabeth Bott Marriage, quarter Apr, May, Jun 1893District: Kings NortonVolume 6C >From Ancestry.com I couldn't find one of my great Aunt's who was known as Polly who was actually an Eliza Jane! Lynne ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:50:01 -0400 > Subject: [WAR] Wedding certificate Bott - Powell > > Hello all Listers > > On Oct 3 1893 Elizabeth Bott married Charles W Powell > in perhaps Illshaw Heath, Tanworth in Arden. There is > no record of this marriage in St. Patrick's the local church in > Salter Street where the family held most of their important events. > I have wedding pictures but no confirming document. Would > some kind soul who has access to the records in Solihull see > what they can do. Elizabeth's mother is of course Elizabeth, father Thomas deceased. > All of her previous records were recorded in Solihull and I am hoping this > one is as well. > > Cheers > > Ken > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Where did the marriage take place ? just out of interest. Mike in Droitwich Margaret Walker wrote: > Hi List, I have a marriage cert with no information on the parents of the bride or groom , a query was done and the info said ( that the vicar objected to civil partnership) can someone tell what that means . Regards Margaret > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Margaret, I have to say that 1855 - 18 years after the introduction of Civil Registration of marriages and the required change of wording of the Service - sounds much too long for any Incumbent to hold his objections. 4 or 5 years might be considered stubbornness - but *18*? This smacks of obsession... But - perhaps - to answer your original question, up until 1 July 1837, marriages were considered to be Religious Ceremonies only. For the previous 83 years all marriages - in order to be legal - *had* to be performed in a Church of England church, totally irrespective of the religious beliefs of the couple concerned. [The only exceptions were for Jews or Quakers - whose requirements for qualification of pre-marriage status (and their record-keeping) were accepted as being superior to those required under the 1754 Act.]. Certainly a significant number of CofE clergy - who found their income had dropped as a result of the 1837 Act, which permitted 'dissenting chapels' [once they'd been appropriately licenced] to perform Marriages, as were Registrars for non-believers of all persuasions - objected quite virulently, but they fairly rapidly came to accept the position. I suspect that whoever you'd've initially asked was either guessing - or that that particular Parish was notorious for consistently failing to comply with the 1837 Act. A pity it wasn't explained simply... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Walker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Marriage Cert > Hi, It was 1855 . Margaret > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gus Tysoe" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:04 AM > Subject: Re: [WAR] Marriage Cert > > >> Hello Margaret, >> >> Could you give a date for this? >> >> Could it be shortly after 1837? For this is as probable - from the >> Politically-Correct wording of your enquiry - as around 2008.... >> >> Gus >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Margaret Walker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:58 AM >> Subject: [WAR] Marriage Cert >> >> >>> Hi List, I have a marriage cert with no information on the parents of >>> the >>> bride or groom , a query was done and the info said ( that the vicar >>> objected to civil partnership) can someone tell what that means . >>> Regards >>> Margaret >>> List archives are at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> List archives are at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Pam Thank you very much, I'll get straight on to that! RegardsLynne ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:23:21 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] EDDEN FAO Bob New > > Hi, Lynne > I was lucky enough to get my hands on a transcription of Eydon Baptisms & > Marriages (1538 - 1906) taken from the parish registers by the vicar's wife > in 1906. I have uploaded all the data to FreeReg and it is available at > _www.freereg.org.uk_ (http://www.freereg.org.uk) . > I recall that there were lots of Eddens recorded. > Kind regards > Pam T > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Hello all Listers On Oct 3 1893 Elizabeth Bott married Charles W Powell in perhaps Illshaw Heath, Tanworth in Arden. There is no record of this marriage in St. Patrick's the local church in Salter Street where the family held most of their important events. I have wedding pictures but no confirming document. Would some kind soul who has access to the records in Solihull see what they can do. Elizabeth's mother is of course Elizabeth, father Thomas deceased. All of her previous records were recorded in Solihull and I am hoping this one is as well. Cheers Ken

Dear All I wanted to give something back to the list in general, so I thought I'd send a list of all the surnames that have married into my EDDEN's, or misc. records i have collected. If any one wants more information, please just let me know: MEDDOWES 1596HANCOCK 1608PITTOM 1776HOAR 1817HALL 1756 AND 1619, (1619 IN SWALCLIFFE)CLARK 1721ROSE 1766GOLDBY 1768PERKINSE 1704WINCOTE 1578KING 1697EGLINGTON 1709MORREY 1761CARTER 1673MASON 1796WARMINGTON 1805MARSHALL 1826DAVIS 1637 AND 1657WALKER 1729 AND 1667BECKLEY 1811WEB 1716SUCH 1760FIELD 1760COXE 1583HALL 1756FOWLER 1719SHURLEY 1591UPTON 1914PRESTICH 1587TIMMS 1840LACY 1789ROSE 1766HADLAND 1822bissel 1821whitehead 1797fletcher 1803stokes 1807clark 1721wells 1781 and 1749avery 1702west 1591ward 1756foxe 1605tasker 1834medow 1588brewer 1835hands 1796bayliss 1833 Kind regardsLynne Scaife _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Dear all With a lot of help from the list, I have broken 1 brick wall down, which has been duly replaced with another earlier one: John EDDEN married Hannah PITTOM 19th August 1776 in Brailes.  Hannah was born in Little Compton and must have been 3 months pregnant when she married, if the marriage date is correct, because the 1st sibling was c. February 1777. I am working on the theory that this was John's 1st marriage, because they had 8 children to my knowledge, therefore, John was possibly born round about 1751 ish. I have searched Ancestry and the LDS site and can find no John christened in Brailes, but I actually have a copy of the Wichford PRs for 1749 and I have: John EDDEN bastard son of Mary EDDEN of Stourton, baptised 25 02 1749.  I am wondering whether this is him.If it is, I'm wondering if I could search any poor records for more information about Mary and the father. Brailes PRs were very kindly searched for me by David backin 2005 for baptisms between 1750 and 1760 and there was nothing there, but it's quite possible he could have been born in the decade before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated as your input very often helps me see things more clearly. Kindest regardsLynne Scaife _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Dear Bob and all Thank you for your email re EDDEN. I have been looking at all my EDDEN information to see if I've anything that could help you, but I've found nothing. Can I query with you, you wrote about your brick wall: "William EDDEN who married Hannah KEEN 07 May 1871, both of Chipping Campden.  this may be the same person as William EDEN ch. 04 Oct 1754 at Stretton on Fosse." Can I just query the 1st date with you? Regarding the pronunciation of EDEN, EDDEN, EDON, EADEN etc.  I absolutely agree with you.  Rev. EDEN obviously pronounced his surname as in "the garden of Eden", but EDDEN is pronounced edd-en as apposed to ea-den.  it's no wonder we all struggle with our research given the fact that so many of our ancestors couldn't read and write, it was down to whoever was registering the BDM at the time and to how he thought he should spell it. Your theory about the village of Eydon in Northamptonshire (presumably pronounced Ee-don) is quite interesting.  Are there any PRs for that village on line or available elsewhere? My elderly cousin Cyril EDDEN was told through his family that EDDEN originated in Staffordshire, but I can't see that myself, but who knows. Kind regardsLynne Scaife _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Dear All A very kind lady on the Brailes Village web site has been conversing with me regarding EDDEN in Brailes. To my absolute astonishment, her friend owns a property in Brailes and there is a barn on his property called EDDEN's Barn, and what's even more fascinating, her mother owns an old tapestry of the parish and it's actually embroidered on there.  She is going to try and find out more and come back to me. Kind regardsLynne Scaife _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Hi, Lynne I was lucky enough to get my hands on a transcription of Eydon Baptisms & Marriages (1538 - 1906) taken from the parish registers by the vicar's wife in 1906. I have uploaded all the data to FreeReg and it is available at _www.freereg.org.uk_ (http://www.freereg.org.uk) . I recall that there were lots of Eddens recorded. Kind regards Pam T

Hello Margaret, Could you give a date for this? Could it be shortly after 1837? For this is as probable - from the Politically-Correct wording of your enquiry - as around 2008.... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Walker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: [WAR] Marriage Cert > Hi List, I have a marriage cert with no information on the parents of the > bride or groom , a query was done and the info said ( that the vicar > objected to civil partnership) can someone tell what that means . Regards > Margaret > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, I have a marriage cert with no information on the parents of the bride or groom , a query was done and the info said ( that the vicar objected to civil partnership) can someone tell what that means . Regards Margaret

Hello Listeners In a will of 1758 by one Issac Allett (Allitt), he leaves a legacy to one of his nieces Ann Kettleton wife of William Kettleton. Does anyone have a connection at all with the Kettleton family. Ann and William were living in Priors Marston at the time of the will. Ann was the daughter of Job and Annie Allett (allitt). I have managed to take the Allitt family back to 1578 odd with a will written in the time of Elizabeth I (although it does take some reading!!) and this connection would help me with some of the sideways branches. Thanks in advance Margaret

I'm looking for descendants of the following BRINTON family: Richard Brinton who married Susannah Petford June 12, 1797 in Alcester, Warwickshire.and had Richard Corbett Brinton born Cannon Street Meeting House-Baptist, Birmingham, Warwick, England April 7, 1812. He died in circa 1871. He married Mary Harriet Dewson and had Richard James William Brinton in about Dec 1846 who married Alice Greene in circa 1872 in Edgbaston. They had possibly Arthur b circa 1875, Charles b circa 1873 and Richard b circa 1872. Richard James William Brinton died in about 1881 and Alice remarried Henry Fryer. Richard Brinton b Feb 1872 who emigrated to Canada in 1903 but was in Canada in the North West Territories for a period in the 1890s. . He was married to Mary H. and had Alice b 1894, Beatrice b 1895, Florence b 1897, all in the NWT and then Evelyn b 1902 in Edgbaston and David b 1899 in Wales. Any help greatly appreciated. Would love to know about any descendants of Arthur or Charles Brinton. Angela in Canada

Dear Steve Is it just COCKBILL/COGBYLL and variants you are researching in Brailes? I ask because I now have a very large data base of surnames and PR's.  I haven't any COCKBILL's in my direct line, but I have seen the surname crop up time after time on Census information for Brailes, together with other surnames eg. HOAR/MATTHEWS/GARDNER etc. etc.  There seem to be many old families right back to the 1500s in the village. To my great surprise, one lady on the Brailes Village website has told me there is a barn on a friend of her's property in Brailes called EDDEN barn! In the middle ages, Brailes wasn't just a village, it was granted charter status quite early on, and a very important trade point.  I think you are quite right, manorial records could hold some valuable information for our research.  I am quite willing to share any research fees for ordering documents and Latin translation etc.  if you would like me to do so, please email me off list. Kind regardsLynne ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:01:17 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Advice wanted on access to documents > > Hi Lynne, > > Thanks for the interest shown in my enquiry; quite a few 'listers' have > been kind enough to offer me words of wisdom and I am once again delighted by > the erudition of the Warwick list! > > To answer your question, yes the Sheldon family is indeed the family that > was based in and around Brailes. If you go on the A2A website I am sure you > will find the reference to the papers in question - I was then able to > click on that entry and found the index of all the papers in the collection > quite a large selection of documents held in Birmingham that date from the > early 15th century Manorial Rolls right through to the eighteenth century. I > have certainly seen lots of references to the Edden name in searching for > my ancestors (COCKBILL / COGBYLL and variants ). I have used the village > web-site and had quite a lengthy correspondence with one old local historian. > My family moved form the area in the first quarter of the eighteenth > century though the family did continue to live there until the mid 19th. I have > m,anaged to trace them back in Brailes to the early 1500s and have also > found records of the name in documents as early as 1279 so I am trying to > discover references to them in the 1400s (using manorial rolls) to see if there > was unbroken occupation by the family right through - I gather that it > would be quite a remarkable fact! > > Once again, many thanks for the interest shown, Good hunting > > > Steve > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

I have followed the recent correspondence concerning the EDDEN family of Brailes with interest. My brickwall is William EDDEN who married Hannah KEEN 07 May 1871, both of Chipping Campden. This may be the same person as William EDEN ch. 04 Oct 1754 at Stretton on Fosse, son of John EDEN and Elizabeth. After William and Hannah their family were all EDENs. Chipping Campden is about 5 miles W of Stretton on Fosse, and Chipping Campden is also about 11 miles W of Upper Brailes and Lower Brailes, as these two neighbouring hamlets are distinquished on a modern road map. My belief is that the EDEN, EDDEN, EDON, EADEN, etc. names in this region derive from the village of Eydon some 16 miles NE of the Brailes in Northamtonshire. The county boundaries of Northamptonshire, Warwickshire, Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire and Worcestershire all lie nearby, and the names are not uncommon in the region. The pronunciation of the names EDEN and EDDEN is as-spelt today (ie. slightly differently) but the local rustic accents treat vowels sounds malleably. I noticed that near the entry of William EDDEN's and Hannah KEEN's marriage in Chipping Campden parish register was that of a Rev. EDEN. It seemed to imply that the different spelling indicated different social rank, but it may be simply different pronunciation. (William was later recorded as a shepherd.) Contemporary with William EDDEN in Chipping Campden were Major EDDEN (Major is a forname, not a military rank) and Thomas EDDEN. They could be brothers. Also in the mix are these: 17 May 1778 William EDDEN married Hannah PARTRIDGE at Stretton on Fosse* 24 Nov 1778 William EDDEN married Hannah PARTRIDGE at Ebrington 28 May 1779 Lucy, dau. of William and Hannah EDDEN christened at Stretton on Fosse* 07 May 1781 Elizabeth, dau. of William and Hannah EDDEN christened at Stow-on-the-Wold *These are attached to the well-documented "EDDONs of Darlingscote" family. Bob New

> Hello To ALL, > > Is anyone out there researching the UTTING name in the Counties of > Warwickshire, Derbyshire, Stf. & Leics. from back in the 1600's / 1700's, > & 1800's. > > Would love to make contact with anyone researching this uncommon surname > in the above Counties. > > Regards Olga Utting > Muchea (Perth), Western Australia > Phone - 08 9571 0595. > website - www.endersliehouse.com.au >

Many old documents because of their fragility or their format cannot easily be photocopied. It may also be a little complicated to photograph with an ordinary digital camera the whole text of large deeds, long rolled documents, etc on parchment. However, the record office concerned will be able to tell you whether copies can be made or not. MAR in France. > Message du 11/04/10 14:10 > De : "lynne scaife" > A : "warwick new list" > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Advice wanted on access to documents > > > > Dear Steve > I too have interests in Brailes, I am researching EDDEN. > I once ordered a document from there, a will, and they posted it to me. It wasn't very expensive, but as other list members have said, you would need it properly translating. > The "Sheldon papers", do these relate to the SHELDON family of Brailes? > Do you know that there is a Brailes village website with some keen genealogists on the forum? It's worth checking this one out, they are very helpful. The web site is: > www.brailesvillage.co.uk > Kind regardsLynne > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:21:31 -0400 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [WAR] Advice wanted on access to documents > > > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have access (on-line?) to documents > > held in the Birmingham archives? > > > > I have spotted on the A2A site that they hold the "Sheldon papers" that > > include manorial records for Brailes in the 15th century. > > > > Having traced back a family to the early 1500s in that village, I'd love to > > see if these archives can help me get back even further (especially if > > they've been transcribed!) > > > > Grateful thanks for any advice that anyone can offer. > > > > Steve > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Lynne, Thanks for the interest shown in my enquiry; quite a few 'listers' have been kind enough to offer me words of wisdom and I am once again delighted by the erudition of the Warwick list! To answer your question, yes the Sheldon family is indeed the family that was based in and around Brailes. If you go on the A2A website I am sure you will find the reference to the papers in question - I was then able to click on that entry and found the index of all the papers in the collection quite a large selection of documents held in Birmingham that date from the early 15th century Manorial Rolls right through to the eighteenth century. I have certainly seen lots of references to the Edden name in searching for my ancestors (COCKBILL / COGBYLL and variants ). I have used the village web-site and had quite a lengthy correspondence with one old local historian. My family moved form the area in the first quarter of the eighteenth century though the family did continue to live there until the mid 19th. I have m,anaged to trace them back in Brailes to the early 1500s and have also found records of the name in documents as early as 1279 so I am trying to discover references to them in the 1400s (using manorial rolls) to see if there was unbroken occupation by the family right through - I gather that it would be quite a remarkable fact! Once again, many thanks for the interest shown, Good hunting Steve

Dear Steve I too have interests in Brailes, I am researching EDDEN. I once ordered a document from there, a will, and they posted it to me.  It wasn't very expensive, but as other list members have said, you would need it properly translating. The "Sheldon papers", do these relate to the SHELDON family of Brailes? Do you know that there is a Brailes village website with some keen genealogists on the forum? It's worth checking this one out, they are very helpful. The web site is: www.brailesvillage.co.uk Kind regardsLynne ---------------------------------------- > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:21:31 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WAR] Advice wanted on access to documents > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have access (on-line?) to documents > held in the Birmingham archives? > > I have spotted on the A2A site that they hold the "Sheldon papers" that > include manorial records for Brailes in the 15th century. > > Having traced back a family to the early 1500s in that village, I'd love to > see if these archives can help me get back even further (especially if > they've been transcribed!) > > Grateful thanks for any advice that anyone can offer. > > Steve > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969