This article on emigration of home children to Canada tells you something about Crowley's Orphanage in Birmingham, founded by Thomas Crowley in the 1860s. http://www.bifhsgo.ca/pdf/jtmiddlemore.pdf MAR in France. > Message du 12/06/10 03:41 > De : "Lila Richards" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Crowleys Orphanage > > > > Can you give me anymore information regarding the orphanage, ie > > whereabouts > > it was in Edgbaston, did it change its name, was it benefactor called > > Crowley, etc as I have several books about old Edgbaston. > > And was this the Crowley of Crowley's Ales (and father or grandfather of > Aleister Crowley)? The founder of Crowley's ales subsequently became a > Quaker, so I imagine founding an orphange would not be out of the question. > > Lila. > > ________________________________________________________ > Lila Richards, author of A Different Hunger > A Dark Fantasy published by Bluewood Publishing. > Now available from: http://www.bluewoodpublishing.com/Blueshop/ > Paperback version coming soon! > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5191 (20100611) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Lila, Found the following in the National Archives Catalogue: _Further Education Endowment Files ED 37/765 _ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=4412369) Birmingham, Crowley's Orphanage for Poor Girls (T14269) . Birmingham, Crowley's Orphanage for Poor Girls (T14269) ENGLAND: WARWICKSHIRE Further Education Endowment Files Date: 1914 Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives _Further Education Endowment Files ED 37/764 _ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=4412368) Birmingham, Crowley's Orphanage for Poor Girls (T14269) . Birmingham, Crowley's Orphanage for Poor Girls (T14269) ENGLAND: WARWICKSHIRE Further Education Endowment Files Date: 1907 - 1912 Source: The Catalogue Not the date you're looking for but might be worth checking out. Best wishes Pam T

Could some kind person look up for me Richard HEMMINGS age 5 in the 1841 census. I am told he was in Aston Warwickshire. I would like to know what family he was wiyh or if he may have been in a workhouse. Also a lookup for the same name in 1851 age 17 at Solihull Warwickshire. I would like to know the family he was with here. Regards Victor

I am looking for information re the Crowley Orphanage in Edgbaston. I have a relative who was Matron there in 1891 and wonder if there would be any records remaining of that time.

Hi Victor Have you tried freecen? You might find him there However 1841 Lower Trinity Street Name: Richard Heming (HEMMING) Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Hundred: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Deritend and Bordesley Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age // Richard Hammie (HEMMING) 40 Brass F Labourer Sarah Hammie (HEMMING) 35 Bonnet Maker John Heming (HEMMING) 9 Richard Heming (HEMMING) 5 // HO107; Piece 1148; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Aston; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 32; Page: 14; Line: 14; GSU roll: 464183. All born Warwickshire ===================== 1851 Name: Richard Hemming Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Tanworth, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Yardley County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Solihull Sub-registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 46 Household Members: Name Age Ann Lee 75 Joseph Lee 39 Samuel Lee 36 Leah Reynolds 49 Blanch Lester 12 Elizabeth Adkins 16 Richard Hemming 17 Farm Labourer Tanworth Warks HO107; Piece: 2071; Folio: 9; Page: 11; GSU roll: 87335. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Could some kind person look up for me Richard HEMMINGS age 5 in the 1841 > census. I am told he was in Aston Warwickshire. I would like to know what > family he was wiyh or if he may have been in a workhouse. Also a lookup > for > the same name in 1851 age 17 at Solihull Warwickshire. I would like to > know the family he was with here. > Regards > Victor

I Victor in 1851 he was living at Hill House Yardley with Ann Lee and was a servant. In 1841 he was in Aston with his parents Richard and Sarah and older brother John. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Ellen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: [WAR] 1841 & 51 census > Could some kind person look up for me Richard HEMMINGS age 5 in the 1841 > census. I am told he was in Aston Warwickshire. I would like to know what > family he was wiyh or if he may have been in a workhouse. Also a lookup > for > the same name in 1851 age 17 at Solihull Warwickshire. I would like to > know the family he was with here. > Regards > Victor > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Or you could try Pickards Pink Pages for 1841 Census (also 1861 & 1891 census) Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

Hi Beverley Can you give me anymore information regarding the orphanage, ie whereabouts it was in Edgbaston, did it change its name, was it benefactor called Crowley, etc as I have several books about old Edgbaston. Lesley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly Shakespeare" >I am looking for information re the Crowley Orphanage in Edgbaston. I have >a relative who was Matron there in 1891 and wonder if there would be any >records remaining of that time.>

Hello from New Zealand.... Have you looked at this site Andy...?? PDF] shilvock ons.pdf - _A ONE NAME STUDY OF File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Office Clerk (1869) m. 7.3.1869 Halesowen (witn. Mary SHILVOCK) ..... CHART SV11A: Descendants of William & Sarah Ann SHILVOCK of the Coventry area ... creativegraces.net/data/shilvock%20ons.pdf Maree S. Gordon, Matamata Waikato N.Z. <[email protected]> / SKYPE - matamatamaree ===================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "samiun" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: [WAR] SHILVOCK/COVENTRY > Hi > l am trying to find any information about my Shilvock family who lived in > Coventry in the 1800s. My greatx3 grandfather John Shilvock hanged himself > in Radford in 1869 and l wondered if there may have been an inquest report > at the time. > Also his granddaughter Ann Catherine Kilpack died in 1904 from septicemia > after having an abortion - according to her death certificate. I wondered > if there would have been a police investigation into this as at that time > it would have been illegal. > Any ideas about how l could find out about this > Andy > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi l am trying to find any information about my Shilvock family who lived in Coventry in the 1800s. My greatx3 grandfather John Shilvock hanged himself in Radford in 1869 and l wondered if there may have been an inquest report at the time. Also his granddaughter Ann Catherine Kilpack died in 1904 from septicemia after having an abortion - according to her death certificate. I wondered if there would have been a police investigation into this as at that time it would have been illegal. Any ideas about how l could find out about this Andy

Inquest reports -survival rate is patchy. Better bet is to check out local newspapers as juicy scandalous stories like that attract column inches, so there would be a very good chance that a report of the inquest would have been reported in the paper. Suggest you contact the Coventry History Centre for some advice. http://www.theherbert.org/index.php/home/history-centre/history-centre-collections Regards Ellen Spence ________________________________ From: samiun <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 9 June, 2010 23:09:44 Subject: [WAR] SHILVOCK/COVENTRY Hi l am trying to find any information about my Shilvock family who lived in Coventry in the 1800s. My greatx3 grandfather John Shilvock hanged himself in Radford in 1869 and l wondered if there may have been an inquest report at the time. Also his granddaughter Ann Catherine Kilpack died in 1904 from septicemia after having an abortion - according to her death certificate. I wondered if there would have been a police investigation into this as at that time it would have been illegal. Any ideas about how l could find out about this Andy List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, I now have further information regarding Robert and the Alms he was receiving. It was noted on his baptism record on 26 June 1785. Looks like there was some reason that his father, Edward, was not able to work. Just hoping someone out there can point me in the right direction for more information on this Robert and what happened to him. Was he "removed" from the parish? Just hoping that there may be a descendant from one of these children still in the Warws County area. Did they go to Southam, or did they go to Oxfordshire? Looking forward to hearing from someone. Anne Hello Listers, I am hoping one of you may be able to help with this query. *Edward Horn*, eldest son of Richard & Elizabeth Horn, was baptised 13 August 1749 at All Saints, Burton Dassett. On 27 October 1770, Edward married at Bishops Itchington to Sarah Cox and there were 5 children born & baptised at Bishops Itchington. Richard bp on 20 Jan 1774, followed by a 2nd Richard bp 16 April 1775, John 29 Jan 1777, William on 1 Feb 1781 and Robert 26 June 1785. By 1787 Edward had died and is buried at Bishops Itchington. My cousin has discovered that the last child, Robert, was receiving alms (not sure of her source). The query is, does anyone know where we might find how long these payments lasted and if the child was "removed" to Noke, Oxon. to possibly live with his uncle Richard. The "uncle Richard" is not a proven fact at the moment. Edward did have a brother Richard, born 1760 and baptised at Bishops Itchington. We do not believe the parents moved from Burton Dassett to Bishops Itchington at this time, but that they lived at Knightcote and for some reason had the second half of their family baptised at Bishops Itchington. Any information on Sarah (nee Cox) and the other three children, very gratefully received, as they appear to have left Bishops Itchington. Thanking you for any help, no matter how small, as this could lead to something else. Anne

Hello Listers, I am hoping one of you may be able to help with this query. *Edward Horn*, eldest son of Richard & Elizabeth Horn, was baptised 13 August 1749 at All Saints, Burton Dassett. On 27 October 1770, Edward married at Bishops Itchington to Sarah Cox and there were 5 children born & baptised at Bishops Itchington. Richard bp on 20 Jan 1774, followed by a 2nd Richard bp 16 April 1775, John 29 Jan 1777, William on 1 Feb 1781 and Robert 26 June 1785. By 1787 Edward had died and is buried at Bishops Itchington. My cousin has discovered that the last child, Robert, was receiving alms (not sure of her source). The query is, does anyone know where we might find how long these payments lasted and if the child was "removed" to Noke, Oxon. to possibly live with his uncle Richard. The "uncle Richard" is not a proven fact at the moment. Edward did have a brother Richard, born 1760 and baptised at Bishops Itchington. We do not believe the parents moved from Burton Dassett to Bishops Itchington at this time, but that they lived at Knightcote and for some reason had the second half of their family baptised at Bishops Itchington. Any information on Sarah (nee Cox) and the other three children, very gratefully received, as they appear to have left Bishops Itchington. Thanking you for any help, no matter how small, as this could lead to something else. Anne

Hello Some-one may be interested in the following offered on ebay-only 8hr left 08 Jun, 201015:04:03 BST - no bids so going for : £2.00 These dated documents are of interest to family historians as they can possibly confirm relationships, locations and professions of the various people noted in them. They also bear the signature/s of the legal officer/s. The documents are sometimes part printed and completed by hand or sometimes completely hand written. The names of the people listed in these documents are:- Mary Rathbone, wife of William Rathbone and her interest in property in Newbold on Avon, Warwickshire. William Ferdinand Wratislaw(?), Matthew Holbeche Bloxam both of Rugby and William Harris, Mary Sale Better be quick! Wendy

Hi Victor I have direct line ancestors form Grandborough so have transcribed some of the register entries for that parish. They appear on Pickards Pink Pages- Banns & Burials but later than you require. www.hunimex.com/warwick However, I think you should try to get hold of the prs films as I remember going through the Grandborough Churchwarden's accounts and finding details of my ancestors who were poor labourers so always needing a handout. There were some tantalising details of two illegitimate children (mothers needing assistance) so you may find clues to help you. Good hunting Wendy Boland FreeREG Coordinator for Warwickshire. >I would like to mention again the problem I am having in tracing details >for > this family history in case someone can just throw some light on it. > I cannot find an elusive birth record for Louisa HEMMINGS so cannot obtain > a > birth certificate. In the 1851 and 1871 census it states she was born in > Grandborough, in the 1861 census and in a birth certificate of a son born >

Further to my earlier posting, I've done a little rootling for Baby Jessie and her whereabouts in 1901. There were 5 births of "Jessie MOSS" registered in Warwickshire in the 1891-1901: 1892 Dec Q - Birmingham 6d 29 [Jessie Emily] 1895 Jun Q - Warwick 6d 627 [Jessie Florence] 1897 Mar Q - Birmingham 6d 170 ) 1898 Jun Q - Birmingham 6d 98 ) [all as Jessie] 1899 Dec Q - Aston -6d 461 ) Only Jessie Florence would fit a birthplace in Leamington - she would seem to be the right one, but the certificate would be needed to confirm her parents. I don't believe that the HANNON Grand-daughter is likely to be her, as her grandparents would seem to be MOSS or LAWRENCE. Furthermore, her age is understated, and her birthplace incorrect - although those frequently occur in Censuses. However... The 1901 lists 3 Jessie MOSSes born 1891-1901 residing in WAR: The 4-year-old grand-daughter - born Birmingham A 2-year-old, with parents John & Charlotte - born Birmingham A 1-year-old, with parents Andrew & Mary Jane - born Sutton Coldfield [which was in Aston District] These seem to match far better the 3 youngest of the births listed above. Furthermore, the 1901 also lists - as an "Inmate" of a Home run by the NSPCC in Essex - a 5-year-old Jessie MOSS of "unknown" birthplace. [She was one of 19 girls aged 5-14, and 10 boys 5-10]. RG13/1724/21/19 - Church Street, Great Coggeshall. This would seem to fit not-too-badly with the reported sighting of her "in London" by her brother Stanley, but of course can't be certain unless the NSPCC still hold her details and is willing to release them to a relative. Gus

I would like to mention again the problem I am having in tracing details for this family history in case someone can just throw some light on it. I cannot find an elusive birth record for Louisa HEMMINGS so cannot obtain a birth certificate. In the 1851 and 1871 census it states she was born in Grandborough, in the 1861 census and in a birth certificate of a son born in New Zealand it says she was born in Leamington. She was an illegitimate child to Harriott who was at Birmingham in the 1841 census before Louisa was born (she was 9 in 1851). So she would need to be born between 7th Jun 1841 (date of census) and 16th Jan 1842 as she died 17th Jan 1929 here in New Zealand at the age of 87. She apparently told one of her daughters that her father was a gypsy, I presume there would be no way of verifying that. I also cannot trace her mother Harriott from the birth of Louisa on. She was christened at Grandborough in 1813, had an illegitimate son Richard in 1836 which I cannot find after that date and in 1841 was at Birmingham with no children. I cannot find her since that time. Regards Victor Ellen

Just a thought! Beware .... Don't count on her age as given on her death certificate as being correct. The person concerned cannot give her correct age and even her age as given by her in her lifetime could be incorrect. My gran always took 2 years off her age so we did not know her exact age when she died as all her siblings were dead and we couldn't find her birth certificate. Anne Paling SHEFFIELD, U.K. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:39:49 +1200 > Subject: [WAR] HEMMINGS brick wall > > I would like to mention again the problem I am having in tracing details for > this family history in case someone can just throw some light on it. > I cannot find an elusive birth record for Louisa HEMMINGS so cannot obtain a > birth certificate. In the 1851 and 1871 census it states she was born in > Grandborough, in the 1861 census and in a birth certificate of a son born in > New Zealand it says she was born in Leamington. She was an illegitimate > child to Harriott who was at Birmingham in the 1841 census before Louisa was > born (she was 9 in 1851). So she would need to be born between 7th Jun 1841 > (date of census) and 16th Jan 1842 as she died 17th Jan 1929 here in New > Zealand at the age of 87. She apparently told one of her daughters that her > father was a gypsy, I presume there would be no way of verifying that. > I also cannot trace her mother Harriott from the birth of Louisa on. She was > christened at Grandborough in 1813, had an illegitimate son Richard in 1836 > which I cannot find after that date and in 1841 was at Birmingham with no > children. I cannot find her since that time. > Regards > Victor Ellen > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

Hello Victor, So was Harriet also illegitimate? I notice in the 1851 census that Louisa is described as the grand daughter of James & Martha FARMER and that in the 1841 census a William HEMMINGS was with James & Martha. Trying to trace the marriage of James & Martha, there is an extracted marriage on the IGI at Grandborough on 13 October 1817 of a James FARMER and Martha HEMINGS, so either Martha was a widow when she married James or was a single mother. I think the only way you are going to solve your problem is to consult the parish registers of Grandborough and see what you can glean from them. Louisa's birth is very early on in the registration period and therefore may well not have been registered so you are much better off looking for her baptism and as her grandmother seems to be Grandborough born and bred as well as her mother being born in the parish, there is a good chance the parish registers may give you some clues. Her mother may well have married after Louisa's birth which could be why you are having difficulty finding her after 1841. BMSGH have produced the Grandborough PRs on fiche which you can purchase from their website. The other avenue to explore is to see if the LDS have microfilmed the PRS and if so hire them to view in situ at your nearest LDS Family History Centre - their Libray History Catalogue search facility does not appear to be working at the moment so I can't check to see if they have been filmed for you. Good luck Janet >I would like to mention again the problem I am having in tracing details >for > this family history in case someone can just throw some light on it. > I cannot find an elusive birth record for Louisa HEMMINGS so cannot obtain > a > birth certificate. In the 1851 and 1871 census it states she was born in > Grandborough, in the 1861 census and in a birth certificate of a son born > in > New Zealand it says she was born in Leamington. She was an illegitimate > child to Harriott who was at Birmingham in the 1841 census before Louisa > was > born (she was 9 in 1851). So she would need to be born between 7th Jun > 1841 > (date of census) and 16th Jan 1842 as she died 17th Jan 1929 here in New > Zealand at the age of 87. She apparently told one of her daughters that > her > father was a gypsy, I presume there would be no way of verifying that. > I also cannot trace her mother Harriott from the birth of Louisa on. She > was > christened at Grandborough in 1813, had an illegitimate son Richard in > 1836 > which I cannot find after that date and in 1841 was at Birmingham with no > children. I cannot find her since that time.

If you have anybody in the States I would be only too happy to see what I could find.  Especially NY and the New England area. Dot ________________________________ From: Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 10:03:39 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Moss sisters b 1891 to 1895 Further to my earlier posting, I've done a little rootling for Baby Jessie and her whereabouts in 1901. There were 5 births of "Jessie MOSS" registered in Warwickshire in the 1891-1901:   1892 Dec Q - Birmingham 6d 29 [Jessie Emily]   1895 Jun Q - Warwick 6d 627 [Jessie Florence]   1897 Mar Q - Birmingham 6d 170  )   1898 Jun Q - Birmingham 6d 98    ) [all as Jessie]   1899 Dec Q - Aston -6d 461        ) Only Jessie Florence would fit a birthplace in Leamington - she would seem to be the right one, but the certificate would be needed to confirm her parents. I don't believe that the HANNON Grand-daughter is likely to be her, as her grandparents would seem to be MOSS or LAWRENCE. Furthermore, her age is understated, and her birthplace incorrect - although those frequently occur in Censuses. However... The 1901 lists 3 Jessie MOSSes born 1891-1901 residing in WAR:   The 4-year-old grand-daughter - born Birmingham   A 2-year-old, with parents John & Charlotte - born Birmingham   A 1-year-old, with parents Andrew & Mary Jane - born Sutton Coldfield [which was in Aston District] These seem to match far better the 3 youngest of the births listed above. Furthermore, the 1901 also lists - as an "Inmate" of a Home run by the NSPCC in Essex - a 5-year-old Jessie MOSS of "unknown" birthplace. [She was one of 19 girls aged 5-14, and 10 boys 5-10]. RG13/1724/21/19 - Church Street, Great Coggeshall. This would seem to fit not-too-badly with the reported sighting of her "in London" by her brother Stanley, but of course can't be certain unless the NSPCC still hold her details and is willing to release them to a relative. Gus List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message