If anybody has any Lovell Warrens (I have a sprinkling through the generations), I have a possible origin. William Warren (born 1703) married Mary Lovel on 4th May 1724. They named their second son Lovell Warren (born 1726). This Lovell clearly died as the called their fifth son Lovell as well (born 1734) Rick -------------- Rick Edmondson rick@hunter.co.uk