I am looking for anyone that was connected to Stanley Lawrence, Ellen Kate,  Ethel W, Mabel, and baby Jessie Moss in Leamington.  they lived at one time 6 Holly St East. They also had a brother Frederick Lawrence who was 10 years older then Stanley and he was born near East Ham, Essex.   He was my grandfather Their parents were William Kilita Moss and Ellen Elizabeth Lawrence Moss.   William Kelita/Kilita was born in East Ham to Henry Moss and Kitty Kilby. I have info on them but I would like info on my grandfather's siblings. TIA Dorothy Moss Smith from New Hampshire, USA

Hi All, Happy to say that re-freshing installation of Windows Live Mail corrected the problem, and the digests now open correctly. Thanks to all that wrote to me with ideas. I have just had a posting to PPP Guestbook asking for assistance tracing the Crupper / Cropper family in Warwickshire - if anyone has any links or can offer assistance please get back to me or post to the list, and I will forward it to Kriss Happy Hunting Pickard Back in a sunny Nagykanizsa for a couple of days only Off to Oman on Saturday

Hello Wendy Thank you for all this .....am unable to find Anne STOKES a miliner living at home in the 1881 census She is aged 23 y and unmarried .... Can you give me any other clues please ... where was she born ?? Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon, Matamata <[email protected]> / SKYPE - matamatamaree ==================================================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "WABoland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] William Thomas STOKES B 1878 s/o Ann Charlotte STOKES > Hi again Maree > > Seems we can discount the info re Coventry > > These children are in the MIddlemore Home in the > 1881 Census > 157 to 161 Lukes Rd Edgbaston > RG11/2953/81 > Mary A. STOKES aged 3y Scholar Born Birmingham > William T STOKES aged 4y Born Birmingham > > Ages do not agree with your info and there are several possibles on the > FreeBMD Index. > There is one possible Anne STOKES a miliner living at home in the 1881 > census > She is aged 23 y and unmarried . > > There is more information online re the children in the Middlemore Homes > and in Canada- if you have not already searched try > > http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/children/Organizations/middlemore.html > > Finding possible relatives in the UK may prove much more difficult unless > you can pinpoint Ann Charlotte STOKES in a census record or BMD. She may > have died young or married. > > Genesreunited might be worth a try to contact living relatives. > > Good hunting > Wendy > > > > Ann Charlotte STOKES had two children .... > > Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) > William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) > > They were living at 76 Irving St (Birmingham) at the home of Mrs. Britain > as > of March 1880. > The mother - Ann Charlotte STOKES - was a purse maker, the children were > illegitimate. deserted by father. > > Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) was Shipped to Canada as a Home Child > .... > > William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) went to Richard Hodgens of London, > Middlesex > > This is a sticky situation to resolve, but the descendants of Ann > Charlotte > STOKES are very keen to > > make contact with this family .... > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry Maree should have been more careful It was Anna in the transcript- but I have not looked at the orignal scan to check the spelling. I can do that later on today if required. Wendy Household:1881 census Thomas STOKES Head M Male 50 Inkberrow, Worcester, England Engineer (E&M) Anna STOKES Wife M Female 47 Birmingham, Warwick, England Anna STOKES Daur U Female 23 Birmingham, Warwick, England Miliner Thomas F. STOKES Son Male 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England Railway Clerk George STOKES Son Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar Dwelling 14 St James St Rose Cottage Census Place Aston, Warwick, England Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3028 / 22 Page Number 38

Hello Wendy Many thanks for your interesting email ..... Ann Charlotte STOKES had two children .... Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) They were living at 76 Irving St (Birmingham) at the home of Mrs. Britain as of March 1880. The mother - Ann Charlotte STOKES - was a purse maker, the children were illegitimate. deserted by father. Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) was Shipped to Canada as a Home Child .... William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) went to Richard Hodgens of London, Middlesex This is a sticky situation to resolve, but the descendants of Ann Charlotte STOKES are very keen to make contact with this family .... Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon, Matamata <[email protected]> / SKYPE - matamatamaree ==================================================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "WABoland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] William Thomas STOKES B 1878 s/o Ann Charlotte STOKES > Hi Maree > >>From the info you have provided it seems you may not have obtained > the scans of the census records. > the 1901 census scan shows > Chauntry Place Holy Trinity Coventry > Hsehld schd 148 > 2 Court 7 House > William T STOKES aged 22 Labourer Iron Foundry born Coventry > is living with his widowed mother Mary STOKES aged 44 years born > Leamington > Also in the household are her son > Arthur C STOKES aged 12 y > and daughter > Ethel STOKES aged 9 years > both born Coventry > also a boarder single aged 32 > Thomas HARDING Iron Dresser born Manchester LAN. > > Indicates that Mary's husband must have died at some time since the last > census > > The FreeBMD web site shows that > William T STOKES married Sarah Ann MILLIGAN > June qtr 1906 6d/1012 > > 1911 census has Sarah Ann STOKES aged 29 > > > the 1891 census shows the family at the same address with > the father of William Thos STOKES listed > as Fredk George STOKES a Baker's Porter aged 38 years Born Coventry > > Several other children listed in this census. > > No sign of any Ann Charlotte STOKES > so either you have the wrong lad on the census or the wrong mother's name? > > Cheers > Wendy Boland > > > We are hoping to locate the parents of this lad - his mother was Ann > Charlotte STOKES ..... > Births Dec 1878 > > Stokes William Thomas Coventry 6d 551 > > > 1901 Census - Warwickshire Coventry > > William T Stokes 22yrs Warwick Coventry Warwick Coventry - Labourer > Iron Foundry > > > 1911 Census - Coventry Warwickshire > > STOKES WILLIAM THOMAS - M - B 1879 - 32yrs CoventryWarwickshire > > Any assistance greatly appreciated ..... a family in Canada would like to > make contact please.... > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Maree Seems we can discount the info re Coventry These children are in the MIddlemore Home in the 1881 Census 157 to 161 Lukes Rd Edgbaston RG11/2953/81 Mary A. STOKES aged 3y Scholar Born Birmingham William T STOKES aged 4y Born Birmingham Ages do not agree with your info and there are several possibles on the FreeBMD Index. There is one possible Anne STOKES a miliner living at home in the 1881 census She is aged 23 y and unmarried . There is more information online re the children in the Middlemore Homes and in Canada- if you have not already searched try http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/children/Organizations/middlemore.html Finding possible relatives in the UK may prove much more difficult unless you can pinpoint Ann Charlotte STOKES in a census record or BMD. She may have died young or married. Genesreunited might be worth a try to contact living relatives. Good hunting Wendy Ann Charlotte STOKES had two children .... Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) They were living at 76 Irving St (Birmingham) at the home of Mrs. Britain as of March 1880. The mother - Ann Charlotte STOKES - was a purse maker, the children were illegitimate. deserted by father. Mary Ann STOKES (age 3 in 1880) was Shipped to Canada as a Home Child .... William Thomas STOKES (age 2 in 1880) went to Richard Hodgens of London, Middlesex This is a sticky situation to resolve, but the descendants of Ann Charlotte STOKES are very keen to make contact with this family ....

I've found several refs to the Crupper family in Willoughby, Warwickshire. Please let me know if you are interested and I will forward data. Pam T

Hi Maree >From the info you have provided it seems you may not have obtained the scans of the census records. the 1901 census scan shows Chauntry Place Holy Trinity Coventry Hsehld schd 148 2 Court 7 House William T STOKES aged 22 Labourer Iron Foundry born Coventry is living with his widowed mother Mary STOKES aged 44 years born Leamington Also in the household are her son Arthur C STOKES aged 12 y and daughter Ethel STOKES aged 9 years both born Coventry also a boarder single aged 32 Thomas HARDING Iron Dresser born Manchester LAN. Indicates that Mary's husband must have died at some time since the last census The FreeBMD web site shows that William T STOKES married Sarah Ann MILLIGAN June qtr 1906 6d/1012 1911 census has Sarah Ann STOKES aged 29 the 1891 census shows the family at the same address with the father of William Thos STOKES listed as Fredk George STOKES a Baker's Porter aged 38 years Born Coventry Several other children listed in this census. No sign of any Ann Charlotte STOKES so either you have the wrong lad on the census or the wrong mother's name? Cheers Wendy Boland We are hoping to locate the parents of this lad - his mother was Ann Charlotte STOKES ..... Births Dec 1878 Stokes William Thomas Coventry 6d 551 1901 Census - Warwickshire Coventry William T Stokes 22yrs Warwick Coventry Warwick Coventry - Labourer Iron Foundry 1911 Census - Coventry Warwickshire STOKES WILLIAM THOMAS - M - B 1879 - 32yrs CoventryWarwickshire Any assistance greatly appreciated ..... a family in Canada would like to make contact please....

Hello from New Zealand Can anyone help here please ?? We are hoping to locate the parents of this lad - his mother was Ann Charlotte STOKES ..... Births Dec 1878 Stokes William Thomas Coventry 6d 551 1901 Census - Warwickshire Coventry William T Stokes 22yrs Warwick Coventry Warwick Coventry - Labourer Iron Foundry 1911 Census - Coventry Warwickshire STOKES WILLIAM THOMAS - M - B 1879 - 32yrs CoventryWarwickshire Any assistance greatly appreciated ..... a family in Canada would like to make contact please.... Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon < [email protected] >

Hello Maree, Probably your best bet would be to buy the birth certificate... >From the information you don't give - his absence from the 1881 and 1891 Censuses - the initial presumption has to be that he was illegitimate; that his mother likely married at some stage between his birth and the 1881 Census; and that he was recorded there (and in 1891) under his [step?]-father's surname. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maree" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: [WAR] William Thomas STOKES B 1878 s/o Ann Charlotte STOKES > Hello from New Zealand > > Can anyone help here please ?? > > We are hoping to locate the parents of this lad - his mother was Ann > Charlotte STOKES ..... > Births Dec 1878 > > Stokes William Thomas Coventry 6d 551 > > > 1901 Census - Warwickshire Coventry > > William T Stokes 22yrs Warwick Coventry Warwick Coventry - Labourer > Iron Foundry > > > 1911 Census - Coventry Warwickshire > > STOKES WILLIAM THOMAS - M - B 1879 - 32yrs CoventryWarwickshire > > Any assistance greatly appreciated ..... a family in Canada would like to > make contact please.... > > Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon < [email protected] > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning I wondered whether someone might be able to find my Gt Gfather on the 1871 census? I've been searching for several years and still cannot find him. Ernest Arthur ALLEN was born in Solihull workhouse to Ann Louisa ALLEN (unmarried) in 1868. On the 1871 census, Ann is working as a domestic servant just across the county border in Yardley, Worcestershire, but I cannot find anything for Ernest. By 1881, Ann is a Dairymaid at Fen House in Balsall Heath and Ernest is a groom in the same establishment. His younger half brother (also no father) is a lodger a couple of doors away. Any help would be most appreciated :-) Heather

Thanks Matt again for your input. Kindest regardsLynne ---------------------------------------- > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:50:00 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] C17 legal conveyance Brailes > > > <<3. If Thomas EDDEN was silk weaver of London, quite comfortable financially, > why would his son Robert (assumed), be a labourer and Robert's son John be a > common peddler? > It didn't quite "sit right" with me and still doesn't, but thank you for > clarifying the meaning of the transcript.>> > > > A silkweaver was not necessarily a wealthy man - many were employed journeyman weavers, others were struggling self-employed artisans, especially at the end of the 17th century when the influx of Huguenot silkweavers would have created a great deal of competrition. > > On the other hand one does occasionally find elderly men described as labourers who had previously been husbandmen or artisans, or even yeomen, presumably because they have handed the farm or business over to a son and are now maintained by him and the wages from an occasional bit of paid labour. Usually such people retained their former status in these circumstances, but it seems in some times and places they were re-categorised. > > > <<17 march 1689, marriage settlement to John EDDEN, chapman, and Mary EDDEN, > Margaret is there again, widow of Robert EDDEN, labourer deceased, says "Crowne > End of Brailes between the houses of Mary RIMELL and Mary PORTER, John EDDEN > signed his name (and he is a chapman), but Margaret "made her mark". If John > could write his name, it does rather imply that he was educated.>> > > > Undoubtedly educated enough to write his name, but more than that is uncertain - it is known that some people could write their name but nothing else. On the other hand plenty of poor rural folk did learn to read and write. > > Matt > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

<<3. If Thomas EDDEN was silk weaver of London, quite comfortable financially, why would his son Robert (assumed), be a labourer and Robert's son John be a common peddler? It didn't quite "sit right" with me and still doesn't, but thank you for clarifying the meaning of the transcript.>> A silkweaver was not necessarily a wealthy man - many were employed journeyman weavers, others were struggling self-employed artisans, especially at the end of the 17th century when the influx of Huguenot silkweavers would have created a great deal of competrition. On the other hand one does occasionally find elderly men described as labourers who had previously been husbandmen or artisans, or even yeomen, presumably because they have handed the farm or business over to a son and are now maintained by him and the wages from an occasional bit of paid labour. Usually such people retained their former status in these circumstances, but it seems in some times and places they were re-categorised. <<17 march 1689, marriage settlement to John EDDEN, chapman, and Mary EDDEN, Margaret is there again, widow of Robert EDDEN, labourer deceased, says "Crowne End of Brailes between the houses of Mary RIMELL and Mary PORTER, John EDDEN signed his name (and he is a chapman), but Margaret "made her mark". If John could write his name, it does rather imply that he was educated.>> Undoubtedly educated enough to write his name, but more than that is uncertain - it is known that some people could write their name but nothing else. On the other hand plenty of poor rural folk did learn to read and write. Matt

Dear Matt Thanks for replying, I wasn't at all sure about the exact meaning. Yes, it is interesting because: 1.  EDDEN in Brailes goes back as far as the LDS records permit, about 1538 I think.  It's well known that there was a wealthy EDDEN line in Brailes who were mill owners and cotton dealers.  (All my EDDENs so far are Ag Labs - wouldn't you just know it). 2.  "........ appointment of Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN of Brailes, labourer deceased, and John EDDEN of Brailes, chapman .............." Robert was a labourer, and John a chapman, "chapman a petty trader working in various places, a casual labourer, travelling chapman sold chapbooks, needles, lace, linen and household goods and bought old brass, clothes and human hair, - a peddler in other words".  There is a further conveyance of 29 Oct 1701 quoting John EADEN as a lace dealer. 3.  If  Thomas EDDEN was silk weaver of London, quite comfortable financially, why would his son Robert (assumed), be a labourer and Robert's son John be a common peddler? It didn't quite "sit right" with me and still doesn't, but thank you for clarifying the meaning of the transcript. I've also got: 17 march 1689, marriage settlement to John EDDEN, chapman, and Mary EDDEN, Margaret is there again, widow of Robert EDDEN, labourer deceased, says "Crowne End of Brailes between the houses of Mary RIMELL and Mary PORTER, John EDDEN signed his name (and he is a chapman), but Margaret "made her mark".  If John could write his name, it does rather imply that he was educated. Then there is another document dated 29 Oct 1701 that says that John EADEN was a "lace dealer". These documents are all on the "Access to Archives" site. Thanks again Matt. Kind regardsLynne ---------------------------------------- > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:34:02 -0400 > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] C17 legal conveyance Brailes > > > < > understand this correctly: > "Conveyance from Thomas PARKER of Lower Brailes, yeoman, John HARBERT of > Brailes, taylor, son and heir of Richard HARBERT of the same, yeoman deceased, > with the consent direction and appointment of Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert > EDDEN of Brailes, labourer deceased, and John EDDEN of Brailes, chapman, to > Edward WALKER of the Grove End of Upper Brailes, yeoman, of a cottage and lands > (in Brailes) being a settlement upon the marriage of the said John EDDEN and > Mary his wife, formerly settled by Thomas EDDEN of London, silkweaver and Mary > his wife, to the said Margaret EDDEN. To hold to the use of the said John and > Mary and their heirs". > Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN was appointed by Thomas and Mary EDDEN of > London to hold or look after a cottage and lands in Brailes for and until John > EDDEN (chapman) married Mary, in other words, they inherited it?>> > > > Very interesting - one doesn't often see explicit marriage settlements made by this class of people - silkweavers, chapmen, labourers - or relating to such a small landholding (as opposed to marriage settlements by the landed elite, among whom they were absolutely de rigeur, and usually dealt with large estates). > > Your interpretation is almost right, Lynn, but I doubt if Thomas and Mary's settled the property on Margaret to hold until John married Mary - it's unlikely that John had even been conceived at that point. I think a better interpretation would be as follows. > > 1. The cottage and lands originally belonged to Thomas Edden, silkweaver of London, and his wife Mary. > > 2. Some time previously Thomas and Mary had settled the cottage and lands on one Margaret, who is now the widow of Robert Edden, labourer of Brailes. I suspect Robert was Thomas and Mary's son and the cottage and lands were actually settled on both him and Margaret, jointly, on the occasion of their marriage - in other words that the earlier settlement was also a marriage settlement. > > 3. Robert has since died and Margaret has decided to re-settle the cottage and lands on John Edden, chapman of Brailes, and his new wife Mary, on the occasion of their marriage. Again, one asumes John Edden is the son of Robert and Margaret. > > To give effect to this second marriage settlement the trustees of the old settlement (Parker and Harbert - Richard Harbert would have been one of the original trustees but has died and been replaced by his son and heir) have conveyed the cottage and lands to the trustee of the new settlement, Edward Walker, yeoman of Grove End. (It's a bit odd that there's only one trustee of the new settlement - at least two would be normal - but perhaps that reflects the small size of the settled property and the small wealth of the parties.) > > Matt Tompkins > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Is there a legal expert amongst the list who could advise me whether I understand this correctly: "Conveyance from Thomas PARKER of Lower Brailes, yeoman, John HARBERT of Brailes, taylor, son and heir of Richard HARBERT of the same, yeoman deceased, with the consent direction and appointment of Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN of Brailes, labourer deceased, and John EDDEN of Brailes, chapman, to Edward WALKER of the Grove End of Upper Brailes, yeoman, of a cottage and lands (in Brailes) being a settlement upon the marriage of the said John EDDEN and Mary his wife, formerly settled by Thomas EDDEN of London, silkweaver and Mary his wife, to the said Margaret EDDEN.  To hold to the use of the said John and Mary and their heirs". Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN was appointed by Thomas and Mary EDDEN of London to hold or look after a cottage and lands in Brailes for and until John EDDEN (chapman) married Mary, in other words, they inherited it? Thanks in anticipation,  Confused in Tenerife(Lynne) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

<<Is there a legal expert amongst the list who could advise me whether I understand this correctly: "Conveyance from Thomas PARKER of Lower Brailes, yeoman, John HARBERT of Brailes, taylor, son and heir of Richard HARBERT of the same, yeoman deceased, with the consent direction and appointment of Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN of Brailes, labourer deceased, and John EDDEN of Brailes, chapman, to Edward WALKER of the Grove End of Upper Brailes, yeoman, of a cottage and lands (in Brailes) being a settlement upon the marriage of the said John EDDEN and Mary his wife, formerly settled by Thomas EDDEN of London, silkweaver and Mary his wife, to the said Margaret EDDEN. To hold to the use of the said John and Mary and their heirs". Margaret EDDEN, widow of Robert EDDEN was appointed by Thomas and Mary EDDEN of London to hold or look after a cottage and lands in Brailes for and until John EDDEN (chapman) married Mary, in other words, they inherited it?>> Very interesting - one doesn't often see explicit marriage settlements made by this class of people - silkweavers, chapmen, labourers - or relating to such a small landholding (as opposed to marriage settlements by the landed elite, among whom they were absolutely de rigeur, and usually dealt with large estates). Your interpretation is almost right, Lynn, but I doubt if Thomas and Mary's settled the property on Margaret to hold until John married Mary - it's unlikely that John had even been conceived at that point. I think a better interpretation would be as follows. 1. The cottage and lands originally belonged to Thomas Edden, silkweaver of London, and his wife Mary. 2. Some time previously Thomas and Mary had settled the cottage and lands on one Margaret, who is now the widow of Robert Edden, labourer of Brailes. I suspect Robert was Thomas and Mary's son and the cottage and lands were actually settled on both him and Margaret, jointly, on the occasion of their marriage - in other words that the earlier settlement was also a marriage settlement. 3. Robert has since died and Margaret has decided to re-settle the cottage and lands on John Edden, chapman of Brailes, and his new wife Mary, on the occasion of their marriage. Again, one asumes John Edden is the son of Robert and Margaret. To give effect to this second marriage settlement the trustees of the old settlement (Parker and Harbert - Richard Harbert would have been one of the original trustees but has died and been replaced by his son and heir) have conveyed the cottage and lands to the trustee of the new settlement, Edward Walker, yeoman of Grove End. (It's a bit odd that there's only one trustee of the new settlement - at least two would be normal - but perhaps that reflects the small size of the settled property and the small wealth of the parties.) Matt Tompkins

Hello Ken I have transcribed some Illegitmacy Orders for Warwickshire and they are on Pickards Pink Pages www.hunimex.com/warwick/illegits.html They have been online for several years. but I stress that I only managed to cover 2 films out of the 3 available . Fillongley is included but not the surname FOX. (may be on the film I could not access ) Illegitimacy orders were issued against reputed fathers by some parish officials because not all parishes could afford to maintain bastards and unwed mothers so would try to recoup some payment from the reputed father. Not all official were so dilligent either so many illegitimate children are not listed. Bastardy Orders, Settlements and removal orders are useful documents to search and those surviving at WRO have been transcribed by Barbara Robinson . A CD is available to purchase http://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/fhs_cov.html . http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/poorbastard.html Gives a very good outline of the type of document to look for but many have not survived. Very few have been indexed. You have to be very fortunate to find the document Sometimes the reputed father is listed in the parish registers, overseers accounts or Churchwardens accounts. try http://www.pricegen.com/resources/illegitimacy.htm for more details. Some illegitimacy orders were not enforced because the child died as an infant or was stillborn. Do a google search and you will find lots more information.. Wendy Boland FreeREG Coord for Warwickshire Hi List, I was not aware of Bastardy roll / orders. Were they organised on a parish basis? My convict ancestor Charlotte Fox (Born about 1805) was transported from the Warwick Azzises in 1825 (Midas) she is listed as having 1 child who did not accompany her. She was from Finnoghal in North Warwick. I know prior to her arrest for highway robbery she had been itinerant ... So I have no idea were a child may have been listed unless the child grew up with grandparents. How do you search Bastardy rolls? Lynne thanks for drawing this to my attention to this.. If people have access to the rolls for Finnoghal I would appreciate their assistance. Ken

Sorry - Fillongley not Finnoghal Ken Ken Young wrote: > Hi List, > I was not aware of Bastardy roll / orders. Were they organised on a > parish basis? My convict ancestor Charlotte Fox (Born about 1805) was > transported from the Warwick Azzises in 1825 (Midas) she is listed as > having 1 child who did not accompany her. She was from Finnoghal in > North Warwick. I know prior to her arrest for highway robbery she had > been itinerant ... So I have no idea were a child may have been listed > unless the child grew up with grandparents. How do you search Bastardy > rolls? > Lynne thanks for drawing this to my attention to this.. If people have > access to the rolls for Finnoghal I would appreciate their assistance. > > Ken > > lynne scaife wrote: > >> Hi everyone >> Can any one please advise me whether any bastardy orders exist for Wichford for 1750 ish? and if so where I might find them. >> I have done an internet search but have not found anything. >> I am specifically looking for information about John EDDEN c. 25 Feb 1750 in Wichford, the Wichford PR states "John bastard son of Mary EDDEN". >> Thanks in anticipation >> Lynne Scaife >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. >> https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 >> List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > -- THE SONGS OF A SENTIMENTAL BLOKE. "Yeh live, yeh love, yeh learn; an' when yeh come To square the ledger in some thortful hour The everlastin' answer to the sum Must allus be, 'Where's sense in gittin' sour?'"

Hi List, I was not aware of Bastardy roll / orders. Were they organised on a parish basis? My convict ancestor Charlotte Fox (Born about 1805) was transported from the Warwick Azzises in 1825 (Midas) she is listed as having 1 child who did not accompany her. She was from Finnoghal in North Warwick. I know prior to her arrest for highway robbery she had been itinerant ... So I have no idea were a child may have been listed unless the child grew up with grandparents. How do you search Bastardy rolls? Lynne thanks for drawing this to my attention to this.. If people have access to the rolls for Finnoghal I would appreciate their assistance. Ken lynne scaife wrote: > Hi everyone > Can any one please advise me whether any bastardy orders exist for Wichford for 1750 ish? and if so where I might find them. > I have done an internet search but have not found anything. > I am specifically looking for information about John EDDEN c. 25 Feb 1750 in Wichford, the Wichford PR states "John bastard son of Mary EDDEN". > Thanks in anticipation > Lynne Scaife > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- THE SONGS OF A SENTIMENTAL BLOKE. "Yeh live, yeh love, yeh learn; an' when yeh come To square the ledger in some thortful hour The everlastin' answer to the sum Must allus be, 'Where's sense in gittin' sour?'"

Isn't it a bit unlikely that a person who was itinerant, often called a traveller in those days, would have been in receipt of parish funds in a particular village? In any case, I think it's much more likely a traveller who fell pregnant would be chased out of the parish. Much quicker and easier than engaging in a bastardy hearing. MAR in France. > Message du 22/04/10 06:15 > De : "WABoland" > A : [email protected], > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Bastardy orders/rolls for Wichford > > > Hello Ken > > I have transcribed some Illegitmacy Orders for Warwickshire and they are on Pickards Pink Pages > www.hunimex.com/warwick/illegits.html > They have been online for several years. but I stress that I only managed to cover 2 films out of the 3 available . Fillongley is included but not the surname FOX. > > (may be on the film I could not access ) > > Illegitimacy orders were issued against reputed fathers by some parish officials because not all parishes could afford to maintain bastards and unwed mothers so would try to recoup some payment from the reputed father. Not all official were so dilligent either so many illegitimate children are not listed. > > Bastardy Orders, Settlements and removal orders are useful documents to search and those surviving at WRO have been transcribed by Barbara Robinson > . A CD is available to purchase > http://www.midlandshistoricaldata.org/fhs_cov.html > . > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/poorbastard.html > > Gives a very good outline of the type of document to look for but many have not survived. > Very few have been indexed. > You have to be very fortunate to find the document > > Sometimes the reputed father is listed in the parish registers, overseers accounts or Churchwardens accounts. > try http://www.pricegen.com/resources/illegitimacy.htm > for more details. > > Some illegitimacy orders were not enforced because the child died as an infant or was stillborn. > > Do a google search and you will find lots more information.. > > Wendy Boland > FreeREG Coord for Warwickshire > > > > Hi List, > I was not aware of Bastardy roll / orders. Were they organised on a > parish basis? My convict ancestor Charlotte Fox (Born about 1805) was > transported from the Warwick Azzises in 1825 (Midas) she is listed as > having 1 child who did not accompany her. She was from Finnoghal in > North Warwick. I know prior to her arrest for highway robbery she had > been itinerant ... So I have no idea were a child may have been listed > unless the child grew up with grandparents. How do you search Bastardy > rolls? > Lynne thanks for drawing this to my attention to this.. If people have > access to the rolls for Finnoghal I would appreciate their assistance. > > Ken > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >