The most obvious source is to go to the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library [VWML] site of the English Folk Dance and Song Society [EFSDS] at http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/home.cgi Click on Search Indexes then Folk Song Indexes then Cross Search. Enter Warwickshire as the search term and search. You will have a listing of over 300 songs collected in Warwickshire [not the music or words - but you can then search elsewhere for those]. I hope this helps. John Frearson Past Bagman, The Morris Ring

Could someone please help in finding information about folk somgs in Warwickshire in the 1800s? I am looking for fiddle music and sung music. Many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City

Hi Robyn Found John Ashford to marry Anne Hunt on the 10.05.1727 Rebecca Ashford - who married John Small- was born on the 15.11.1727 John and Rebecca's eldest daughter was named Anne John Small christened 14.07.1724 father named William John and Rebecca named their eldest son William May-be on to something will keep looking. Hopefully someone out there can help. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn Shaw Sent: Friday, 9 July 2010 4:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WAR] Fw: Re: SMALL FAMILY marriages Name of father to both sides who marry, SHOULD be on the wedding certificate. You could ask Birmingham if you think they came from Warwickshire, just email them and say, would parents names be on the certificate if I got it for a wedding, hopefully before first child born, hopefully......a couple of years before first child born. THAT way at least you have the fathers' names only. Mum seemed not to be on until later. You can only ask!!! Found John Ashford marrying Fanny Normicutt on 23.8.1747 on igi. John Small chr 14.7.1724 F William M Mary Rebecca chr 6.10.1750 St Phillips, B.Ham fits time frame for both her and John. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM, lynn walker <[email protected]>wrote: > Robyn > >From 'The Search for John Small - First Fleeter' I obtained a list of the > children for John Small and Rebecca Ashford. > I have since been able to confirm the births via a friend and the > Birmingham > Records Office. > Rebecca's father was John Ashford do not know name of her mother > Anyone know the names of John's parents. Would be great to be able to go > back a generation. > > Anne baptised 21.06.1749 St Philip's > William baptised 26.12.1750 St Martin's believed died 1790 St Martins > Sarah baptised 26.12.1752 St Martin's and died 17.09.1754 St Philip's > Mary baptised on the 01.04.1755 St Martin's > Thomas baptised 01.10.1759 St Martin's believed died 1831 > John born 30.11.1761, baptised 11.12.1761 St Martin's died 02.10.1850 St > Ann's Ryde Sydney. Headstone moved to Field of Mars Cemetery > Sarah baptised 11.09.1764 St Martins > Samuel baptised 04.08.1766 St Martin's believed died 27.07.1786 aged 20 > years > Joseph baptised 11.05.1771 St Martin's believed died 13.02.1794 aged 23 > years > > Lyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Robyn Shaw > Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2010 7:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Fw: Re: SMALL FAMILY marriages > > Thanks for that....same church sounds likely....well can only take them > down....if they had kids with their parents names now...... > how much time do you have here??? If there anything I can od for you in > Australia? Robyn > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Two possible marriages for Sarah > > > > > > 1. Spouse: JOHN SMITH > > > Marriage: 11 JUN > > > 1786 St Martin, Birmingham > > > 2. Spouse: WILLIAM NICHOLS > > > Marriage: 13 SEP > > > 1785 Saint Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one for Mary > > > > > > Spouse: JAMES IWIN > > > Marriage: 30 JUL 1783 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > two possible for Thomas > > > > > > 1. Spouse: SUSANNA PARISH > > > Marriage: 09 JUN 1778 Saint > > > Martin , Birmingham > > > > > > 2. Spouse: MARY HUNT > > > Marriage: 28 JUL 1788 Saint > > > Martin, > > > > > > one possible for Joseph > > > > > > Spouse: REBECCA LEES > > > Marriage: 02 JUL 1787 Saint > > > Phillips, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Small children of John & Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. SARAH SMALL - Christening: 11 SEP 1764 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 2. JOSEPH SMALL - Christening: 11 MAY 1771 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 3. SAMUEL SMALL - Christening: 04 AUG 1766 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 4. MARY SMALL - Christening: 02 APR 1755 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 5. JOHN SMALL - Christening: 11 DEC 1761 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 6. THOMAS SMALL - Christening: 01 OCT 1759 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [WAR] SMALL FAMILY > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 6:39 AM > > > > > > OK...can only find one child so > > > > > > far...others might have died or mother > > > might > > > > > > have?? > > > > > > > > > > > > go to latter day saints > > > site...familysearch.org > > > > > > > > > > > > on bottom of entry details it says advanced > > > > search, click > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW, if you want to find kids of certain > > > parents, > > > > you only > > > > > > fill in the RIGHT > > > > > > HAND SIDE. > > > > > > > > > > > > you put in john small and rebecca ashford, > > > > nothing else!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > All the kids of those parents come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only one I can find is a Mary Small chr > > > > 1.4.1755 St > > > > > > Martins Birmingham > > > > > > with parents John and Rebecca. > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN if you go to St Martins site, from > > > Hugh > > > > Wallis batch > > > > > > numbers site, > > > > > > click england then birmingham then st > > > martins and > > > > see if > > > > > > they have people > > > > > > called Small there for St Martins....you > > > should > > > > find Mary, > > > > > > could be others > > > > > > with Rebecca spelt wrongly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to it.....if you do not understand ask > > > again. > > > > > > Robyn Shaw, Toowoomba, > > > > > > Qld. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Robyn Shaw > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, if you go to NSW BMD Index and > > > click in > > > > death > > > > > > records. Put in John > > > > > > > Small and only 1850 to 18050, there he > > > > is....aged 87, > > > > > > so two years out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could email them and tell them the > > > > details and > > > > > > they have no parents as > > > > > > > whoever put in the death record didn't > > > > know. > > > > > > Robyn, Qld. Oz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Robyn > > > Shaw > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Lyn , look up index of first > > > fleeters > > > > and type in > > > > > > family name of SMALL. > > > > > > >> John comes up. He died in > > > > 1850. Robyn > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, > > > Robyn > > > > Shaw <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Lyn, familysearch.org has John > > > Small > > > > marrying > > > > > > Reb. Ashford on 4.4.1749 > > > > > > >>> at Harborne, Stafford Robyn > > > > Qld O)z > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:30 > > > PM, > > > > Robyn Shaw > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Hi again, if you look at > > > Hugh > > > > Wallis, > > > > > > England, Birmingham, St Martins, > > > > > > >>>> then look under > > > christenings, > > > > can't find > > > > > > them marrying there, there is > > > > > > >>>> children of John Small and > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > listed.....all chr St Martins > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mary 1755, Thomas 1759, > > > JOHN > > > > 1761, Sarah > > > > > > 1764, Samuel 1766, and Joseph > > > > > > >>>> 1771. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Maybe this is the John who > > > came > > > > to > > > > > > Oz. Try looking up index of first > > > > > > >>>> fleeters, Australia or > > > something > > > > like that > > > > > > and you might find him.. Robyn, > > > > > > >>>> Qld. Oz. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at > > > > 4:14 PM, > > > > > > lynn walker < > > > > > > >>>> [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> My Ancestors were the > > > Small > > > > Family who > > > > > > lived in Birmingham. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> John Small married > > > Rebecca > > > > Ashford > > > > > > circ. 1748, St Martin's Church > > > > > > >>>>> Birmingham > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> They had a number of > > > > children one > > > > > > being John Small Jnr. 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WOW...read all the info on old registers....can't even understand the writing myself and the latter day saints self tutorial is absolutely wonderful.....thanks for that. Robyn. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Robyn > > For a basic breakdown of information to be found in Parish Registers, with > examples see > http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/home.htm > > Pre Civil registration is where it starts to get really interesting > > You might like to have a look at the free online classes on familysearch > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp > > (lower half of the screen under Family History Library) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > Gus, can you tell us, and maybe others, what on earth WAS on a wedding > > certificate before 1837. With so many people having the same names, how > > did > > one differentiate between John Small of Blogs Street who married Mary > > Dunnnowho, and John Small of Jones Street who also married a Mary, both > in > > the same district....how would you ever find YOUR John or for that > matter, > > your Mary? > > Robyn, Qld. Oz. > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Thank you for details of info on certificates....to be honest I am still trying to find the 'brickworks' my 'family' owned in Staffordshire....well they worked in a cement works! That is close enough.....not to mention the one who 'married a DUKE!' - well he was, a Mr Duke and then there was the one who married a 'CAPTAIN' - well he was, a Salvation Army Captain.....all genealogy is interesting isn't it? Sad about the Duke and Captain though. All the best. Robyn, Qld. Oz. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Robyn > > For a basic breakdown of information to be found in Parish Registers, with > examples see > http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/home.htm > > Pre Civil registration is where it starts to get really interesting > > You might like to have a look at the free online classes on familysearch > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp > > (lower half of the screen under Family History Library) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > Gus, can you tell us, and maybe others, what on earth WAS on a wedding > > certificate before 1837. With so many people having the same names, how > > did > > one differentiate between John Small of Blogs Street who married Mary > > Dunnnowho, and John Small of Jones Street who also married a Mary, both > in > > the same district....how would you ever find YOUR John or for that > matter, > > your Mary? > > Robyn, Qld. Oz. > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Gus, can you tell us, and maybe others, what on earth WAS on a wedding certificate before 1837. With so many people having the same names, how did one differentiate between John Small of Blogs Street who married Mary Dunnnowho, and John Small of Jones Street who also married a Mary, both in the same district....how would you ever find YOUR John or for that matter, your Mary? Robyn, Qld. Oz. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Gus Tysoe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Name of father to both sides who marry, SHOULD be on the wedding > > certificate. > I've not been following this thread, but *IF* this marriage was of the > parents of John the First Fleeter - which it appears to be from the > context - then the Register will NOT show the fathers' names :-( > > That specific requirement wasn't introduced until the adoption of Civil > Registration on 1 July 1837. > > Gus > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.

Remember there are still many places in the world where there is no systematic registration of births, marriages and deaths but normally everyone in the neighbourhood, village, tribe or clan knows who's who going back several generations. Some societies may have locally written genealogies, but in many cases they still rely on oral history. That would have been the case in Britain. Everyone in the street or parish would have known directly or by hearsay which John married which Mary. If you moved to another place or to the big city where nobody knew you, there was nothing to stop you calling yourself anything you liked. Few people would have come into contact with any administration outside the parish where they lived. If necessary, someone would vouch for them - an employer, a landlord, the local vicar, etc. Many British people still have an aversion to being asked for proof of identity, hence the widespread opposition to carrying identity cards. I had a case where two men of the same age with the same names (who it later turned out were first cousins) married women with the same first names in the same year in the same area. It took several years, but we finally proved which couple was which, through circumstantial evidence that led eventually to sufficient proof - a place of birth of a descendant still living at the time of the 1851 census, the name of relative later living with the family, a surname given as a middle name somewhere else in the family, etc. If there are wills they can be useful as fathers often described their married daughters as "wife of X" and the grandchildren may be named at the same time, thus aiding identification. Just saw a headline that if the new British Govt has its way, 2011 will be the last official census in its present form. MAR in France. > Message du 09/07/10 23:43 > De : "Robyn Shaw" > A : [email protected] > Copie à : > Objet : Re: [WAR] Fw: Re: SMALL FAMILY marriages > > > Gus, can you tell us, and maybe others, what on earth WAS on a wedding > certificate before 1837. With so many people having the same names, how did > one differentiate between John Small of Blogs Street who married Mary > Dunnnowho, and John Small of Jones Street who also married a Mary, both in > the same district....how would you ever find YOUR John or for that matter, > your Mary? > Robyn, Qld. Oz. > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Gus Tysoe wrote: > > > > > > Name of father to both sides who marry, SHOULD be on the wedding > > > certificate. > > I've not been following this thread, but *IF* this marriage was of the > > parents of John the First Fleeter - which it appears to be from the > > context - then the Register will NOT show the fathers' names :-( > > > > That specific requirement wasn't introduced until the adoption of Civil > > Registration on 1 July 1837. > > > > Gus > > > > List archives are at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Robyn Freney-Shaw > Manager/Co-Ordinator > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > Toowoomba. > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Robyn For a basic breakdown of information to be found in Parish Registers, with examples see http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/registers/home.htm Pre Civil registration is where it starts to get really interesting You might like to have a look at the free online classes on familysearch http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp (lower half of the screen under Family History Library) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Gus, can you tell us, and maybe others, what on earth WAS on a wedding > certificate before 1837. With so many people having the same names, how > did > one differentiate between John Small of Blogs Street who married Mary > Dunnnowho, and John Small of Jones Street who also married a Mary, both in > the same district....how would you ever find YOUR John or for that matter, > your Mary? > Robyn, Qld. Oz.

Name of father to both sides who marry, SHOULD be on the wedding certificate. You could ask Birmingham if you think they came from Warwickshire, just email them and say, would parents names be on the certificate if I got it for a wedding, hopefully before first child born, hopefully......a couple of years before first child born. THAT way at least you have the fathers' names only. Mum seemed not to be on until later. You can only ask!!! Found John Ashford marrying Fanny Normicutt on 23.8.1747 on igi. John Small chr 14.7.1724 F William M Mary Rebecca chr 6.10.1750 St Phillips, B.Ham fits time frame for both her and John. On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:43 PM, lynn walker <[email protected]>wrote: > Robyn > >From 'The Search for John Small - First Fleeter' I obtained a list of the > children for John Small and Rebecca Ashford. > I have since been able to confirm the births via a friend and the > Birmingham > Records Office. > Rebecca's father was John Ashford do not know name of her mother > Anyone know the names of John's parents. Would be great to be able to go > back a generation. > > Ann baptised 21.06.1749 St Philip's > William baptised 26.12.1750 St Martin's believed died 1790 St Martins > Sarah baptised 26.12.1752 St Martin's and died 17.09.1754 St Philip's > Mary baptised on the 01.04.1755 St Martin's > Thomas baptised 01.10.1759 St Martin's believed died 1831 > John born 30.11.1761, baptised 11.12.1761 St Martin's died 02.10.1850 St > Ann's Ryde Sydney. Headstone moved to Field of Mars Cemetery > Sarah baptised 11.09.1764 St Martins > Samuel baptised 04.08.1766 St Martin's believed died 27.07.1786 aged 20 > years > Joseph baptised 11.05.1771 St Martin's believed died 13.02.1794 aged 23 > years > > Lyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Robyn Shaw > Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2010 7:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WAR] Fw: Re: SMALL FAMILY marriages > > Thanks for that....same church sounds likely....well can only take them > down....if they had kids with their parents names now...... > how much time do you have here??? If there anything I can od for you in > Australia? Robyn > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > Two possible marriages for Sarah > > > > > > 1. Spouse: JOHN SMITH > > > Marriage: 11 JUN > > > 1786 St Martin, Birmingham > > > 2. Spouse: WILLIAM NICHOLS > > > Marriage: 13 SEP > > > 1785 Saint Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one for Mary > > > > > > Spouse: JAMES IWIN > > > Marriage: 30 JUL 1783 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > two possible for Thomas > > > > > > 1. Spouse: SUSANNA PARISH > > > Marriage: 09 JUN 1778 Saint > > > Martin , Birmingham > > > > > > 2. Spouse: MARY HUNT > > > Marriage: 28 JUL 1788 Saint > > > Martin, > > > > > > one possible for Joseph > > > > > > Spouse: REBECCA LEES > > > Marriage: 02 JUL 1787 Saint > > > Phillips, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Small children of John & Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. SARAH SMALL - Christening: 11 SEP 1764 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 2. JOSEPH SMALL - Christening: 11 MAY 1771 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 3. SAMUEL SMALL - Christening: 04 AUG 1766 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 4. MARY SMALL - Christening: 02 APR 1755 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 5. JOHN SMALL - Christening: 11 DEC 1761 Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > > > 6. THOMAS SMALL - Christening: 01 OCT 1759 > > > Saint > > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > From: Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [WAR] SMALL FAMILY > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 6:39 AM > > > > > > OK...can only find one child so > > > > > > far...others might have died or mother > > > might > > > > > > have?? > > > > > > > > > > > > go to latter day saints > > > site...familysearch.org > > > > > > > > > > > > on bottom of entry details it says advanced > > > > search, click > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW, if you want to find kids of certain > > > parents, > > > > you only > > > > > > fill in the RIGHT > > > > > > HAND SIDE. > > > > > > > > > > > > you put in john small and rebecca ashford, > > > > nothing else!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > All the kids of those parents come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only one I can find is a Mary Small chr > > > > 1.4.1755 St > > > > > > Martins Birmingham > > > > > > with parents John and Rebecca. > > > > > > > > > > > > THEN if you go to St Martins site, from > > > Hugh > > > > Wallis batch > > > > > > numbers site, > > > > > > click england then birmingham then st > > > martins and > > > > see if > > > > > > they have people > > > > > > called Small there for St Martins....you > > > should > > > > find Mary, > > > > > > could be others > > > > > > with Rebecca spelt wrongly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Go to it.....if you do not understand ask > > > again. > > > > > > Robyn Shaw, Toowoomba, > > > > > > Qld. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Robyn Shaw > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, if you go to NSW BMD Index and > > > click in > > > > death > > > > > > records. Put in John > > > > > > > Small and only 1850 to 18050, there he > > > > is....aged 87, > > > > > > so two years out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You could email them and tell them the > > > > details and > > > > > > they have no parents as > > > > > > > whoever put in the death record didn't > > > > know. > > > > > > Robyn, Qld. Oz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Robyn > > > Shaw > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Lyn , look up index of first > > > fleeters > > > > and type in > > > > > > family name of SMALL. > > > > > > >> John comes up. He died in > > > > 1850. Robyn > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, > > > Robyn > > > > Shaw <[email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Lyn, familysearch.org has John > > > Small > > > > marrying > > > > > > Reb. Ashford on 4.4.1749 > > > > > > >>> at Harborne, Stafford Robyn > > > > Qld O)z > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:30 > > > PM, > > > > Robyn Shaw > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Hi again, if you look at > > > Hugh > > > > Wallis, > > > > > > England, Birmingham, St Martins, > > > > > > >>>> then look under > > > christenings, > > > > can't find > > > > > > them marrying there, there is > > > > > > >>>> children of John Small and > > > > Rebecca > > > > > > listed.....all chr St Martins > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Mary 1755, Thomas 1759, > > > JOHN > > > > 1761, Sarah > > > > > > 1764, Samuel 1766, and Joseph > > > > > > >>>> 1771. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Maybe this is the John who > > > came > > > > to > > > > > > Oz. Try looking up index of first > > > > > > >>>> fleeters, Australia or > > > something > > > > like that > > > > > > and you might find him.. Robyn, > > > > > > >>>> Qld. Oz. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at > > > > 4:14 PM, > > > > > > lynn walker < > > > > > > >>>> [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>>> My Ancestors were the > > > Small > > > > Family who > > > > > > lived in Birmingham. > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> John Small married > > > Rebecca > > > > Ashford > > > > > > circ. 1748, St Martin's Church > > > > > > >>>>> Birmingham > > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >>>>> They had a number of > > > > children one > > > > > > being John Small Jnr. 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Robyn >From 'The Search for John Small - First Fleeter' I obtained a list of the children for John Small and Rebecca Ashford. I have since been able to confirm the births via a friend and the Birmingham Records Office. Rebecca's father was John Ashford do not know name of her mother Anyone know the names of John's parents. Would be great to be able to go back a generation. Ann baptised 21.06.1749 St Philip's William baptised 26.12.1750 St Martin's believed died 1790 St Martins Sarah baptised 26.12.1752 St Martin's and died 17.09.1754 St Philip's Mary baptised on the 01.04.1755 St Martin's Thomas baptised 01.10.1759 St Martin's believed died 1831 John born 30.11.1761, baptised 11.12.1761 St Martin's died 02.10.1850 St Ann's Ryde Sydney. Headstone moved to Field of Mars Cemetery Sarah baptised 11.09.1764 St Martins Samuel baptised 04.08.1766 St Martin's believed died 27.07.1786 aged 20 years Joseph baptised 11.05.1771 St Martin's believed died 13.02.1794 aged 23 years Lyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robyn Shaw Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2010 7:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WAR] Fw: Re: SMALL FAMILY marriages Thanks for that....same church sounds likely....well can only take them down....if they had kids with their parents names now...... how much time do you have here??? If there anything I can od for you in Australia? Robyn On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Two possible marriages for Sarah > > > > 1. Spouse: JOHN SMITH > > Marriage: 11 JUN > > 1786 St Martin, Birmingham > > 2. Spouse: WILLIAM NICHOLS > > Marriage: 13 SEP > > 1785 Saint Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > one for Mary > > > > Spouse: JAMES IWIN > > Marriage: 30 JUL 1783 Saint > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > two possible for Thomas > > > > 1. Spouse: SUSANNA PARISH > > Marriage: 09 JUN 1778 Saint > > Martin , Birmingham > > > > 2. Spouse: MARY HUNT > > Marriage: 28 JUL 1788 Saint > > Martin, > > > > one possible for Joseph > > > > Spouse: REBECCA LEES > > Marriage: 02 JUL 1787 Saint > > Phillips, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Small children of John & Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. SARAH SMALL - Christening: 11 SEP 1764 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 2. JOSEPH SMALL - Christening: 11 MAY 1771 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 3. SAMUEL SMALL - Christening: 04 AUG 1766 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 4. MARY SMALL - Christening: 02 APR 1755 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 5. JOHN SMALL - Christening: 11 DEC 1761 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 6. THOMAS SMALL - Christening: 01 OCT 1759 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: [WAR] SMALL FAMILY > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 6:39 AM > > > > > OK...can only find one child so > > > > > far...others might have died or mother > > might > > > > > have?? > > > > > > > > > > go to latter day saints > > site...familysearch.org > > > > > > > > > > on bottom of entry details it says advanced > > > search, click > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > NOW, if you want to find kids of certain > > parents, > > > you only > > > > > fill in the RIGHT > > > > > HAND SIDE. > > > > > > > > > > you put in john small and rebecca ashford, > > > nothing else!!! > > > > > > > > > > All the kids of those parents come up. > > > > > > > > > > The only one I can find is a Mary Small chr > > > 1.4.1755 St > > > > > Martins Birmingham > > > > > with parents John and Rebecca. > > > > > > > > > > THEN if you go to St Martins site, from > > Hugh > > > Wallis batch > > > > > numbers site, > > > > > click england then birmingham then st > > martins and > > > see if > > > > > they have people > > > > > called Small there for St Martins....you > > should > > > find Mary, > > > > > could be others > > > > > with Rebecca spelt wrongly. > > > > > > > > > > Go to it.....if you do not understand ask > > again. > > > > > Robyn Shaw, Toowoomba, > > > > > Qld. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Robyn Shaw > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, if you go to NSW BMD Index and > > click in > > > death > > > > > records. Put in John > > > > > > Small and only 1850 to 18050, there he > > > is....aged 87, > > > > > so two years out. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could email them and tell them the > > > details and > > > > > they have no parents as > > > > > > whoever put in the death record didn't > > > know. > > > > > Robyn, Qld. Oz > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Robyn > > Shaw > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Lyn , look up index of first > > fleeters > > > and type in > > > > > family name of SMALL. > > > > > >> John comes up. He died in > > > 1850. Robyn > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, > > Robyn > > > Shaw <[email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Lyn, familysearch.org has John > > Small > > > marrying > > > > > Reb. Ashford on 4.4.1749 > > > > > >>> at Harborne, Stafford Robyn > > > Qld O)z > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:30 > > PM, > > > Robyn Shaw > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Hi again, if you look at > > Hugh > > > Wallis, > > > > > England, Birmingham, St Martins, > > > > > >>>> then look under > > christenings, > > > can't find > > > > > them marrying there, there is > > > > > >>>> children of John Small and > > > Rebecca > > > > > listed.....all chr St Martins > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mary 1755, Thomas 1759, > > JOHN > > > 1761, Sarah > > > > > 1764, Samuel 1766, and Joseph > > > > > >>>> 1771. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Maybe this is the John who > > came > > > to > > > > > Oz. Try looking up index of first > > > > > >>>> fleeters, Australia or > > something > > > like that > > > > > and you might find him.. Robyn, > > > > > >>>> Qld. Oz. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at > > > 4:14 PM, > > > > > lynn walker < > > > > > >>>> [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> My Ancestors were the > > Small > > > Family who > > > > > lived in Birmingham. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> John Small married > > Rebecca > > > Ashford > > > > > circ. 1748, St Martin's Church > > > > > >>>>> Birmingham > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> They had a number of > > > children one > > > > > being John Small Jnr. Who was > > > > > >>>>> transported > > > > > >>>>> to Australia > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On the 1st Fleet. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> My knowledge of the > > family > > > is very > > > > > limited and would love to learn > > > > > >>>>> more. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Can anyone help please > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Lyn Walker > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> List archives are at > > > > > >>>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > > >>>>> > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from > > the > > > list, please > > > > > send an email to > > > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > > >>>>> quotes in the subject > > and > > > the body of > > > > > the message > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >>>> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >>>> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >>>> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >>>> Toowoomba. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >>> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >>> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >>> Toowoomba. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >> Toowoomba. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > > Toowoomba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > Toowoomba. > > > > > List archives are at > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > > an > > > email to > > > > [email protected] > > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > > the > > > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to > > > > [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > Toowoomba. > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba. 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> Name of father to both sides who marry, SHOULD be on the wedding > certificate. I've not been following this thread, but *IF* this marriage was of the parents of John the First Fleeter - which it appears to be from the context - then the Register will NOT show the fathers' names :-( That specific requirement wasn't introduced until the adoption of Civil Registration on 1 July 1837. Gus

To Dot in New Hampshire, I am sorry I can't help you with William R Murcott. Good luck, Norma.

Hi, Thank you , I thought the ship was Grenada but wasn't sure. I have googled the storm in the past and neither Abraham or The Granado was mentioned. I sure have learnt a lot about the storm, though. I will keep looking and hope to find someone with him on their tree. Cheers, Norma.

Thank you anyway. Dot ________________________________ From: Norma Tonks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 4:40:26 AM Subject: [WAR] Murcott To Dot in New Hampshire,  I am sorry I can't help you with William R Murcott. Good luck, Norma. List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, I am researching Murcott/ Webb. I have a book on Cubbington and there is a mention on Mariner Abraham Murcott who lost his life during the Great Storm of 1703. The ship went down and all lives were lost near the Isles of Scilly. Can anyone tell me the name of the ship and Abraham details, please. Thank you. Norma Tonks nee Webb.

Hi Norma, I am also researching Webb's in Warwickshire, specifically around Coventry. What areas are you researching? My e-mail address is [email protected], so you can reply off list. Thanks Dawn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norma Tonks Sent: 07 July 2010 12:43 To: [email protected] Subject: [WAR] Murcott Hello All, I am researching Murcott/ Webb. I have a book on Cubbington and there is a mention on Mariner Abraham Murcott who lost his life during the Great Storm of 1703. The ship went down and all lives were lost near the Isles of Scilly. Can anyone tell me the name of the ship and Abraham details, please. Thank you. Norma Tonks nee Webb. List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI, If you do a google search for the great storm of 1703, Wikipedia lists the ships in the royal navy that were sunk during that storm. Perhaps there is a listing of the crew for those ships with the govt archives. doing another search Captain Murcott was on the Granado --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Norma Tonks <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Norma Tonks <[email protected]> > Subject: [WAR] Murcott > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 7:43 AM > Hello All, I am researching Murcott/ > Webb.  I have a book on Cubbington and there is a > mention on Mariner Abraham Murcott who lost his life during > the Great Storm of 1703.  The ship went down and all > lives were lost  near the Isles of Scilly.  Can > anyone tell me the name of the ship and Abraham details, > please.  Thank you. Norma Tonks nee Webb. > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Could someone please help with information on SPENCER families in or near Coventry, 1785-1796? My earliest documents are for the birth of Thomas Martin SPENCER (Coverntry, November 10, 1792) and marriage (London, May 1812). Members of this family were bakers, tallow chandlers, candle makers, and blacksmiths. Many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City.

I would be delighted to make contact with any descendants of Arthur WELLS & Naomi SMITH, married in 1869 in Rugby, Warwickshire. Arthur was the son of William WELLS and was born in Bretford, Warwickshire in 1847. Naomi SMITH was the daughter of James SMITH and Ann MALIN and was born in 1851 in Long Itchington, Warwickshire. Arthur and Naomi's children were: William b. 1869 Albert E. b. 1872 Ernest b. 1875 James b. 1876 Henry J. 1877 Lewis b.1879 Fanny b. 1882 These dates may not be 100% correct. Thank you Stella Smith New Zealand

Thanks for that....same church sounds likely....well can only take them down....if they had kids with their parents names now...... how much time do you have here??? If there anything I can od for you in Australia? Robyn On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Two possible marriages for Sarah > > > > 1. Spouse: JOHN SMITH > > Marriage: 11 JUN > > 1786 St Martin, Birmingham > > 2. Spouse: WILLIAM NICHOLS > > Marriage: 13 SEP > > 1785 Saint Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > one for Mary > > > > Spouse: JAMES IWIN > > Marriage: 30 JUL 1783 Saint > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > two possible for Thomas > > > > 1. Spouse: SUSANNA PARISH > > Marriage: 09 JUN 1778 Saint > > Martin , Birmingham > > > > 2. Spouse: MARY HUNT > > Marriage: 28 JUL 1788 Saint > > Martin, > > > > one possible for Joseph > > > > Spouse: REBECCA LEES > > Marriage: 02 JUL 1787 Saint > > Phillips, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Jestrrwolf <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Small children of John & Rebecca > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. SARAH SMALL - Christening: 11 SEP 1764 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 2. JOSEPH SMALL - Christening: 11 MAY 1771 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 3. SAMUEL SMALL - Christening: 04 AUG 1766 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 4. MARY SMALL - Christening: 02 APR 1755 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 5. JOHN SMALL - Christening: 11 DEC 1761 Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham, > > > > Warwick, England > > > > > > > > 6. THOMAS SMALL - Christening: 01 OCT 1759 > > Saint > > > Martin, Birmingham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Robyn Shaw <[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: Re: [WAR] SMALL FAMILY > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 6:39 AM > > > > > OK...can only find one child so > > > > > far...others might have died or mother > > might > > > > > have?? > > > > > > > > > > go to latter day saints > > site...familysearch.org > > > > > > > > > > on bottom of entry details it says advanced > > > search, click > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > NOW, if you want to find kids of certain > > parents, > > > you only > > > > > fill in the RIGHT > > > > > HAND SIDE. > > > > > > > > > > you put in john small and rebecca ashford, > > > nothing else!!! > > > > > > > > > > All the kids of those parents come up. > > > > > > > > > > The only one I can find is a Mary Small chr > > > 1.4.1755 St > > > > > Martins Birmingham > > > > > with parents John and Rebecca. > > > > > > > > > > THEN if you go to St Martins site, from > > Hugh > > > Wallis batch > > > > > numbers site, > > > > > click england then birmingham then st > > martins and > > > see if > > > > > they have people > > > > > called Small there for St Martins....you > > should > > > find Mary, > > > > > could be others > > > > > with Rebecca spelt wrongly. > > > > > > > > > > Go to it.....if you do not understand ask > > again. > > > > > Robyn Shaw, Toowoomba, > > > > > Qld. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Robyn Shaw > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Lyn, if you go to NSW BMD Index and > > click in > > > death > > > > > records. Put in John > > > > > > Small and only 1850 to 18050, there he > > > is....aged 87, > > > > > so two years out. > > > > > > > > > > > > You could email them and tell them the > > > details and > > > > > they have no parents as > > > > > > whoever put in the death record didn't > > > know. > > > > > Robyn, Qld. Oz > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Robyn > > Shaw > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Lyn , look up index of first > > fleeters > > > and type in > > > > > family name of SMALL. > > > > > >> John comes up. He died in > > > 1850. Robyn > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:34 PM, > > Robyn > > > Shaw <[email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Lyn, familysearch.org has John > > Small > > > marrying > > > > > Reb. Ashford on 4.4.1749 > > > > > >>> at Harborne, Stafford Robyn > > > Qld O)z > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:30 > > PM, > > > Robyn Shaw > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Hi again, if you look at > > Hugh > > > Wallis, > > > > > England, Birmingham, St Martins, > > > > > >>>> then look under > > christenings, > > > can't find > > > > > them marrying there, there is > > > > > >>>> children of John Small and > > > Rebecca > > > > > listed.....all chr St Martins > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Mary 1755, Thomas 1759, > > JOHN > > > 1761, Sarah > > > > > 1764, Samuel 1766, and Joseph > > > > > >>>> 1771. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Maybe this is the John who > > came > > > to > > > > > Oz. Try looking up index of first > > > > > >>>> fleeters, Australia or > > something > > > like that > > > > > and you might find him.. Robyn, > > > > > >>>> Qld. Oz. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at > > > 4:14 PM, > > > > > lynn walker < > > > > > >>>> [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> My Ancestors were the > > Small > > > Family who > > > > > lived in Birmingham. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> John Small married > > Rebecca > > > Ashford > > > > > circ. 1748, St Martin's Church > > > > > >>>>> Birmingham > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> They had a number of > > > children one > > > > > being John Small Jnr. Who was > > > > > >>>>> transported > > > > > >>>>> to Australia > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On the 1st Fleet. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> My knowledge of the > > family > > > is very > > > > > limited and would love to learn > > > > > >>>>> more. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Can anyone help please > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Lyn Walker > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> List archives are at > > > > > >>>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > > >>>>> > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from > > the > > > list, please > > > > > send an email to > > > > > >>>>> [email protected] > > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > > >>>>> quotes in the subject > > and > > > the body of > > > > > the message > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >>>> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >>>> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >>>> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >>>> Toowoomba. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >>> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >>> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >>> Toowoomba. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > >> Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > >> Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > >> Toowoomba. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > > Toowoomba. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > > > Toowoomba. > > > > > List archives are at > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send > > an > > > email to > > > > [email protected] > > > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > > the > > > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to > > > > [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robyn Freney-Shaw > > > Manager/Co-Ordinator > > > Spiritus Soup Kitchen > > > Toowoomba. > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Robyn Freney-Shaw Manager/Co-Ordinator Spiritus Soup Kitchen Toowoomba.