Hello thereis there anyone in the position to look up parish registe for the death of a William Knight who died in 1853 in march at coleshill, Warwickshire. I need to know if his wife was called Rebbeca?This man was married in 1851 to a Rebecca Knight in 1851 but he disappeared by 1861 and Rebecca had remarried. Im wondering if he died . Thanks from New Zealand. Rgards Russel Knight _________________________________________________________________

Wendy: I am in the United States and have recently gone through Catholic registers of births, deaths, marriages written by 19th century Irish and German Catholic priests. For what it is worth, an example: Die 10 julii baptizavi Mariam Reed, filiam Guiliel Reed et Juliae Reed, natae Walsh, natum die 18th Junii 1886. I translated: The 10th of July I baptized Mariam Reed, daughter of William Reed and Julia Reed, born Walsh (referring to the mother), born on the 18th of June 1886 (referring to the child). I found these priests to be semiliterate and with lousy handwriting. Don't envy your task. Best, Cynthia in California In a message dated 7/24/2010 5:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thank you Ann It's a possiblity but he usually adds spuria / us and gives the mother's name. A few entries he has written the reputed father's name as well. I might play safe and add the latin to the notes. all the best Wendy Hi Wendy, I did not do well in Latin either, but an wondering if the "nata/natus" would be the natural born (illigitimate) child of ....... Congratulations on "having a go" and attempting this very difficult task. We will very appreciate your work when it is completed. Thank you, Wendy Anne WABoland wrote: > Hello Searchers. > I am transcribing an early parish register - which is in latin- > and having failed Latin 101, I need some help please from some-one who knows latin as written in the parish registers of the 16th Century. > > Baptisms > The clerk records baptizavi filia/us for some entries > and gives the father's name (no women's names recorded) > for other entries (often on the same page so it's the sma eperson writing ) > he records > nata/us then gives what I assume is the father's name. > I translate these as > I have baptised - ..... the daughter/ son of ....... and > ... born of ....... > > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Russel, The burial register will give no relationships - merely his name, and [maybe] a closer address for him than the mere Parish name. Your better bet would be to buy his death certificate - NOT a thing I like to recommend - for that doesn't give relationships either, but *hopefully* the Informant might've been his wife. Not very Encouraging News, I regret.... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "russel knight" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: [WAR] William Knight > > Hello thereis there anyone in the position to look up parish registe for > the death of a William Knight who died in 1853 in march at coleshill, > Warwickshire. I need to know if his wife was called Rebbeca?This man was > married in 1851 to a Rebecca Knight in 1851 but he disappeared by 1861 and > Rebecca had remarried. Im wondering if he died . Thanks from New Zealand. > Rgards Russel Knight > _________________________________________________________________ > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Russel Unfortunately the Parish register would not record the death but the burial and as a rule it would be unusual to find the wife mentioned The only way to get the details of the death is the certificate There is a possibility there might be an MI if he had a stone Either way you would need to know the Parish the event took place in Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello thereis there anyone in the position to look up parish registe for > the death of a William Knight who died in 1853 in march at coleshill, > Warwickshire. I need to know if his wife was called Rebbeca?This man was > married in 1851 to a Rebecca Knight in 1851 but he disappeared by 1861 and > Rebecca had remarried. Im wondering if he died . Thanks from New Zealand. > Rgards Russel Knight

Hello Charles, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> To: "Warwick List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: [WAR] Birmingham Central Library Archives & Heritage > I'm hoping to be in Birmingham on Wednesday 4th August in order to access > records of All Saints Mental Hospital, which I understand are held in the > Archive & Heritage section of the Central Library. > > Are there any things I need to do before 4th August e..g. obtain a > reader's > ticket or let the staff know in advance what my targets are? I believe that the Archives section of Birmingham Library use the CARN system, so if you have a card from elsewhere take it with you. If not you will need to take some ID with verification of your address. Regards Peter

Hello Charles I accessed these records at the old Birmingham Archives. There are admission records, if I remember rightly, then the patient records were in various books which were male/female records & then various volumes according to dates. I believe the admission booklets were indexed & told you which volume you needed for your ancestor. You can get a Readers ticket when you are there, but will need ID. I was also able to photograph the records, so a camera could come in handy, if there is much info on your ancestor. Be prepared-the patient records can be quite upsetting. Hope this info is up-to-date, it is some years since my research into All Saints, and the records were in the old building. Might be worth a phone call to the Archives, in case you need to book a table etc Jan Ralph >List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I would let the staff know what you hope to achieve before you set off. They are very helpful. Be aware that some of the material is incorrectly catalogued - I was led to believe that some material existed but that turned out not to be the case when I got there (no fault of the current staff I should add). Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Henrywood" <[email protected]> To: "Warwick List" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: [WAR] Birmingham Central Library Archives & Heritage > Good evening, > > I'm hoping to be in Birmingham on Wednesday 4th August in order to access > records of All Saints Mental Hospital, which I understand are held in the > Archive & Heritage section of the Central Library. > > Are there any things I need to do before 4th August e..g. obtain a > reader's > ticket or let the staff know in advance what my targets are? > > I've downloaded the pdf produced by the Archive Service relating to the > hospital and its records. Is there anything else I ought to look at prior > to > the visit? > > Any advice Listers can provide will be gratefully accepted. > > Best wishes > > Charles > [email protected] > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Good evening, I'm hoping to be in Birmingham on Wednesday 4th August in order to access records of All Saints Mental Hospital, which I understand are held in the Archive & Heritage section of the Central Library. Are there any things I need to do before 4th August e..g. obtain a reader's ticket or let the staff know in advance what my targets are? I've downloaded the pdf produced by the Archive Service relating to the hospital and its records. Is there anything else I ought to look at prior to the visit? Any advice Listers can provide will be gratefully accepted. Best wishes Charles [email protected]

Hello Searchers. Not sure if anyone has mentioned the following site before as I have been "out to pasture" for some time but here goes http://www.revolutionaryplayers.org.uk/home.stm Lots of interesting artcles and information - not so much on Family History but you may find an ancestor listed in Birmingham. The Digital Library looks really interesting- Good hunting Wendy

Hello Searchers. I have been uploading files to the FreeREG database and suggest that people may need to search a little wider afield for records. Weddington - several marriages there from "out of town" folks- i.e not residents of the parish - one theory is that the village was popular for weddings because of its name. Northamptonshire and Staffordshire - non conformist records . Several Warwickshire families had their children baptised when the circuit minister was available. Welton circuit has people from Long Lawford Cole Hill Tamworth (will be uploaded this month) has people from Warwickshire. (has been listed under STS rather than split the town between 2 counties) Also note With Peter's permission I am including the following message. I no longer have any use for several of my Warwickshire resources - Trade directories etc. If anyone is interested in these please contact me directly OFF LIST - ONLY on [email protected] please do not enquire via the list as this may infringe on the List Guidelines Thank you Wendy

With their plots being side by side they being relatives or close friends is always a possibility. What is the time period? Bill Churchill ******************* -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carol and Frank Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WAR] Kenilworth cemetery question Hi everyone, I'm kind of thinking out loud and looking to see what other people say. I have two Rawlins ancestors buried in the St. Nicholas Churchyard. As we all know surnames were sometimes spelled differently for one person than another; yet were from the same family. My ancestors were in grave 148 (I believe that's what the number in parenthesis means. I haven't picked up this booklet in some time. Then I find a Rowlins, Richelard (sic) son of Richard & Z- (also the wife of Richard buried in (149). Wouldn't that make you feel that these two families are most likely related? Carol List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I'm kind of thinking out loud and looking to see what other people say. I have two Rawlins ancestors buried in the St. Nicholas Churchyard. As we all know surnames were sometimes spelled differently for one person than another; yet were from the same family. My ancestors were in grave 148 (I believe that's what the number in parenthesis means. I haven't picked up this booklet in some time. Then I find a Rowlins, Richelard (sic) son of Richard & Z- (also the wife of Richard buried in (149). Wouldn't that make you feel that these two families are most likely related? Carol

Are these on the Warwickshire Surnames List? On 12/07/2010, Cliff Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > RANDALL William - Long Compton 1852 > DYER John - Great Wolford 1832 > ROBINSON Esther - Tredington 1834 > RANDEL Thomas - Long Compton 1790 > EDGINGTON Robert - Burmington 1806 > List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- hugh papatoetoe, new zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/ http://www.google.com/profiles/winterscollection

Hi Penny, Yes i did,that's how we found him joining the Navy in 1859...Problem is,that's all they have on him.... Thanks Kaz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Courtney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Problem with my Vannishing Lalor's Royal Naval records are available from Kew, many of them on line (index free, full record £3.50). Search on his name. Kew also has a guide to searching naval records available on line. Penny in Hampshire UK -------------------------------------------------- From: "kaz" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:25 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Problem with my Vannishing Lalor's > Hi All >>From a very very hot & sweltering 50+ in Poland!! > I am new to the list..................... > My relation Walter Lalor born Aston 1843,his parents were Eliza Simmons & > Michael Lalor,on Walter's birth cert it states Eliza was married to > Michael,but there is no trace of a marriage & Michael's occupation was a > policeman...........On the birth cert,the address of where Walter was born > is not very clear,it is James's ?????? The informant is not clear > either,Mary[unreadable surname] living at James's ???? & who she was is > also not clear enough to read,perhaps it was a home for unmarried mothers? > Before Walter was born Michael had a son Henry Lalor born in 1842,on > Henry's birth cert it shows Henry's mother,Hannah Malin who was not > married to Michael but later married Richard Beale in 1850 & Henry Lalor > became a Beale. It still shows Michael as a policeman. > > I have searched the whole of the 1851 census looking for Walter,but as his > mother wasn't married to Michael she may of married someone else,changed > Walter's surname or just vanished? > In 1859 Walter re-appears he joins the Navy,he lied about his age & joins > for 10 years. > 1861 census.......No Walter,perhaps he was at sea? > In 1863 Walter married Elizabeth Perrin in Marylebone,Middlesex & he > states on his marriage cert his father was John Lalor & not Michael! >>From 1863 till his death in 1920 i have all the details............. > > Back to Michael Lalor,it says on the 1841 census he was born in > Ireland,was born around 1821 & was a policeman,then he vanishes.....We > think we may of found Michael in Australia,he married Catherine Mullhall > around 1862,had a few children was a publican in a hotel & later died in > 1890 at Kew, Victoria Au. We are waiting for the marriage & death > certificates to be 100% sure......We also think that Michael could be the > brother of Peter Lalor who later became famous for the Eureka Stockade in > Australia. > Did Michael run away as he was caught having 2 children & would have to > pay twice the amount of money for both kids...........Did he have more > little Lalor's that are yet to be found? > > My 2 problems are........... > 1) I am stuck with trying to fill the 16 years from Walter's birth in > 1843 to his appearance again in 1859 then the 4 years before his marriage > in 1863.....Where did he go? > 2) If Michael was a policeman,would the police force want his parents > details,letter of permission etc etc? Are there any records of Michael > held anywhere,if there is,can i view them online? > Many thanks for your time. > Kaz. > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email List archives are at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Royal Naval records are available from Kew, many of them on line (index free, full record £3.50). Search on his name. Kew also has a guide to searching naval records available on line. Penny in Hampshire UK -------------------------------------------------- From: "kaz" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:25 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [WAR] Problem with my Vannishing Lalor's > Hi All >>From a very very hot & sweltering 50+ in Poland!! > I am new to the list..................... > My relation Walter Lalor born Aston 1843,his parents were Eliza Simmons & > Michael Lalor,on Walter's birth cert it states Eliza was married to > Michael,but there is no trace of a marriage & Michael's occupation was a > policeman...........On the birth cert,the address of where Walter was born > is not very clear,it is James's ?????? The informant is not clear > either,Mary[unreadable surname] living at James's ???? & who she was is > also not clear enough to read,perhaps it was a home for unmarried mothers? > Before Walter was born Michael had a son Henry Lalor born in 1842,on > Henry's birth cert it shows Henry's mother,Hannah Malin who was not > married to Michael but later married Richard Beale in 1850 & Henry Lalor > became a Beale. It still shows Michael as a policeman. > > I have searched the whole of the 1851 census looking for Walter,but as his > mother wasn't married to Michael she may of married someone else,changed > Walter's surname or just vanished? > In 1859 Walter re-appears he joins the Navy,he lied about his age & joins > for 10 years. > 1861 census.......No Walter,perhaps he was at sea? > In 1863 Walter married Elizabeth Perrin in Marylebone,Middlesex & he > states on his marriage cert his father was John Lalor & not Michael! >>From 1863 till his death in 1920 i have all the details............. > > Back to Michael Lalor,it says on the 1841 census he was born in > Ireland,was born around 1821 & was a policeman,then he vanishes.....We > think we may of found Michael in Australia,he married Catherine Mullhall > around 1862,had a few children was a publican in a hotel & later died in > 1890 at Kew, Victoria Au. We are waiting for the marriage & death > certificates to be 100% sure......We also think that Michael could be the > brother of Peter Lalor who later became famous for the Eureka Stockade in > Australia. > Did Michael run away as he was caught having 2 children & would have to > pay twice the amount of money for both kids...........Did he have more > little Lalor's that are yet to be found? > > My 2 problems are........... > 1) I am stuck with trying to fill the 16 years from Walter's birth in > 1843 to his appearance again in 1859 then the 4 years before his marriage > in 1863.....Where did he go? > 2) If Michael was a policeman,would the police force want his parents > details,letter of permission etc etc? Are there any records of Michael > held anywhere,if there is,can i view them online? > Many thanks for your time. > Kaz. > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi All >From a very very hot & sweltering 50+ in Poland!! I am new to the list..................... My relation Walter Lalor born Aston 1843,his parents were Eliza Simmons & Michael Lalor,on Walter's birth cert it states Eliza was married to Michael,but there is no trace of a marriage & Michael's occupation was a policeman...........On the birth cert,the address of where Walter was born is not very clear,it is James's ?????? The informant is not clear either,Mary[unreadable surname] living at James's ???? & who she was is also not clear enough to read,perhaps it was a home for unmarried mothers? Before Walter was born Michael had a son Henry Lalor born in 1842,on Henry's birth cert it shows Henry's mother,Hannah Malin who was not married to Michael but later married Richard Beale in 1850 & Henry Lalor became a Beale. It still shows Michael as a policeman. I have searched the whole of the 1851 census looking for Walter,but as his mother wasn't married to Michael she may of married someone else,changed Walter's surname or just vanished? In 1859 Walter re-appears he joins the Navy,he lied about his age & joins for 10 years. 1861 census.......No Walter,perhaps he was at sea? In 1863 Walter married Elizabeth Perrin in Marylebone,Middlesex & he states on his marriage cert his father was John Lalor & not Michael! >From 1863 till his death in 1920 i have all the details............. Back to Michael Lalor,it says on the 1841 census he was born in Ireland,was born around 1821 & was a policeman,then he vanishes.....We think we may of found Michael in Australia,he married Catherine Mullhall around 1862,had a few children was a publican in a hotel & later died in 1890 at Kew, Victoria Au. We are waiting for the marriage & death certificates to be 100% sure......We also think that Michael could be the brother of Peter Lalor who later became famous for the Eureka Stockade in Australia. Did Michael run away as he was caught having 2 children & would have to pay twice the amount of money for both kids...........Did he have more little Lalor's that are yet to be found? My 2 problems are........... 1) I am stuck with trying to fill the 16 years from Walter's birth in 1843 to his appearance again in 1859 then the 4 years before his marriage in 1863.....Where did he go? 2) If Michael was a policeman,would the police force want his parents details,letter of permission etc etc? Are there any records of Michael held anywhere,if there is,can i view them online? Many thanks for your time. Kaz.

Dear John Frearson, Many thanks for your help. I'll follow your instructions right now. All good wishes, Mary Jane Phillips (Professional name: Mary Jane Phillips-Matz) ---- Original Message ----- From: "John Frearson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Folk Music > The most obvious source is to go to the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library > [VWML] site of the English Folk Dance and Song Society [EFSDS] at > http://library.efdss.org/cgi-bin/home.cgi > > Click on Search Indexes then Folk Song Indexes then Cross Search. > > Enter Warwickshire as the search term and search. > > You will have a listing of over 300 songs collected in Warwickshire [not > the > music or words - but you can then search elsewhere for those]. > > I hope this helps. > > John Frearson > Past Bagman, The Morris Ring > > > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Wendy, and Dear Warwickshire List Members: Heartfelt thanks to Wendy. My PHILLIPS ancestors were from Warwickshire, and they went to Virginia in the late 1600s and early 1700s. In Kentucky my cousins sang and played guitar, banjo, hand drum, and even a clapper and a comb wrapped in paper. They all worked for the Kentucky state government, but in their free time, they played the old songs. Again, my thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City ----- Original Message ----- From: "WABoland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [WAR] Warwickshire Folk Music > Hi Mimi > > Non Gen - more social history but hope Peter won't mind. > > Dredging through my memory banks > The Bar and Ragged Staff - > > not certain who wrote it or how old it is but it was > a song sung by scouts in Warwickshire (my Dad was the Scout master so we > went camping for our holidaysand I learnt lots of campfire songs ) > > It is a reference to the Bear and Ragged staff on the arms of the Earl of > Warwick > > The Warwickshire Song > (Tune Villikins & his Dinah) > > A young earl of Warwick, one Atholl by name, > Did need him a sign for to bring him some fame, > His name meant a bear so a bear he did choose, > And that's how the bear first came into the news. > > Chorus > Rye toodle rye toodle rye toodle rye aye > We'll show you our badge if you come down our way > It's only a bear standing up by a tree, > But it's story was told in 900ad > > Morvidus the earl who came after that chap, > Uprooted an oak and with lions did scrap, > He slew them and cut it to pieces of chaf, > And that's how the bear got his rugged old staff, > > Chorus > > Dont ask me to sing it but I did hear the tune on a web site ages ago > that listed words and music of folk songs. > > Try > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/martin.nail/regional.htm#EastMid > > for more leads. > > Also try a google search for > "Warwickshire Folk songs" > > "Summer is a cumen in" etc but not specific to Warwickshire. > > There is the Coventry Carol - sung in a minor key- very old > > I have vague recollections of more but not sure of the words now but I > think there is a book you might be able to get hold of. > > Wendy > > > > Could someone please help in finding information about folk somgs in > Warwickshire in the 1800s? I am looking for fiddle music and sung music. > Many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City > List archives are at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/WARWICK > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mimi Non Gen - more social history but hope Peter won't mind. Dredging through my memory banks The Bar and Ragged Staff - not certain who wrote it or how old it is but it was a song sung by scouts in Warwickshire (my Dad was the Scout master so we went camping for our holidaysand I learnt lots of campfire songs ) It is a reference to the Bear and Ragged staff on the arms of the Earl of Warwick The Warwickshire Song (Tune Villikins & his Dinah) A young earl of Warwick, one Atholl by name, Did need him a sign for to bring him some fame, His name meant a bear so a bear he did choose, And that's how the bear first came into the news. Chorus Rye toodle rye toodle rye toodle rye aye We'll show you our badge if you come down our way It's only a bear standing up by a tree, But it's story was told in 900ad Morvidus the earl who came after that chap, Uprooted an oak and with lions did scrap, He slew them and cut it to pieces of chaf, And that's how the bear got his rugged old staff, Chorus Dont ask me to sing it but I did hear the tune on a web site ages ago that listed words and music of folk songs. Try http://web.ukonline.co.uk/martin.nail/regional.htm#EastMid for more leads. Also try a google search for "Warwickshire Folk songs" "Summer is a cumen in" etc but not specific to Warwickshire. There is the Coventry Carol - sung in a minor key- very old I have vague recollections of more but not sure of the words now but I think there is a book you might be able to get hold of. Wendy Could someone please help in finding information about folk somgs in Warwickshire in the 1800s? I am looking for fiddle music and sung music. Many, many thanks, Mary Jane Phillips in New York City

RANDALL William - Long Compton 1852 DYER John - Great Wolford 1832 ROBINSON Esther - Tredington 1834 RANDEL Thomas - Long Compton 1790 EDGINGTON Robert - Burmington 1806