Partrick, Thank you for the response. My interest in James Hanks is due to some claims about the structure of the Hanks families that were in Montgomery Co, Ky. There seems to have been 2 Hanks family groups. One of them is my family of Peter Hanks and his sons Peter, William & John. The other Hankses in Montgomery Co., Ky are said to be children of Abraham Hanks & Sarah Harper. It is claimed that Nancy Hanks, mother of Abraham Lincoln was among the children of Abraham & Sarah. James Hanks comes into the picture as follows. It is claimed that the youngest child Abraham Hanks & Sarah Harper was Sarah Hanks. It is known that she had two children that had the last name Hanks. This is explained by stating that she was first married to a cousin James Hanks that never returned from the War of 1812. There are a number of issues about this that are hard to explain. The marriage is stated as speculation and not fact and the marriage records of that period were destroyed by fire. Sarah marri! ed again(?) in 1814 to Andrew Varvell and in later years she filed for a pension based on his War of 1812 service. James Hanks never shows up in any Montgomery Co, Ky records. There is also a tradition of a James Hanks that was a long hunter. If that is correct, it may explain why he is so elusive in the records. The question of Sarah & James is only one of several issues about the Hanks family of Montgomery Co, Ky that are difficult to explain. There was also a family tradition in the Edgar Co, IL Hanks family that a Hanks cousin never returned from the War of 1812. The implication is that the tradition is based on James Hanks but I think that it may be explained by the fact that Peter Hanks (the younger of the 2 mentioned above) was also at the Battle of Tippecanoe and died there on Nov.7, 1811. He was in Lieut. Berry's Detachment of Riflemen (Indiana Militia) The relationship between my family and the Abraham Hanks family is not clear, but I do know for a fact that they are related to some degree. The Hanks family has started a DNA project and there is a match between myself and a descendant of the other group. As for Indian fighters I think my Hanks family fits the bill. I know that Peter Hanks was in western PA during and after the Revolution and was enlisted in the PA miltia during that time. His son John Hanks was interviewed in the 1830's by Rev. Dabney Shane and that interview is preserved in the Draper manuscripts. The interview was edited by Harry G. Enoch and published in the Register of the Kentucky Historical Society (Vol.92, No.2 pp131-148). From that we know that they were at Fort Wheeling at the time of Hamilton's Proclamation and the Seige of Wheeling in 1777. By 1786 they were at Maysville, Ky which was the same time Daniel Boone was there. In 1789 Peter Hanks Sr and son William were at a sight that would become Morgans Station near present day Mt. Sterling. By the time Montgomery Co was formed in 1797, tax lists show Peter Sr, Peter Jr, William & John. As stated before, Peter Jr died at Tippecanoe. His widow recieved a pension and referred to him as Peter Hanks! of Harrison Co, I.T. Later Indiana miltia rolls show various records that include William, Wyatt and Peter Hanks. Wyatt Hanks was the oldest son of Peter Jr., William was his brother and this other Peter was the oldest son of William. William Hanks & Peter Sr were living in Gibson Co, IN by 1813. John Hanks stayed in KY. The widow of Peter Jr remarried, her and her children moved to Texas where sons Wyatt and Horatio were active in the Texas Revolution. There is less clarity on the Hanks names that show up in the Kentucky militia records. Peter Hanks Sr also had a son Samuel that may be the one in the Ky records. The same can be said of John Hanks in the Ky records although there were several Johns. The mystery of James Hanks will probably remain just that, but I have a hard time accepting that he was the 1st husband of Sarah Hanks. Ron Hanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:45 PM Subject: Re: Kentucky Militia- Fredrick Guiger's Co. of Mounted Riflemen Ron, Here are some thoughts for your search. There are lots of reasons why James may not show in the 1810 census. Too young? Off somewhere else possibly with the Regiment you are looking for? Maybe off trying to establish his own fortune?? In any event there is a James Hanks in Hardin County Kentucky in the 1820 census. Hardin and Jefferson Counties actually had a number of miles of adjoining borders in 1800 and 1810 more than they did in 1820. I don't have a clue how far apart Fleetwood and James may have been living from each other if these two were related. Its also interesting to note that Jefferson County Kentucky was formed from Kentucky County Virginia in 1780, so who knows there may be connections with the Virginia Hanks. The Battle of Tippecanoe was Nov. 7 1811, and even though this Regiment and its soldiers are listed in " Kentucky Soldiers of the War of 1812" the records for this militia will most likely be found in the Kentucky State or Indiana State Archives as War was not even declared by congress until June 1 1812. The Battle is considered in the Chronology of the War of 1812, but when it comes to Militia records in the National Archives, they are pretty much based on records of Militias that were sworn in to Federal service, and Dearborn put out the first call at the Declaration of War on the 18th of June, 1812. Indiana Archives ? That's were the action took place, plus note the word used "Kentucky volunteers". (I haven't been able to locate a reference to Militia) Governor of Indiana Territory William Henry Harrison had 1000 troops comprised of regulars, Indiana Militia, and Kentucky Volunteers. You might try google with some of the key words listed here, and elsewhere, plus Tenskwatawa, Shawnnee Prophet, Tecumseh, Vincennes, Potawatomi., Miami, Deleware chiefs, Fort Wayne, Fort Harrison, John Tyler. There is also the possibility of James Hanks having been in Indiana across the border from Jefferson County. In 1810 there were 4 very large counties in Indiana comprising about 35% of the state with the balance in Indian lands.( The Federal census for 1810 for Indiana for all Counties was lost) You have a good start with your data on the Company Commander. There are Kentucky County Histories for the following Counties; Jefferson, Hardin, Bullit, and Shelby. Indiana; Clark, Harrison, Dearborn, and Know. Kentucky is not an area of my search, or expertise, but I have found references to Kentucky soldiers interesting, due to the British having referred to them as devils and at best at the level of the Indians in their fighting and atrocities. Good Luck Patrick

Ron Thanks, that was an absolutely super story with some obvious hard and very good research work accomplished by you. I enjoyed the read as I'm sure the rest of the list did also. You have one of those mysteries that await some dormant yet to be found evidence. When I have seen them solved, it usually comes from a source least expected or unrelated. I have solved a number (none of them mine) and a good example of one was a couple years ago, and I'll relate the story. I had pulled out and recapped all the National Archives Revolutionary War pension records for a specific surname. A year or so later I happened on a query for the very early 1800's on a wife's name in Canada that rang a bell, and lo and behold here was a possibility of a relationship for their query. The query had been on the list for a number of years, and they probably had little hope of ever locating any information on her. The last place I would have looked, being them ,was in the United States Revolutionary War Pension files, as the husbands family were all United Empire Loyalists that had fled at the beginning of the war, and fought on the British side. Who would suspect that the wife was the daughter of a revolutionary war pensioner, and to top it all they had no idea of all the people that were buried on the family farm including the Revolutionary soldier, the father of the wife. So in the answer of a query with just luck that I had pulled all these other files, and the miracle that I had even remembered the information, one searcher moved back three or four generations, and became members of a rare group holding both UEL and DAR memberships. So your answers and mine are still out there just waiting to be discovered, and in the mean time make captivating reading. Patrick Cummings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Hanks" <ronhanks@earthlink.net> To: <WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Kentucky Militia- Fredrick Guiger's Co. of Mounted Riflemen > Partrick, > Thank you for the response. My interest in James Hanks is due to some claims about the structure of the Hanks families that were in Montgomery Co, Ky. There seems to have been 2 Hanks family groups. One of them is my family of Peter Hanks and his sons Peter, William & John. The other Hankses in Montgomery Co., Ky are said to be children of Abraham Hanks & Sarah Harper. It is claimed that Nancy Hanks, mother of Abraham Lincoln was among the children of Abraham & Sarah. James Hanks comes into the picture as follows. It is claimed that the youngest child Abraham Hanks & Sarah Harper was Sarah Hanks. It is known that she had two children that had the last name Hanks. This is explained by stating that she was first married to a cousin James Hanks that never returned from the War of 1812. There are a number of issues about this that are hard to explain. The marriage is stated as speculation and not fact and the marriage records of that period were destroyed by fire. Sarah marri! > ed again(?) in 1814 to Andrew Varvell and in later years she filed for a pension based on his War of 1812 service. James Hanks never shows up in any Montgomery Co, Ky records. > There is also a tradition of a James Hanks that was a long hunter. If that is correct, it may explain why he is so elusive in the records. The question of Sarah & James is only one of several issues about the Hanks family of Montgomery Co, Ky that are difficult to explain. There was also a family tradition in the Edgar Co, IL Hanks family that a Hanks cousin never returned from the War of 1812. The implication is that the tradition is based on James Hanks but I think that it may be explained by the fact that Peter Hanks (the younger of the 2 mentioned above) was also at the Battle of Tippecanoe and died there on Nov.7, 1811. He was in Lieut. Berry's Detachment of Riflemen (Indiana Militia) The relationship between my family and the Abraham Hanks family is not clear, but I do know for a fact that they are related to some degree. The Hanks family has started a DNA project and there is a match between myself and a descendant of the other group. > As for Indian fighters I think my Hanks family fits the bill. I know that Peter Hanks was in western PA during and after the Revolution and was enlisted in the PA miltia during that time. His son John Hanks was interviewed in the 1830's by Rev. Dabney Shane and that interview is preserved in the Draper manuscripts. The interview was edited by Harry G. Enoch and published in the Register of the Kentucky Historical Society (Vol.92, No.2 pp131-148). From that we know that they were at Fort Wheeling at the time of Hamilton's Proclamation and the Seige of Wheeling in 1777. By 1786 they were at Maysville, Ky which was the same time Daniel Boone was there. In 1789 Peter Hanks Sr and son William were at a sight that would become Morgans Station near present day Mt. Sterling. By the time Montgomery Co was formed in 1797, tax lists show Peter Sr, Peter Jr, William & John. As stated before, Peter Jr died at Tippecanoe. His widow recieved a pension and referred to him as Peter Hanks! > of Harrison Co, I.T. Later Indiana miltia rolls show various records that include William, Wyatt and Peter Hanks. Wyatt Hanks was the oldest son of Peter Jr., William was his brother and this other Peter was the oldest son of William. William Hanks & Peter Sr were living in Gibson Co, IN by 1813. John Hanks stayed in KY. The widow of Peter Jr remarried, her and her children moved to Texas where sons Wyatt and Horatio were active in the Texas Revolution. > There is less clarity on the Hanks names that show up in the Kentucky militia records. Peter Hanks Sr also had a son Samuel that may be the one in the Ky records. The same can be said of John Hanks in the Ky records although there were several Johns. > The mystery of James Hanks will probably remain just that, but I have a hard time accepting that he was the 1st husband of Sarah Hanks. > > Ron Hanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick > To: WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: Kentucky Militia- Fredrick Guiger's Co. of Mounted Riflemen > > > Ron, > Here are some thoughts for your search. There are lots of reasons why James > may not show in the 1810 census. Too young? Off somewhere else possibly with > the Regiment you are looking for? Maybe off trying to establish his own > fortune?? In any event there is a James Hanks in Hardin County Kentucky in > the 1820 census. Hardin and Jefferson Counties actually had a number of > miles of adjoining borders in 1800 and 1810 more than they did in 1820. I > don't have a clue how far apart Fleetwood and James may have been living > from each other if these two were related. Its also interesting to note that > Jefferson County Kentucky was formed from Kentucky County Virginia in 1780, > so who knows there may be connections with the Virginia Hanks. > The Battle of Tippecanoe was Nov. 7 1811, and even though this Regiment > and its soldiers are listed in " Kentucky Soldiers of the War of 1812" the > records for this militia will most likely be found in the Kentucky State or > Indiana State Archives as War was not even declared by congress until June 1 > 1812. The Battle is considered in the Chronology of the War of 1812, but > when it comes to Militia records in the National Archives, they are pretty > much based on records of Militias that were sworn in to Federal service, and > Dearborn put out the first call at the Declaration of War on the 18th of > June, 1812. > Indiana Archives ? That's were the action took place, plus note the word > used "Kentucky volunteers". (I haven't been able to locate a reference to > Militia) Governor of Indiana Territory William Henry Harrison had 1000 > troops comprised of regulars, Indiana Militia, and Kentucky Volunteers. You > might try google with some of the key words listed here, and elsewhere, plus > Tenskwatawa, Shawnnee Prophet, Tecumseh, Vincennes, Potawatomi., Miami, > Deleware chiefs, Fort Wayne, Fort Harrison, John Tyler. > There is also the possibility of James Hanks having been in Indiana across > the border from Jefferson County. In 1810 there were 4 very large counties > in Indiana comprising about 35% of the state with the balance in Indian > lands.( The Federal census for 1810 for Indiana for all Counties was lost) > You have a good start with your data on the Company Commander. There are > Kentucky County Histories for the following Counties; Jefferson, Hardin, > Bullit, and Shelby. Indiana; Clark, Harrison, Dearborn, and Know. > Kentucky is not an area of my search, or expertise, but I have found > references to Kentucky soldiers interesting, due to the British having > referred to them as devils and at best at the level of the Indians in their > fighting and atrocities. > Good Luck > Patrick > > > ==== WARof1812 Mailing List ==== > ADDRESS MESSAGES TO: > WARof1812-L@rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >