Hi Norma, We've corresponded a bit before. I moved from San Diego to Albuquerque about 6 months ago and all my genealogy is still in storeage. I'm working on a fixer at the moment. The DNA test tied my family to this family which has been well documented...at least to the point that James the immigrant was sent to Maine. I've never seen any documentation as to solid proof of his year of birth, parents, etc..only speculation. The following is copied off of Roots Web.... My line descends from Adriel Warren who had a son 1786 (my Peletiah Morrell Warren), 4 daughters all unknown, and youngest son Henry B. Warren. It is the direct male descendant of Henry B. who did the DNA test. I know you have a lot of Warren info and I'm still looking for "ANY FEMALE WARREN BORN IN MAINE, VT, NEW YORK, BETWEEN 1787 AND 1800" AS A POSSIBLE SISTER TO PELETIAH OR HENRY B. WHO WAS BORN 1803 IN CAZENOVIA NY. Nice to hear from you.... Valerie 1. JAMES- b.c.1620 Berwick, Scotland? m. MARGARET ______ (b. Ireland, d. 1713 Berwick, ME) d. 1702 Berwick, ME will 9 Dec.-24 Dec. 1702 Having defeated the Royalists in England and beheaded the king in 1649, Cromwell proceeded to the conquest of Ireland where his fanatical "Croppies" spent the following summer in turning that country into a bloody shambles. Defended or defenseless towns were laid low and his butcheries spared neither the armed nor unarmed. The fanatical Puritan, feeling that he had wiped out the hated Catholics for a generation at least, was aroused by a new challenge in his ruthless progress. The Scottish Parliament had proclaimed the youthful Prince Charles, then a fugitive at the Hague, as their king. The Proclamation was provisional, however, requiring him to subscribe to to their Covenant and accept Parliamentary direction in civil affairs and to the Presbyterian Assembly in ecclesiastical matters. Embarrassing as these terms were, he decided to comply with them, and this situation created a new menace to the Commonwealth and to Cromwell. With his veterans from Ireland as a nucleus, the insatiable "Noll" gathered an army of about 16,000 of which a third were mounted troops. With these he invaded the last kingdom remaining loyal to the Crown and, reaching Edinburgh after some skirmishes he marched his army to Dunbar, a town on the east coast of Scotland just south of the Firth of Forth. By this time his new levies were rapidly decreasing in numbers through disease and fatigue of the forced marches. Supplies could only reach him by sea at Dunbar as General David Leslie in command of the Scottish troops had seized the passes which furnished the only retreat from Scotland to Durham and Berwick-on-Tweed. Leslie's troops outnumbered Cromwell's army, but they were undisciplined clansmen unused to war in its technical aspects and the Scottish general declined to give open battle hoping to starve out Cromwell then hemmed in on the narrow peninsula of Dunbar. Meanwhile the young King Charles had arrived from Holland and joined this motley military organization to the great joy of the clansmen and made himself popular by sharing their rough camp life and engaging in some of the daily skirmishes at the outposts. These "braw laddies" showed their preference for his leadership over the capped and gowned committee of argumentative Covenanters who were busy purging the force of unbelievers until they had eliminated all or most of its skillful soldiers. Then, satisfied that they had an army of approved saints, they demanded that the king retire from the front and leave the direction of the campaign to them. Wishing to take an advantage of a favorable opportunity, Leslie proposed to attack Cromwell on Sunday, but the fanatical dominies would not permit him to break the Sabbath even for this desirable purpose. Night and day these theological crusaders wrestled with the Lord in prayer and finally had assurance in a "revelation" that the Lord of Hosts would deliver Agag (Cromwell) into their hands. They ordered Leslie to attack. Descending from the heights of Lammermoor which overlooked Cromwell's camp they reached the plains of Dunbar. Cromwell, observing this movement did not need any "revelation" to tell him that the Lord of Hosts was about to deliver them into his hands. He had been waiting for that hour as his only salvation. He gave orders for an immediate attack in force and though greatly inferior in numbers his disciplined troops soon showed their superiority over the untrained but brave clansmen. Leslie's army was routed and Cromwell's cavalry pursued the disorganized Covenanters with great slaughter. The chief if not the only resistance to his onslaught was made by a regiment of Highlanders who fought with great desperation as they had learned from his conquest of Ireland the tales that Cromwell would put all men to the sword and thrust hot irons through women's breasts. Three thousand Scots fell in this disaster fighting hopelessly to the last, 10,000 were taken prisoner. About half of the latter were so exhausted and disabled by wounds that Cromwell immediately released them. He wrote that he had lost only twenty men in this battle and he had every reason to believe that the Lord had given him the victory. Of the 5,000 able-bodied prisoners that marched down to Durham cathedral only 3,500 survived the march and raw cabbage which killed with the "flux". The cathedral had been converted into a prison where these unfortunate Highlanders were destined to spend an indefinate period as captives of war. Their disposition was a problem both from a sanitary and political standpoint. An opportunity was presented to the officials of the commonwealth in London. Laborers were greatly needed in the new American colonies and on 19 Sept. 1650, sixteen days after the battle, there was an order in council passed to deliver 900 prisoners for transportation to Virginia and 150 for New England. James was one of 150 survivors selected as "well and sound and free of wound" on behalf of John Becx & Co. of the Saugus Iron Works to be delivered to Augustine Walker of Charlestown master of the "Unity" which sailed 11 Nov. 1650. Sixty of the prisoners were destined for the iron works in Saugus and the remainder were distributed throughout numerous towns in Massachusetts and New Hampshire in a kind of modified slavery or compulsory service which was to terminate in seven years. John Cotton had his qualms about this camouflaged slavery. In a letter to Cromwell dated Boston 28 July 1651 he said: "The Scots whom God delivered into your hands at Dunbarre and whereof sundry were sent hither, we have been desirous (as we could) to make their yoke easy. Such as were sick of the scurvey or other diseases have not wanted Physick and chyrugery. They have not been sold for slaves to perpetual servitude. But for 6 or 7 or 8 yeares as we do our own." While their plight here was pitiful it was not so disastrous as befell those who were left behind in Durham half of whom died within a few months of contagious deseases. In this country they were looked upon as aliens and their Gaelic accent was scarcely understandable.(1) In 1651 Richard Leader, recently resigned from managing the Saugus Iron Works, began with his brother George the management of the mills on the Great Works River for John Becx & Co. Leader brought with him his bond prisoners which were bought for £20 to £30 each. Five years later Leader sold out his interests and freed his servants many of whom were granted land in Kittery. In Newichawannock between Thompson's Brook (Shorey's) and the Great Works River James was granted land 15 Aug. 1656. He received 50 acres with 48 poles (660') fronting Cow Cove where the "Pied Cow" dropped anchor in 1634, now part of the South Berwick Vaughn Woods Memorial. James was the Commissioner for Kittery 5 July 1664.(2) He was on the grand jury 28 Dec. 1665(3) and also 12 June 1666.(4) He was again on jury duty 19 Aug. 1668.(5) In 1670 Margaret and other Scots were admonished for using profane language and in 1674 James was bound to good behavior and was disiplined for abetting Richard Gibson.(6) On 6 Oct. 1662 James bought of John Davis a parcel of land "near the bridge" granted by the town of York in 1652 containing about 40 acres, but it is doubtful that he occupied this purchase. He may have cultivated it and harvested whatever crops he planted. James retained this property for 40 years until it was bequeathed to his son Gilbert.(7) He signed a Kittery petition as a selectman 13 Apr. 1697.(8) He signed a Berwick petition again as a selectman 4 Sept. 1697(9) and another 20 May 1698 requesting £20 for the maintenance of the ministry: "whereas the circumstance of the parish of Barwick continues as bad as, or rather more grievous than hitherto by reason of the not ceasing of the wars & the extreme deadness in trading." They were granted £15 for the maintenance of the ministry for the year beginning Sept. 1698 on 2 Dec. 1698.(10) James then signed a Berwick petition for a township as a Berwick selectman 26 July 1700.(11) "In the name of god Amen: James warren Sinr of the parish of Barwick in the town of Kittrey... Do make & ordain this my last will & testement as foloweth being sick & week of bodey but in good & perfect memory Viz... 1- I do give unto my son Gilbirt warren all yt tract of land which I bought of John Davis liingy in ye town ship of York to him & to his haires forever 2- I do give unto my son James warren all my other Lands marshes medoes buldings of all sorts Liing in ye town shep of Kettrey or elce whare to him & his haires for ever 3- I do Give to my Daughter Margrat Stagpole five Shiling 4- I do Give to by Daughter Grizel five Shilings- 5- I do Give to my Grandaughter Jane Grant five Shilings 6- I do Give to my Grandson James Stacpole- one hefer & one Ewe & a young fold- 7- I do Give unto Margrat waren my loveing wife all ye rest of my of my Estate it being moveabels for her Comfertabel mantainance and no legusi before mentioned to be demanded til her decse 8- I do Constitute & Appoint My liveing wife Margrat & my son James waren to bee Executrix and Executor to this my will & testement made this ninth day of December one thousand seven hundred as wittness my hand- James X Waren his mark- witnesses Robert: X : Gray his mark James: A : Stacpole his mark Nicolas Gowen An Invatary of the Estate of James Warren Late of Kittrey deceased Imp: to his waring Cloathes.............................................. 03-00-00 to two Cows & two Hiffers of three years............ 12-00-00 to fourteen Sheep................................................................ 04-04-00 to Six Swine and Six piggs............................................... 05-08-00 to the Dwelling house and the barn: and ye home Lot of Land.................................................. 80-00-00 to hundred Acres of Land and ten Acres of Marsh Lying at whits Marsh....................................................................... 40-00-00 to two barrels & one hogshead................................ ( ) to one half bushel................................................................ 00-01-00 to two Brast Chaines and Apees and one Cleaver.. 00-16-00 to tooles and old Iron......................................................... 01-07-00 to Brass But Saw................................................................. 00-07-00 to one barrel Sider............................................................. 00-10-00 to Indian Corn....................................................................... 02-05-00 to A grind Stone................................................................... 00-05-00 ( ) from Richard ( )................................................... 05-10-00 to two ( ) and two pichfork tynes................................... 00-03-00 to Linning yarn and wooling Cotton wool and Sheep wool:................................................................. 04-10-00 to beding: and one feather bed bolster and pillowes. 08-00-00 to four sheets:..................................................................... .. 03-00-00 to new Cloath: Linning and woling.................................. 02-10-00 to one brass Kittel............................................................... 02-00-00 to Hachet...................................................................... ......... 00-01-08 to forty Acres of Land by york bridg.............................. 30-00-00 to puter:...................................................................... ............. 01-06-00 to Spoones: woodin Trayes A ( ).................................. 03-00 to one Iron Kittel one pott one fryen pan one skillet one tramel A pare of pot Hoks....................................... 01-01-00 to one Hamer one trowel pare of fire tongs: and som old Iron and A pare of pincers............................................... 00-06-00 to A Chamber pot and: eight pounds flax................... 00-05-06 to four bushels pase:six bushels barley and A Cooler 02-01-00 to A barel and: half of beef.............................................. 02-10-00 to A ( )........................................................................... .... 00-08-00 to money:...................................................................... ........ 11-16-04 to one bushel mault: one bushel Sault........................ 00-06-00 to two Chests...................................................................... . 00-04-00 Aprised December:ye:15:1702 his Peter O Grant mark William Goodin"(12) "In The Name of God Amen. I Margret Warren of the town of Kittrey.... doe make this my Last will and testament in manner as followeth... 2ly I give and bequeath unto my Son Gilbird warren one Cow and three Sheep. 3ly I give and bequeath to my daughter margret Stackpole my great Brass Kittle and two Blankits and one Coverlid and ten yeards of woling Cloath and my great wodden platter and one pare of Sheets and all my waring Cloathes 4ly I give and bequeath into my Son James Warren my feather bed and bolster and all the Rest of my Estat whatsoever abroad or at home without dores or within 5ly I doe ordain and Appoint my Son James Warren the hole and Soul Executor to this my Last will and testament revoaking and Renounsing all other will heretofore by me made In witness hereof I set to my hand and Seal this thirteen day of december Anno Domni-one thousand seven hundred and twelve- Signed Sealed and ( ) to be her Last will and testament in the presence of her Margret X Warren mark his Baker X Nason mark Joseph Wood Thomas Curtis"(13) Issue- • 2I. GILBERT- b. 1654 Berwick, ME, m. SARAH EMERY (m.1. John Thompson), will 17 Apr. 1733 • 3II. MARGARET- m. before 1680 JAMES STACKPOLE • III. Jane- m. 4 Aug. 1690 William Grant • 4IV. JAMES- b.1667 Berwick, ME, m. 1691 MARY FOST of Dover, d.c.1724 • V. Grizel- b. 6 March 1662 Berwick, ME, m. Richard Otis, d. 27 Oct. 1750 Montreal, P.Q. Ref: (1) History of York, Maine- Banks, Vol.I, pp.206-9 (2) York Co. Court Records- Vol.II, p.205 (3) Ibid- Vol.III, p.42 (4) Ibid- p.54 (5) Ibid- Vol.IV, p.61 (6) Genealogical Dictionary of Maine & New Hampshire- p.721 (7) York Deeds- Vol.4, p.159 (8) Mass. Archives- Vol.3, pp.385-6 (9) Ibid- Vol.11, pp.125-125a (10) Ibid- p.127a (11) Ibid- Vol.3, p.394a (12) York Co. Probate- I, 85 (13) Ibid- II, 66 Additional References: History and Genealogy of the Stackpole Family- pp.61-2 Adriel Warren of Berwick, ME: His Forebears and Descendants- Vanetta Hosford Warren, Boston, 1969 Proceedings of the Massachusetts Historical Society- Vol.LXI, pp.16-29 ________________________________________ 2I. GILBERT (JAMES 1) b.c.1654 m. SARAH EMERY (m.1. John Thompson) will 17 Apr. 1733 Issue- • I. Jane- m. 11 Dec. 1718 John Stockbridge • 5II. MARGARET- m. 15 Dec. 1717 WILLIAM HEARLE (d. before 19 July 1725), living in 1725 Ref: Old Kittery and Her Families- Everett S. Stackpole, Lewiston Journal, 1903, p.786 ________________________________________ 4V. JAMES (JAMES 1) m. 1691 MARY (2) FOST of Dover Adm. 6 July 1725? James was a surveyor of highways and fences in 1692-3, and in 1698-9; constable in 1693-4; grandjuryman in 1695 and 1702; selectman from 1696 to 1698; auditing committee from 1696 to 1699; and on the committee to divide Kittery from Berwick in Feb. 1713/4. Mary deposed in 1734 age 67 that it was 44 years since she first knew the Lovering house at Quamphegan. In June 1750, age 84, she gave a deposition concerning the early Chadbourne family. James Warren of Berwick, cordwainer, sold for £15 to Benjamin Weymouth and Thomas Hobbs of Sommersworth, laborers, six acres "which Tract or Parcel of Land was Granted to my Father James Warren of Barwick late Decd in the Year 1673 by the Town of Kittery... Part of an additional Grant to my Fathers Homestedd place..."(1) The deed was witnessed by "Gilbard Warren" and Nathaniel Perkins. Issue- • I. Mary- b. 23 Feb. 1692 • II. Margaret- b. 5 Nov. 1694, m. 18 Dec. 1718 Nathaniel Heard • 6III. JAMES- b. 8 June 1698, m. MARY (10) GOODWIN (b. 18 Sept. 1699 • IV. Rachel- b. 26 Aug. 1700, d. 13 Sept. 1703 • V. Gilbert- b. 30 Apr. 1703, m. Abigail ______, will 1755 • VI. John- b. 16 Dec. 1705, m. Mary Heard, will Jan. 1769 Ref: (1) York Co. Deeds- Vol.20, p.151 Genealogical Dictionary of Maine & New Hampshire- p.721 6III. JAMES (JAMES 1, JAMES 2) b. 8 June 1698 m. MARY GOODWIN (b. 18 Sept. 1699 Berwick, ME) Issue- • I. Sarah- m. Moses Stevens of Somersworth • II. Benjamin- b. 27 July 1723, m.1. Mercy Nock, 2. Mehitable Smith • III. Elizabeth- b. 30 May 1725, m.1. Joseph Goodwin, 2. Daniel Young Jr. • IV. Moses- m. 27 Nov. 1765 Mary Cooper, will 1802 • V. James- m. 6 Aug. 1756 Elizabeth Hasty • VI. Samuel- int. 29 June 1765 Mary Andros • VII. Chadbourne- m. Jane Nason? • 7VIII. WILLIAM- m. ESTHER WEYMOUTH • IX. Martha- d. 27 Oct. 1771 • X. Mary- m. John Field Ref: Old Kittery and Her Families- Stackpole, p.786 7VIII. WILLIAM (JAMES 1, JAMES 2, JAMES 3) m. ESTHER WEYMOUTH Issue- • I. Sarah- bpt. 11 Nov. 1755, m. Nathan Goodwin, d. 23 July 1795 • 8II. MARY- bpt. 13 Oct. 1756, m. 2 Dec. 1773 DANIEL (4) COOPER (bpt. 25 May 1749 Kittery, m.2. 4 Dec. 1791 Susanna Parsons (bpt. 4 Mar. 1773 Berwick)) • III. Esther- bpt. 11 June 1758, d.s.p. • IV. Eunice- bpt. 25 May 1760, d.s.p. • V. William- bpt. 20 June 1762, m. Sarah Thompson • VI. Benjamin- bpt. 19 May 1765 • VII. Esther- bpt. 18 Sept. 1768, m. 5 Jan. 1784 Stephen Stackpole of Somersworth • VIII. John- bpt. 4 Feb. 1771, m. 28 Feb. 1793 Elizabeth Goodwin • IX. Eunice- bpt. 3 July 1774, m. 16 July 1789 Moses Goodwin Ref: Old Kittery and Her Families- Stackpole, p.788 Return to Home Page -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Norma Kirchhofer Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WARREN] Address update....James Warren Descendants Maine May I ask does your line go back to Scotland in 1610 if so did the DNA prove it back to there. Thanks Norma ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >From: "Val" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [WARREN] Address update....James Warren Descendants Maine >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 19:54:53 -0700 > >I posted this last year and have new email address [email protected] . >I was able to locate a direct male descendant of James Warren of Maine who >did the DNA testing which proved a match to my uncle..as I had long >suspected we are descended from this line. > > > >Valerie Austin > > > > > > > >Subject: James Warren Descendants Maine 1600's >Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:19:36 -0800 > > >I'm trying to locate living male Warren direct descendants of James >Warren or Henry B. Warren, son of Adriel Warren, descendant of James >Warren of Maine who have family information and/or would join the Warren >Project through Family Tree DNA. > >I've been researching my Warren line for over 20 years and believe we >are related to the Adriel Warren line. My mother was Georgia Helen >Warren, born in Salina KS in 1919, dau of George Henry Warren b. Kansas >1892, son of David Alexander Warren b. Iowa 1864, son of George Henry >Warren b. 1834 Erie Co PA, son of Peletiah Morrell Warren b. ca 1786 >Maine, son (I believe) of Adriel Warren b. 1752 in Maine. > >I believe that Henry B. Warren, born Cazenovia in 1803, (son of Adriel >Warren), is the younger brother of Peletiah Morrell Warren. I have been >trying to locate any concrete evidence of the connection between Henry >and Peletiah and their four sisters whose names are unknown to me. > > >From review of information known about Adriel Warren, it is unknown > >where he was after the 1800 census in Herkimer, NY, where he is shown > >with a son and four daughters. He seems to have disappeared as no one > >that I'm aware of has documented him anywhere after this 1800 census. > >However, I believe I have located him in the 1840 census in Ohio with > >his son Peletiah. > >I believe that Adriel is the father of my Peletiah Morrell Warren. I >have not been able to locate Peletiah or Adriel in an 1810 census >anywhere in the U.S. (so obviously names must have been misspelled or >ommited). Peletiah was old enough to be on his own but I have not been >able to locate him in the 1810 census. He married in 1813 to Betsey >Benson in Onondaga Co NY and they lived there until at least 1823 when >daughter Ann Sophia Warren was born, (with 3 other children born in >Onondaga prior to that). I have noted in my research that Henry B. >Warren remembered living in Onondaga at some time in his life before >leaving home. > >In the 1820 census for Onondaga, Pompey, Peletiah M Warren is >shown,200110101. The 2 males to age 10 would be Adriel Monroe and >William Peletiah. The 1 male 16-26 COULD BE Henry B. Warren age 17 at >the time. (Note earlier reference that Henry B. stated he had lived in >Onondaga) The 1 male 26-45 would be Peletiah Warren. > >The 1 female to age 10 would be Polly Arestine. >The 1 female 16-26 is Betsey Benson Warren. > >Thus far, no one that I know of has been able to locate Adriel Warren in >the 1810, 1820 or 1830 census. I don't have the answer to this. But in >1840, Wayne Co Ohio, Baughman TWP Peletiah Warren appears. We know that >he left Onondaga and was on the move after 1823 as he and wife had dau >Jane Marie in Pembroke, NY in 1825 and Julia Lorett born in 1831 in >Pembroke, Genesee County. > >In 1831, Temandra Thirza was born in Springfield, Erie, PA and in 1834 >George Henry Warren (my gg grandfather) was born in Erie Co PA. > >In 1838, Loren Lonza was born in Wayne Co, OH. > >In 1840, Peletiah Warren is found in the Census for Wayne Co, Baughman >Twp. There is a male age 80-90 in the HH with his family. I believe >this to be Peletiah's father Adriel Warren, who was born in 1752. > >For the 1850 census, I have found no record of either Peletiah or >Adriel, but by 1860, Peletiah's wife Betsey is in Iowa with her daughter >and son-in-law (Sayles) in Henry Co Iowa. My gg grandfather, George >Henry Warren, is in the same town living with another (Sayles) >household. > >I recently asked my uncle, age 93, and our last surviving male Warren, >to do the DNA testing through Family Tree DNA. There are currently 30 >members in the Warren DNA Project. This link will take you to the home >page http://www.familytreedna.com/. This link will take you to the >Warren Project page http://www.familytreedna.com/public/warren/. > >My uncle's results are shown under Peletiah Morrell Warren...currently >after 25 markers, we do not have a match with anyone. I would very much >like to locate male direct descendants of Henry B. Warren (or James >Warren line) who would join this project and do the DNA testing. > >My mother passed away in 1982. Her brother age 93, and her two sisters >in their 80's are all alive and live in Kansas. It would mean a lot to >me after so many years...to be able to tell my uncle and two aunts where >their Warren roots started from. > >Appreciate any replies or leads on this line. > > >Valerie Austin > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. 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